Because Blu-Ray will "obviously" be replaced rapidly by streaming only...

[laie_techie]

I buy physical media, then rip the content to my media server at a higher bitrate (and DRM free!) than what is available for legal download. I have gigabit network at home, so I can stream it w/o worrying about bandwidth. I'm also not at a loss when my internet connection goes down.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Anthony, people don't watch stuff together now, let alone the future. Sports is the exception to that. Since tablets came out couples are not watching the same thing. Why watch a soap with wife when a guy could power up his tablet and watch something he likes with headphones? Same with smartphones. As for kids I wager that they won't even think about watching at the same time as parents.

I'm sorry but I don't know ANYONE that does that and I mean ANY of my friends and family or extended acquaintances. unless they're in the car or at the gym ALL media watching is done on the big screen with family, or friends. phones and tablets literally are used for nothing but youtube and the occasional family guy ep.

[mywhitenoise]

Originally Posted by wormraper

I'm sorry but I don't know ANYONE that does that and I mean ANY of my friends and family or extended acquaintances. unless they're in the car or at the gym ALL media watching is done on the big screen with family, or friends. phones and tablets literally are used for nothing but youtube and the occasional family guy ep.

well I'll back up Steedeel and say I don't really know anyone that watches films, or movies together either. My girlfriend and I usually watch things together, but often enough I'm out of the room if she's watching Downton Abbey, and she's out of the room if I'm playing an album.

[AutomaticDriver]

Originally Posted by mywhitenoise

Sure, at the moment...until you realize you're one of the last to hold on to physical media, while everyone else will own the same collection x thousands more in a convenient package that isn't holding up space in their living room. Quality will meet the same standards very soon.

http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/25/h265-is-approved/

What does that have to do with anything?

[mywhitenoise]

Originally Posted by 3DForLife

What does that have to do with anything?

Everything. Why hold on to an inferior product, when a digital library that outmatches your physical collection is available, when you can achieve (not yet, but in the very near future) the same quality through streaming, when you can already achieve the same quality with DRM free downloadable .isos, with internet speeds reaching 1Gbps thanks to Google Fiber, and codecs that require less bandwidth and can offer 4k resolution like .h265? My response is to a person who said he will "never" choose digital over physical media. Resistance holds back evolution, science, and progression...and neither of those pause for resistance.

[Steedeel]

They probably said that about music downloads. That was not progress just convenience. I would rather have the quality.

[ps3bd_owner]

Originally Posted by joliefan

The feeling you get when you hold a brand new blu ray you just brought is amazing you don't get that when streaming

There's films which I'll never buy them and for that, I use the streaming services because for the price of one I can watch as many as I want.

Still, the quality ones I will eventually purchase but they have to wait because as of now I don't have my PS3 (Blu-ray Player) at the moment so it'd be pointless.

By the way, what does The Sitter and 30 Minutes Or Less have in common? They're both films about getting a high amount of money in a short time. They're watchable for once and whatnot, though, I wouldn't buy them.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by mywhitenoise

Everything. Why hold on to an inferior product, when a digital library that outmatches your physical collection is available, when you can achieve (not yet, but in the very near future) the same quality through streaming, when you can already achieve the same quality with DRM free downloadable .isos, with internet speeds reaching 1Gbps thanks to Google Fiber, and codecs that require less bandwidth and can offer 4k resolution like .h265? My response is to a person who said he will "never" choose digital over physical media. Resistance holds back evolution, science, and progression...and neither of those pause for resistance.

riiiiiiiiiiiiiight, drm free and the studios???? not a chance in hell. streaming will be just that... streaming at the whims of the studios. allowing DRM free ISO's out there on the market is a pipe dream

[mywhitenoise]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

They probably said that about music downloads. That was not progress just convenience. I would rather have the quality.

Are you trying to prove me right? haha!

If you think digital music is any less quality than a CD, then you are obviously not paying attention to what's happening online. FLACs, and other lossless formats, are extremely popular. You can also download hi-resolution albums that have a better fidelity than CDs.

https://www.hdtracks.com/

[mywhitenoise]

Originally Posted by wormraper

riiiiiiiiiiiiiight, drm free and the studios???? not a chance in hell. streaming will be just that... streaming at the whims of the studios. allowing DRM free ISO's out there on the market is a pipe dream

Why is it a pipe dream, just because the studios are stubborn? Eventually they're going to give in and try to make a buck somehow (that is, without suing). Nobody thought iTunes would offer DRM free music, but here we are in 2013 with DRM free music.

