HDTVTEST (Vincent Teoh) Discussion Thread

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Originally Posted by lgans316

LG will make that move if their competitor does something similar (reactive Vs proactive)

That's a good point. From what I've gathered via various videos, MLA was only brought out this year because of the second gen QD-OLED and its various improvements. Regardless, 2023 is another stellar year to be an AV Nerd (TM). As with 2022 (diddy diddy do), there's literally something for everyone again this year!

[nick4Knight]

The G will still get the best brightness specs (regardless of the tech implemented like MLA on top) at hardware level, and the heatsink to distinguish itself for purchasing a premium price tag.

I'd imagine the MLA will only trickle down when LG display move even further with the new chemicals.

[unberechenbar]

Do Sony's non-QD OLEDs not have MLA?

[mkozlows]

They do not. They're C3-alikes.

[Robert Zohn]

Thought it would be interesting to have Brian's YouTube quick comparison of LG's 77" C3 and 65" G3.

LG G3 VS C3 SIBLING RIVALRY! BRIGHTER , BETTER? - YouTube

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This is the BRIGHTEST 27-inch 240Hz OLED Monitor (Thanks to MLA + Heatsink) - YouTube

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Samsung S90C QD-OLED Review - Brighter vs LG C3! - YouTube

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Sony 2023 OLED TV Review - Smooth Gradation King! - YouTube

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YouTube

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YouTube

[Blu Cider]

Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital

Or... People could stop using an Apple TV to access media streaming services and use the in-built apps on their smart TV instead

Good luck getting 5:5 pulldown on a Sony tv with built-in apps.

[Better in Blu]

The built in apps are inferior to a dedicated streaming device

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally Posted by Blu Cider

Good luck getting 5:5 pulldown on a Sony tv with built-in apps.

So I've recently heard... Shocking!

It would appear that all media streaming service app based content is output at 60Hz... Does anybody know if this an Android OS TV thing or a Sony TV specific thing?

[Blu Cider]

Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital

So I've recently heard... Shocking!
Does anybody know if this an Android OS TV thing or a Sony TV specific thing?

Good question I would like to know as well.

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by Better in Blu

The built in apps are inferior to a dedicated streaming device

There are many different factors, so blanket statements like that aren't helpful.

One example is that the shorter signal path on an internal app (no HDMI encode/decode and fewer conversions to/from RGB in the TV's pipeline when compared with the signal path of an external device) means the internal apps have a picture quality advantage that can never be overcome by an external device.

Another example is that features such as Dolby Vision IQ, which use the TV's light sensor to feed directly into the algorithm which manipulates the EOTF in brighter rooms, can't work on an external device by design.

That's just two, and there are others such as UI speed (internal vs external) and many other non-picture and sound quality factors. Some users will refuse to take the non-picture and sound quality factors into account, saying they should not be part of the decision, whilst others will value them above picture and sound quality. Therefore to take all those different factors and attempt to boil them down into a single opinion as to which is better, is a fruitless task, as well as extremely misleading.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Blu Cider

Good luck getting 5:5 pulldown on a Sony tv with built-in apps.

If they’re running at 60Hz then just turn on the 3:2 pull-down in the motionflow settings…or am I being thick?

[mkozlows]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

Another example is that features such as Dolby Vision IQ, which use the TV's light sensor to feed directly into the algorithm which manipulates the EOTF in brighter rooms, can't work on an external device by design.

Why do you believe this? Dolby Vision IQ uses the light sensor to do tone-mapping, yes, but it can work with content from any source.

[wesslan]

Originally Posted by mkozlows

Why do you believe this? Dolby Vision IQ uses the light sensor to do tone-mapping, yes, but it can work with content from any source.

Exactly, DV IQ works great on my panasonic oled with ATV4K for example.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by mkozlows

Why do you believe this? Dolby Vision IQ uses the light sensor to do tone-mapping, yes, but it can work with content from any source.

Yep, that makes zero sense. The metadata coming off of the source is still being read by the TV, it then dovetails that with what the light sensor is reading.

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by mkozlows

Why do you believe this? Dolby Vision IQ uses the light sensor to do tone-mapping, yes, but it can work with content from any source.

Ah, my mistake on this part of the post; appreciate the correction.