Because Blu-Ray will "obviously" be replaced rapidly by streaming only...

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by mywhitenoise

Technically you don't "own" your physical media...which is why there's a $250,000 fine/5 years jail, if you distribute a copy (even without monetary gain).

no you DO own your physical media you don't own the digital copy that is on the physical media and so you can't do anything but leave it there. You can sell that physical media and the digital film goes with it, you can take that physical media and play frisbee or turn it into a dress. You can dop what you want with the media, but not the content on it.

Streaming is half of the future, the other half is "owning" digital media that stays on your hard drive.

you will never own it. but I guess that is why you put owning in quotation marks since you alkready know that. I cantake my BD (or DVD and play it in my sisters BD player, my dads BD player, my friends BD player, my neighbours BD player. I can go outside knock on doors until I find 10, 100 oer 1000.... people with BD players that let me in to play the disk and I can do that because I own it. Now with how many people can I do that that have a player that can ply my legal copy of a film?

With Google Fiber already out (1 Gbps), and disk storage growing (while also becoming cheaper), you will be able to download and store thousands of high quality videos very soon. I already have about 100 1080p rips on a 3TB drive.

yes but I have over 1000 BDs (and some are TV seasons so multiple disks) and 3000 DVDs and there is no reason to buy into a new format until there is 4k. So 3TB might not sound like a big deal but 100 films is nothing and 1080p is yesterday’s tech.

[ack_bak]

Originally Posted by mywhitenoise

Everything. Why hold on to an inferior product, when a digital library that outmatches your physical collection is available, when you can achieve (not yet, but in the very near future) the same quality through streaming, when you can already achieve the same quality with DRM free downloadable .isos, with internet speeds reaching 1Gbps thanks to Google Fiber, and codecs that require less bandwidth and can offer 4k resolution like .h265? My response is to a person who said he will "never" choose digital over physical media. Resistance holds back evolution, science, and progression...and neither of those pause for resistance.

First of all h265 is years away from being made available en mass. 4K screens are also years away fem being affordable to the masses. Very near future is most likely not that near, especially for streaming where only a fraction of the population has Google Fiber or an equivalent speed to their house at an affordable price. For most Americans we are probably talking 10 years or more. We are also most likely looking at a packaged media for 4K as well, not just download only.

Why some of you are so set that packaged media will go away and everyone will be streaming/downloading only beats me. I don't see it as an either/or scenario. The studios and CE's will try to make as much money as they can and attempt to cater to consumers. Many consumers will simply demand physical media or studios and CE's would lose billions and billions in lost revenue forcing the masses to a format that not everyone wants.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lucy Diamond

Obviously.


Congratulations on the world's thinnest argument though.

Natural disaster.




Totally love your kind though. Thank you for that.

come on man don't you know that you will be dead flattened by that several mile asteroid that will wipe out all life on the planet and the biggest issue will be the films you bought

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by mywhitenoise

As if natural disaster is any less threat than some data center losing power? I just made a ridiculous (though not irrational) claim to counter yours.

seriously? it is as irrational as it gets. If there is flooding, it might screw up my house, it might screw up my life but all my BDs would need is to dry up so I can play them. A tornado or hurricane, with the BDs in the basement they will probably be safer than I will. An earthquake, unless the house falls down (and even then some might be OK) and kills me there is no issue.... while power failures, they happen all the time. Servers, crap out all the time that is why Netflix was out around Christmas for roughly a day....

[mywhitenoise]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

let me guess you also think that we will all be traveling in flying cars very soon as well

Yeah, because comparing technology that isn't anywhere near to being conceptualized is fair to equate to technology that is already here (1 Gbps download speeds), testing (.h265), and ready (4k TVs).

Go back to your cave, you primitive beta.

[mywhitenoise]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

you will never own it. but I guess that is why you put owning in quotation marks since you alkready know that. I cantake my BD (or DVD and play it in my sisters BD player, my dads BD player, my friends BD player, my neighbours BD player. I can go outside knock on doors until I find 10, 100 oer 1000.... people with BD players that let me in to play the disk and I can do that because I own it. Now with how many people can I do that that have a player that can ply my legal copy of a film?

God damn, some of these comments are way too depressing. You would think on a technology forum, people would be aware of the historical, and future, trends of technology. I can transport hundreds of movies in a single hard drive, and storage is only getting smaller in size, larger in content, and cheaper in price. There's already a 1TB flash drive ready for the market.

