Blu-rays are 8 years old and DVDs still cling to them like a cancerous tumor. Why?

[Cevolution]

Being almost a decade into the life of Blu-ray, price is a very poor argument IMO. Blu-ray's are very cheap nowadays, in fact often they are cheaper than the DVD counterpart.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by DustnBones001

Well I do view my TV from a distance but I don't see how that can make much of a difference. Yes there have been some films that I have seen on BD that looked amazing and I can see the higher PQ but that has happened very few times in my home entertainment experience.

DVD looks just fine to me of course that will probably change when one day I invest in a bigger TV but for now it makes due. I still buy BD for new releases but since DVD's are so cheap nowadays especially used one's I can't help but stock up more on DVD over BD.

One possible reason could be the size of our living rooms? The USA tends to have much bigger rooms than the UK. Do you think that is fair comment? We tend to be no more than 7 feet away From our screens when watching on regular tv (sometimes 6 feet)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

Being almost a decade into the life of Blu-ray, price is a very poor argument IMO. Blu-ray's are very cheap nowadays, in fact often they are cheaper than the DVD counterpart.

The general population don't care about quality. We all know that now. Blu-ray was the last chance to show that wasn't the case. If it looks like crap people seem to jump all over it.

[Number 6]

Originally Posted by DustnBones001

Well I do view my TV from a distance but I don't see how that can make much of a difference. Yes there have been some films that I have seen on BD that looked amazing and I can see the higher PQ but that has happened very few times in my home entertainment experience.

DVD looks just fine to me of course that will probably change when one day I invest in a bigger TV but for now it makes due. I still buy BD for new releases but since DVD's are so cheap nowadays especially used one's I can't help but stock up more on DVD over BD.

I suggest you go to CarltonBale.com and learn about Distance vs. Resolution. As for picture quality the source material used will dictate how good it looks on Blu-ray or DVD.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by DustnBones001

If you enjoy BD and that is your format of choice so be it I hardly see how ppl preferring to buy DVD over BD would affect your enjoyment of the format..

But it does affect our enjoyment of blu-ray, if you think about it.
If all those people that preferred DVD actually bought into blu-ray, the success of blu-ray would be greater, and the studios would've put more time into getting catalog titles on blu-ray. We'd probably have titles like Team America, Solaris, Bad Boys II, True Lies, The Abyss...etc on blu-ray today.
The studios would've had more incentive to release everything.

So yes, the choices others make affect us

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

But it does affect our enjoyment of blu-ray, if you think about it.
If all those people that preferred DVD actually bought into blu-ray, the success of blu-ray would be greater, and the studios would've put more time into getting catalog titles on blu-ray. We'd probably have titles like Team America, Solaris, Bad Boys II, True Lies, The Abyss...etc on blu-ray today.
The studios would've had more incentive to release everything.

So yes, the choices others make affect us

I have argued this point over and over. Couldnt agree more.

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

Being almost a decade into the life of Blu-ray, price is a very poor argument IMO. Blu-ray's are very cheap nowadays, in fact often they are cheaper than the DVD counterpart.

DVDs are way more convenient. Just about anything you can plug into a wall has a DVD player whereas the way to watch a blu ray is via a standalone blu ray player or the three gaming consoles - PS3, PS4 and Xbox One.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

DVDs are way more convenient. Just about anything you can plug into a wall has a DVD player whereas the way to watch a blu ray is via a standalone blu ray player or the three gaming consoles - PS3, PS4 and Xbox One.

That's not relevant, my comment was purely about price, which another member currently involved in this conversion is trying to use as a valid reason, it had nothing to do with any other merits as to why DVD is still around.

However, in regards to other reasons why DVD is still hanging around like a bad smell , specifically the reason you gave, I don't disagree, in fact in my first post in this thread I was saying exactly that: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=121

[DustnBones001]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

But it does affect our enjoyment of blu-ray, if you think about it.
If all those people that preferred DVD actually bought into blu-ray, the success of blu-ray would be greater, and the studios would've put more time into getting catalog titles on blu-ray. We'd probably have titles like Team America, Solaris, Bad Boys II, True Lies, The Abyss...etc on blu-ray today.
The studios would've had more incentive to release everything.

So yes, the choices others make affect us

I hardly see how you can blame DVD buyers for the lack of catalog titles released on BD. That is just studios being lazy and would probably still happen even if DVD was obsolete. Not to mention some BD transfers are not that much better than the DVD one. Studios are just lazy when it comes to releases of older movies on BD and that is not the fault of DVD buyers put the blame where it belongs.

Anywho the choices of others have no effect on you unless you allow it to affect you. If you prefer BD and always buy the BD over the DVD what is the problem? Stick with what works for you and let others choose which format they prefer.