[Cevolution]

Hypothetical, if physical media does eventually disapear and everything becomes streaming only, then the people who are buying up physical media now are the smart ones, as those who do will be the only ones that truly have 100% guaranteed ownership over their libraries/collections.

[Steedeel]

With no TV to watch them on!

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

With no TV to watch them on!

You are a bit extreme with your views there. You need to be realistic, that's not going to happen, tv's aren't going anywhere, and honestly it's a little silly to think that they will become obselete.

[mywhitenoise]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

Hypothetical, if physical media does eventually disapear and everything becomes streaming only, then the people who are buying up physical media now are the smart ones, as those who do will be the only ones that truly have 100% guaranteed ownership over their libraries/collections.

Technically you don't "own" your physical media...which is why there's a $250,000 fine/5 years jail, if you distribute a copy (even without monetary gain). Streaming is half of the future, the other half is "owning" digital media that stays on your hard drive. With Google Fiber already out (1 Gbps), and disk storage growing (while also becoming cheaper), you will be able to download and store thousands of high quality videos very soon. I already have about 100 1080p rips on a 3TB drive.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by mywhitenoise

Technically you don't "own" your physical media...which is why there's a $250,000 fine/5 years jail, if you distribute a copy (even without monetary gain). Streaming is half of the future, the other half is "owning" digital media that stays on your hard drive. With Google Fiber already out (1 Gbps), and disk storage growing (while also becoming cheaper), you will be able to download and store thousands of high quality videos very soon. I already have about 100 1080p rips on a 3TB drive.

Wrong, if I bought the movie, I own the physical media.

[Steedeel]

[QUOTE=Cevolution;7068350]You are a bit extreme with your views there. You need to be realistic, that's not going to happen, tv's aren't going anywhere, and honestly it's a little silly to think that they will become obselete.[/

We shall see. I hope beyond hope I am wrong.

[Steedeel]

Collectors will never be happy with streaming. Get used to it fanboys. If forced into streaming world, rentals will rule. No value in digital downloads.

[mywhitenoise]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Wrong, if I bought the movie, I own the physical media.

No, you don't. You don't own it, just like you don't "own" your cell phone, just like you don't "own" a house, or "own" a video game. You purchased a license, ownership implies you can do whatever you want with it...which is not the case. It's now illegal to jailbreak your smartphones, it's illegal to paint your house a certain color if it does not meet community guidelines, and soon enough it will be illegal to make back up copies of your physical Blu-rays. It's incredible how many people are pridefully ignorant, it's incredible how many back up laws that do not have your best interest at heart.

[Spitfrnd]

Originally Posted by mywhitenoise

No, you don't. You don't own it, just like you don't "own" your cell phone, just like you don't "own" a house, or "own" a video game. You purchased a license, ownership implies you can do whatever you want with it...which is not the case. It's now illegal to jailbreak your smartphones, it's illegal to paint your house a certain color if it does not meet community guidelines, and soon enough it will be illegal to make back up copies of your physical Blu-rays. It's incredible how many people are pridefully ignorant, it's incredible how many back up laws that do not have your best interest at heart.

Actually that is not correct. We do own our physical media just as we own houses. The restrictions you cite are no different than laws that restrict our conduct in various ways and have nothing to do with ownership. Also some of those examples you cite, like house color, are very locale specific, some communities have these restrictions, many do not.

All of this is interesting but where is the evidence to suggest that downloaded video content will match physical media quality in the near future? When it does, like any other media, it will likely take many years for it to become the standard. Blu-ray is still not the standard for example since so much content continues to be unavailable on it.

[mywhitenoise]

Originally Posted by Spitfrnd

Actually that is not correct. We do own our physical media just as we own houses. The restrictions you cite are no different than laws that restrict our conduct in various ways and have nothing to do with ownership. Also some of those examples you cite, like house color, are very locale specific, some communities have these restrictions, many do not.

All of this is interesting but where is the evidence to suggest that downloaded video content will match physical media quality in the near future? When it does, like any other media, it will likely take many years for it to become the standard. Blu-ray is still not the standard for example since so much content continues to be unavailable on it.

I guess you and I have a very different take on the word "ownership". It reminds me of this quote...

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe


As for matching physical media quality, I think I posted earlier about the upcoming .h265 codec. It will offer 4k resolution while using far lass bendwidth. How I interpret that is "crappy 4k resolution, with the ability to stream acceptable 1080p content". That's just streaming quality, you can already match visually if you download high quality 1080p mkvs. Now, the ones I've downloaded were illegal, I'm sure there are legal encodes that look nearly identical to it's blu-ray, but I haven't seen a huge market for it yet. My point is, legal or not, it is possible to do these things right now. The market just needs to adapt.