[ack_bak]

Originally Posted by wormraper

uhhhhhh, TV mfgs are suffering (at least the japanese ones) due to that huge quake , poor business decisions and the saturation of the market... you have to hit a peak in growth sooner or later, they finall are coming to that point. now it's just people upgrading or buying a new one when theirs die. LG, Visio, Samsung and even places like Westinghouse (*yuck) are making great profits.

Check this out:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsu...1301162586.htm

Samsung sold 51+ million HDTV's last year alone and saw big jumps in revenue and profit... I guess they are going to pull the plug on HDTV though according to our resident expert...

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by mywhitenoise

Yeah, because comparing technology that isn't anywhere near to being conceptualized is fair to equate to technology that is already here (1 Gbps download speeds), testing (.h265), and ready (4k TVs).

Go back to your cave, you primitive beta.

what are you talking about you are looking at overly expensive tech available to a handfull of people (Google fibre) to 4k which is in many theatres and seen by many millions and there are 4k displays that are available.

But yeah all pirates hate physical media because they delude themselves in thinking that digital would be easier to pirate.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by mywhitenoise

God damn, some of these comments are way too depressing. You would think on a technology forum, people would be aware of the historical, and future, trends of technology. I can transport hundreds of movies in a single hard drive, and storage is only getting smaller in size, larger in content, and cheaper in price. There's already a 1TB flash drive ready for the market.

who cares wake me up when I can get a 500TB drive for 100$ until then it is only interesting for renters and then they don't need it because they rent.

[Crescendolls]

You Guys I agree with mywhitenoise. It's coming. I already know people who do not really own physical media. With the current popularity and quality of Netflix, I don't agree with the idea that we'll all be really old when that happens.

I just noticed mywhitenoise is suspended. K... Why not Anthony too if they were both arguing?! People can't have discussions when the moderator disagrees with them?

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Crescendolls

You Guys I agree with mywhitenoise. It's coming. I already know people who do not really own physical media. With the current popularity and quality of Netflix, I don't agree with the idea that we'll all be really old when that happens.

I just noticed mywhitenoise is suspended. K... Why not Anthony too if they were both arguing?! People can't have discussions when the moderator disagrees with them?

so do I, they're called renters. and that's where the streaming market is heading with ease.... collectors and people who actually BUY media.... ANY media, digital or not.. pretty much all go physical

[Steedeel]

Yep, digital to own is a dead end.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by ack_bak

No TV makers left?? Really?? Lol, you are a funny guy.. Yes HDTV's no longer sell that is why Walmart, Best Buy, Target, etc all featured them as some of the biggest Black Friday deals.

Which manufacturers have pulled the plug?

Japanese companies are suffering huge losses due to a number of factors, mainly the strong Yen and the big quake. Hard to blame that on HDTV.

Samsung, LG, and Vizio don't see to be hurting..

The three you mention are just about the only three that are successful. Even then isn't it just the fact that samsung are doing so well with other products that they can keep going down the tv route? Just my opinion, of course.

[joie]

Originally Posted by wormraper

uhhhhhh, TV mfgs are suffering (at least the japanese ones) due to that huge quake , poor business decisions and the saturation of the market... you have to hit a peak in growth sooner or later, they finall are coming to that point. now it's just people upgrading or buying a new one when theirs die. LG, Visio, Samsung and even places like Westinghouse (*yuck) are making great profits.

One reason Japanese companies have been taking a beating in the U.S. market is the value of the Yen vs. Dollar. In the last few years it has gone from about 120/dollar to 80/dollar. That has recently started to turn around, so Japanese manufacturers will be doing better -- they will be getting more Yen for their dollars. This is the situation where goods are sold for dollars in the U.S. and a Japanese company wants to repatriate its money/profits in Yen.

[Towergrove]

Interesting read...

Sales of Blu-ray Disc and DVD movies remain the largest source of revenue for the movie industry, accounting for 61% of home video spending on movies (excluding Netflix and other subscription video-on-demand services) in 2012, according to new data from The NPD Group. The percentage was down from 64% in 2011.

Port Washington, N.Y.-based NPD attributed the decline in part to lower average prices paid for Blu-ray titles, which fell 7% to $19.97 per unit last year.

“There is a significant base of video customers in the U.S. who continue to be comfortable with physical formats, and a large majority haven’t made the complete transition from discs to digital video,” said Russ Crupnick, media analyst with NPD. “For the time being, at least, consumers still like to own and rent movies and TV shows on DVD and Blu-ray, even in a world of where connected devices and digital rental, streaming, and ownership options are becoming more accepted and commonplace.”

Meanwhile, digital distribution of movies continues to grow -- representing 16% of consumer spending in 2012, which is up 2% from 2011. Transactional video-on-demand revenue from cable, satellite, and telco operators rose 1% to reach 12% of total revenues.