[DustnBones001]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

Being almost a decade into the life of Blu-ray, price is a very poor argument IMO. Blu-ray's are very cheap nowadays, in fact often they are cheaper than the DVD counterpart.

Not true most BD's especially new releases can cost up to $5 or even $10 more than the DVD counterpart. This may not seem like a big deal unless you buy a lot of new release titles which then can add up quickly. Of course you can argue you get more value with the BD combo pack but if the ppl that buy the film just want the film only than the DVD dues them just fine.

[DustnBones001]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

One possible reason could be the size of our living rooms? The USA tends to have much bigger rooms than the UK. Do you think that is fair comment? We tend to be no more than 7 feet away From our screens when watching on regular tv (sometimes 6 feet)

I think that is a fair comment and my living room is pretty decent sized so I guess that has a lot to do with it. I just honestly can not tell the difference from DVD/BD most of the time. Maybe its my TV idk but honestly when I am watching a DVD on my 40" it looks just fine.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by DustnBones001

I hardly see how you can blame DVD buyers for the lack of catalog titles released on BD. That is just studios being lazy and would probably still happen even if DVD was obsolete. Not to mention some BD transfers are not that much better than the DVD one. Studios are just lazy when it comes to releases of older movies on BD and that is not the fault of DVD buyers put the blame where it belongs.

Anywho the choices of others have no effect on you unless you allow it to affect you. If you prefer BD and always buy the BD over the DVD what is the problem? Stick with what works for you and let others choose which format they prefer.

Of course I agree with you, those other people's choices don't effect me.... personally.
But their collective choice do effect me (and you, and everyone) indirectly.
Consumers habits do indeed determine what manufacturers make.
If, hypothetically, 90% of humans bought their favorite TV and films on blu-ray, then, yes, I believe we'd see more blu-ray. More cars with blu-ray players. Less DVD only players in stores. More titles on blu-ray.

Imagine the 55% (or whatever the numb is) of DVD sales were all blu-ray sales? That'd mean "blu-ray was moving off shelves". I would think that many of the catalog titles missing from blu-ray today, wouldn't be

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by DustnBones001

Not true most BD's especially new releases can cost up to $5 or even $10 more than the DVD counterpart. This may not seem like a big deal unless you buy a lot of new release titles which then can add up quickly. Of course you can argue you get more value with the BD combo pack but if the ppl that buy the film just want the film only than the DVD dues them just fine.

I've got more experience buying Blu-ray's than you, clearly, and I am telling you that you are wrong with regard to it being "most BD's". New releases don't account for a large percentage of the overall Blu-ray catalogue. Catalogue Blu-ray titles can regularly be found cheaper than the DVD equivalent, new releases sometimes as well.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

DVDs are way more convenient. Just about anything you can plug into a wall has a DVD player whereas the way to watch a blu ray is via a standalone blu ray player or the three gaming consoles - PS3, PS4 and Xbox One.

This doesn't make that much sense.

About the only exceptions that I can think of are portable DVD players/DVD players inside of van/cars, etc. There haven't been as many portable BD players made. This may also, to an extent, hold true for disc drives on computers. Even though some have BD drives, BD never really took off for computer usage, so it's probably common to just have DVD drives on a lot of computers (or no optical disc drive at all).

Aside from that, it really comes down to stand alone players and game systems. Sure, there are more game systems that play DVDs than BDs, but only because DVD has been around longer, so some older systems play them that don't play BDs, while the newer systems play both.

But none the less, the point is that you act like there is this plethora of non-stand alone devices that play DVDs and not BDs, and aside from the examples listed here, I'm hard pressed to think of any.

And in regards to the above examples, I don't know how many people who have a TV in their homes are opting to watch movies on their computers, unless it's on a laptop when away from home... and as far as portable players go, I would think these days if someone needs to keep their kids entertained while in the car, a phone or tablet with a digital copy (whether bought on it's own or something they got free with the purchase of a DVD or BD) would be more convenient. Plus most kids movies tend to come in BD/DVD/Digital combo packs anyway, so regardless of whether a DVD or Digital Copy would be more convenient, they would get both of those options when choosing BD anyway... but in many cases still don't.

It's probably more like people who eventually got the point of having DVD players in many rooms of their home were probably hesitant to upgrade them all to BD players than anything. But it's not like most people are overly reliant on some other type(s) of non-stand alone device that play DVDs but doesn't have a newer BD equivelant option, or that Blu-Ray players are these mysterious, rare, hard to find devices that require significant, incredible effort to obtain.

[DustnBones001]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

I've got more experience buying Blu-ray's than you, clearly, and I am telling you that you are wrong with regard to it being "most BD's". New releases don't account for a large percentage of the overall Blu-ray catalogue. Catalogue Blu-ray titles can regularly be found cheaper than the DVD equivalent, new releases sometimes as well.

I have some experience as well and most retail stores I shop at most new release BD titles do cost $5 or even close to $10 more than the DVD. Even older films on BD I find usually are the same price as dvd or a lil more. You can find cheaper BD's with online retailers but as far as in stores BD is much more pricey than DVD.

Either way the point I was trying to make is that most consumers that wanna own a film especially a new release will probably get the DVD since it is much cheaper than the BD especially if they are buying a lot of new release titles. That extra $5 more adds up quickly.

[DustnBones001]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

Of course I agree with you, those other people's choices don't effect me.... personally.
But their collective choice do effect me (and you, and everyone) indirectly.
Consumers habits do indeed determine what manufacturers make.
If, hypothetically, 90% of humans bought their favorite TV and films on blu-ray, then, yes, I believe we'd see more blu-ray. More cars with blu-ray players. Less DVD only players in stores. More titles on blu-ray.

Imagine the 55% (or whatever the numb is) of DVD sales were all blu-ray sales? That'd mean "blu-ray was moving off shelves". I would think that many of the catalog titles missing from blu-ray today, wouldn't be

You make some good points for the most part consumer choices do at times dictate the market. But as for the case of DVD/BD I don't see how it is a bad thing that these formats are existing together just fine. You say it's because the lack of older films being released on BD but once again that is the fault with the studios and also with there strong push to push consumers to Digital.

My thing is I am just happy to see that in 2015 there is a strong demand in the market for physical formats. This is really important as it seems each year streaming gets more popular. I don't mind streaming but I dread the day that Digital totally takes over.

I get what you are saying tho I don't see how hard it can be for studios to release older films on BD. I guess they are just to cheap and lazy to do it. And I honestly believe this would still be happening even if DVD was no more I believe the studios are that lazy.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by DustnBones001

I have some experience as well and most retail stores I shop at most new release BD titles do cost $5 or even close to $10 more than the DVD. Even older films on BD I find usually are the same price as dvd or a lil more. You can find cheaper BD's with online retailers but as far as in stores BD is much more pricey than DVD.

Perhaps you are not a very good shopper . Considering many people on here from all over the world (U.S included) find plenty of bargains in retail stores, not just online (which is well documented), indicates that this maybe the case, as you appear to be the odd one out. IMO you are out touch, and as usual with those who still choose to stick with DVD's for many of their purchases, also over exaggerate the difference in cost between the formats for your own agenda. There is a big world out there, domestic online stores are not terribly fantastic here in Australia (we don't have anything like Amazon), most sales you see online are identical in store, and often Blu-ray's are cheaper than the DVD counterpart at shop front as they are online.

Originally Posted by DustnBones001

Either way the point I was trying to make is that most consumers that wanna own a film especially a new release will probably get the DVD since it is much cheaper than the BD especially if they are buying a lot of new release titles. That extra $5 more adds up quickly.

You keep focusing on new release titles, as I said previously, these only make up a small amount of the Blu-ray catalogue, so trying use them as an example hardly constitutes a valid point as far as I'm concerned. Besides, if you are paying new release prices for DVD's, this is a bit moronic, and certainly doesn't fit the perception you have given of yourself that you are an extremely frugal individual, where every dollar counts and is why you still buy DVD's. If you or the masses are willing to pay new release prices for DVD's then this doesn't make a lot of sense from where I stand, and doesn't exactly say too me that price is the issue when it comes to Blu-ray's, because if you waited several months you could purchase 3 or so Blu-ray's for the price of a new release DVD. You don't need to buy titles as soon as they are released, many here are patient, and wait a little while before purchasing, and as a result get plenty of recently released Blu-ray's for very cheap. Like I said, for many many titles, the Blu-ray can be had for the same price or cheaper than the DVD (you are not going change my view on this), therefore for someone like yourself who is a member of this site, dedicated to Blu-ray enthusiasts, there is really no excuse IMO. For those titles where the Blu-ray is more expensive by a few dollars, your definition of "much cheaper" is certainly different to mine, and is mind boggling too me. Obviously you don't consider the future, you may have a 40 inch tv now, but in 5 years you may have a bigger screen, and those DVD's will look like sh*t. Not to mention, Blu-ray's should last you many more years, particularly if you have young kids (or grandkids) or are simply careless, due to the scratch resistant coating. You may think you are saving a couple of dollars here and there, but the way I see it in reality you are the one who is losing out and wasting your money.

[dublinbluray108]

I don't see the value of buying a new release DVD now because I don't see the value in the format at this late stage in it's life. IMO I would purchase a Blu-ray because overtime it would become steadily cheaper to obtain than the DVD and it will have more value as time passes on (i.e. a futureproofed purchase) if it was a recent release on BD.