Transactional VOD accounted for 72% of digital revenue, followed by electronic sellthrough with 16% of VOD revenue, and Internet VOD at 12% of revenue.

Interestingly, while iTunes dominates the market for electronci sellthrough and Netflix leads the SVOD market, there is more competition for iVOD rentals.

Apple's iTunes accounted for 45% of iVOD sales, followed by Amazon Instant Video with 18%, Walmart's Vudu with15%, Microsoft's Xbox 360 video with 14%, and others at 8%.

Redbox continues to dominate the disc rental market with nearly half (46%) of all physical disc movie rentals in 2012, up 8% from 2011. By-mail disc rentals fell 5% to 32% market share (from 37%) -- underscoring Netflix's focus on SVOD. Movie rentals from brick-and-mortar stores fell 2%, and now represent 22% of all video rentals, down from 24% in 2011.

Finally, NPD said television programming continues to be the preferred content among SVOD and EST consumers. About 80% of Netflix streaming subs watched TV shows, while 90% of EST transactions were TV programs.

“In the market for television content, Netflix has amassed a strong slate of popular programs, including "Breaking Bad" and "The West Wing," all of which capitalize on time-shifting behavior because they immerse the viewer for shorter timeframes than full-length movies do,” Crupnick said. “As long as TV content remains compelling and easily available, we can expect to see that sector of home video expand.”

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/ind...-revenue-29495

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by mywhitenoise

God damn, some of these comments are way too depressing. You would think on a technology forum, people would be aware of the historical, and future, trends of technology. I can transport hundreds of movies in a single hard drive, and storage is only getting smaller in size, larger in content, and cheaper in price. There's already a 1TB flash drive ready for the market.

love the pic but the sad part is those were the top technologies at the time. i thought i read somewhere that mp3 is like 20-30 years old but with the technology at the time, all you could hold was 1 song so there was no way it was going to sell.

one thing to remember is that as technology gets better, it takes up more room. when dvd movies first came out, most were on dvd5. then they bumped them up to dvd 9 which took up more room but we got better quality out of it. now look at blurays - larger yet again. it is going to be a trade between quality - if you want better quality, you will buy the bluray or whatever the physical version is but if you can stand a little less quality, streaming will work for you. downloads are a different story but even there, it all depends on how long you want to wait to get that movie onto your machine.

[Steedeel]

The way i see it, when Bluray came out I was confident that my dvds and blurays could live side by side. I had a way to watch lovely HD movies in 1080p and still had my dvds for when a particular title was not released for bluray. Both formats would be pretty safe considering bluray players also played dvd. With all this streaming and smartphone crap i don't have the same feeling and it puts doubts in my head. Will i be able to enjoy my discs in the future if bluray is no more in a few years time. when players are phased out I am stuck with my films and no means to watch them.
Another issue for me is the threat of tablets and especially smartphones overtaking tv as the primary viewing device. I could deal with streaming and downloading in the future if i am watching on a big screen and the quality gets a bump. After all, i am a film fan first and bluray fan second. Regardless of how devastated i would be without my Home Cinema picture quality, i could deal with it because of my love for film. what i cannot deal with is watching movies on smartphones. If that is my only option in the future i simply cannot enjoy my movies on such a small screen. I have tried and had to turn the film off after ten minutes.

[Midnight Rambler]

Streaming will NEVER win out in the U.S. because in the U.S. the greedy ISP's, etc. will NEVER build out the "last mile" (more like last miles).

I live on the cusp of the suburbs of a major city in Ohio. Go a half mile down my road and my neighbors can't get cable TV, and their only Internet options are via telco or satellite, both of which suck horribly.

[vargo]

Originally Posted by Midnight Rambler

Streaming will NEVER win out in the U.S. because in the U.S. the greedy ISP's, etc. will NEVER build out the "last mile" (more like last miles).

I live on the cusp of the suburbs of a major city in Ohio. Go a half mile down my road and my neighbors can't get cable TV, and their only Internet options are via telco or satellite, both of which suck horribly.

Define 'win out'.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by vargo

Define 'win out'.

Many homes still don't have access to extremely fast connections that are required to stream HD content reliably. And the ones that do if they live in areas with little competition pay over inflated prices.

For all these arguments about convenience winning out over quality why don't we apply those to ISP customers. I know a lot of people who prefer to pay lower prices for slower DSL because they don't like the high prices of the cable companies. IOW, 3Mbps DSL is good enough for what they need to do on the net.