I will buy new DVD's only if there is no release of a title on BD. The DVD's I purchase would be from shows of comic book heroes like Batman, Spiderman and Superman. Although some of my recent purchases I have made were on BD just based on pure luck. I bought a Marvel BD which has a pair of animated movies from The Avengers on it in Dublin recently. I had picked that up at Tower Records because it only cost me €10 and I couldn't pass on an opportunity to pick it up there in front of me.

I even bought a BD called The Titfield Thunderbolt which is an old British movie I had watched on BBC Four HD during the Easter Bank Holiday Weekend. It was expensive to buy at €20. Again I couldn't pass the opportunity to leave it because I thoroughly enjoyed the movie as it's part of another hobby of mine and that is being interested in railways.

Other DVD's I would buy now are shows from my younger childhood like Saved by the Bell, Animaniacs, Tiny Toon Adventures and Earthworm Jim to put up a few examples.

All I'm saying is that format doesn't matter as long as it's a modern physical format like DVD or BD. I have UV too but my capabilities in that are extremely limited because of my small broadband connection and my lack of affordability in getting a higher speed one. I only use UV if any of my friends or family have high speed broadband in their home or when I go on a holiday in my own time. Those occasions are rare in itself btw.

I am still grateful that physical is still around for ourselves to enjoy for many years to come. I love owning things rather than renting them because simply put renting is just a pure waste of money to do that for film and TV now.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by DustnBones001

I joined because I wanted to? I am not against anyone here or any blu ray fans but this thread is ridiculous. We should be happy that physical formats are still selling well and Digital is not any closer to being the dominant format.

wrong.

besides people like us physical media almost has a negative connotation now.. kinda like CDS do to most.

i heard on 2 podcasts last week proclaiming "physical media is dying".. one was even on the AMC movie talk

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

This doesn't make that much sense.

About the only exceptions that I can think of are portable DVD players/DVD players inside of van/cars, etc. There haven't been as many portable BD players made. This may also, to an extent, hold true for disc drives on computers. Even though some have BD drives, BD never really took off for computer usage, so it's probably common to just have DVD drives on a lot of computers (or no optical disc drive at all).

But none the less, the point is that you act like there is this plethora of non-stand alone devices that play DVDs and not BDs, and aside from the examples listed here, I'm hard pressed to think of any.

And in regards to the above examples, I don't know how many people who have a TV in their homes are opting to watch movies on their computers, unless it's on a laptop when away from home... and as far as portable players go, I would think these days if someone needs to keep their kids entertained while in the car, a phone or tablet with a digital copy (whether bought on it's own or something they got free with the purchase of a DVD or BD) would be more convenient. Plus most kids movies tend to come in BD/DVD/Digital combo packs anyway, so regardless of whether a DVD or Digital Copy would be more convenient, they would get both of those options when choosing BD anyway... but in many cases still don't.

It's probably more like people who eventually got the point of having DVD players in many rooms of their home were probably hesitant to upgrade them all to BD players than anything. But it's not like most people are overly reliant on some other type(s) of non-stand alone device that play DVDs but doesn't have a newer BD equivelant option, or that Blu-Ray players are these mysterious, rare, hard to find devices that require significant, incredible effort to obtain.

It makes plenty of sense if you don't look a little more objective and not so much overly blu ray friendly perspective, which is a problem on this forum.

First of all, you could play DVDs on any, and I mean ANY newer model PC/laptop you bought in a store since the turn of the century. Yet here we are in 2015, 9 years after the release of the blu ray format and can you do the same for blu ray?

I once bought a cheap surround system and it had a built-in DVD player in it. I didn't even know it until I opened it, I only bought it so that I could have speakers around my room. There is just so much stuff with built in DVD players in it than there is with blu ray. Computers, gaming consoles, surround sound systems, TVs with built in DVD players, projectors with built in DVD players, some of them even kids toys:



Maybe there are also appliances or prototypes of appliances with built in blu ray players in them, but they sure as hell don't sell them as much in stores. Why? Because there's no market for it. If there was, they would be here 9 years into the lifespan of the format.

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Aside from that, it really comes down to stand alone players and game systems. Sure, there are more game systems that play DVDs than BDs, but only because DVD has been around longer, so some older systems play them that don't play BDs, while the newer systems play both.

Well duh, the fact that DVD has been around longer IS one of the biggest reasons for its success. Are you trying to say that this somehow doesn't count?

What to you mean "Sure, but..."?? Of course the fact that DVDs have been around way longer is one of the main reasons for their success and you just want to ignore this aspect with a "Sure, but...". That would be like me saying: Sure there are plenty of affordable blu ray players around, but that's only if you count the ones that don't cost a lot. It doesn't make any sense. Any kid with the relatively affordable PlayStation 2 could play DVDs since 2000, but somehow you want to completely overlook this when someone tries to explain to you why DVDs are more successful.