HDTVTEST (Vincent Teoh) Discussion Thread - Page 95 - Blu-ray Forum

unberechenbar · 08-03-2023, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lgans316

Agree. I am just waiting for the 85X95L to go under £3500. When that happens it is time to say goodbye to the ZD9 and demote the 77A80J to the bedroom.

For some reason, Sony continues to use a superior panel on the 85.

You think it will be better than the ZD9?

lgans316 · 08-03-2023, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by unberechenbar

You think it will be better than the ZD9?

I have the ZD9. Whilst it is a great TV, the OLED is more consistent for overall picture quality and given all the conservative HDR grading we get, 99% of the times OLED would suffice.

It is about quality of nits over quantity for me.

I am reading positive comments from owners of the 85X95L who own the ZD9 and 77 WOLED like me. These guys are not hung up on nits and prefer a balanced picture that is somewhere between the ZD9 and WOLED. Sony have been using inferior panels on the lower sizes 65 and 75 though. So I won't be touching them and it will be the 85.

I DO BLU · 08-07-2023, 04:18 PM

teddyballgame · 08-07-2023, 06:11 PM

Finally Sony will let us apply settings globally.

I would have spent the bulk of the energy budget to push higher apl windows and kept the highlights more modest. oleds fall off a cliff past 25% compared to lcd anything you can do to help there is appreciated. It will still be a great set though.

lgans316 · 08-10-2023, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by teddyballgame

Finally Sony will let us apply settings globally.

I would have spent the bulk of the energy budget to push higher apl windows and kept the highlights more modest. oleds fall off a cliff past 25% compared to lcd anything you can do to help there is appreciated. It will still be a great set though.

As if there are plenty of content out there with highlights exceeding 25% .

Having said that I think Sony chose to remain conservative despite the heat sink.

teddyballgame · 08-10-2023, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lgans316

As if there are plenty of content out there with highlights exceeding 25% .

Having said that I think Sony chose to remain conservative despite the heat sink.

I consider highlights to be smaller details. Like 1 or 2% of the display. A lot of those adding up to 25% isn't exactly common, but that's not really the point here. Keep in mind the the 25% picture level can be a multitude of tiny "highlights", a single large object, or what is more common in my experience...a combination of smaller and medium objects in addition to everything else in the scene. Tbh 25-100% apl is really not that uncommon. Performance there matters and it's where oled have always fallen short. They have been making decent progress though since 2021 when the A90J was first to actually take some steps in the right direction for higher apl. The most recent Samsung oled panels and LG when they use MLA have also followed this path. I still want my 300 nits full field

bit of an arbitrary number but I feel that should be sufficient impact especially when in a dark room.

I think I've seen you on AVS forums recently. You're considering the X95L this year right? Looks like a good'un

DJR662 · 08-10-2023, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by unberechenbar

You think it will be better than the ZD9?

That ship has sailed long time ago.

lgans316 · 08-11-2023, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by teddyballgame

I consider highlights to be smaller details. Like 1 or 2% of the display. A lot of those adding up to 25% isn't exactly common, but that's not really the point here. Keep in mind the the 25% picture level can be a multitude of tiny "highlights", a single large object, or what is more common in my experience...a combination of smaller and medium objects in addition to everything else in the scene. Tbh 25-100% apl is really not that uncommon. Performance there matters and it's where oled have always fallen short. They have been making decent progress though since 2021 when the A90J was first to actually take some steps in the right direction for higher apl. The most recent Samsung oled panels and LG when they use MLA have also followed this path. I still want my 300 nits full field

bit of an arbitrary number but I feel that should be sufficient impact especially when in a dark room.

I think I've seen you on AVS forums recently. You're considering the X95L this year right? Looks like a good'un

Yep. I will most likely buy the Sony 85X95L due to the size, price and feedback from dual panel tech owners (OLED + LCD including the 75ZD9). Surely the HDR measurements are nothing to rave amount on the 95L but I prefer a reasonably balanced picture over heavy blooming, crushed blacks / highlights in dark scenes. It is quite clear brightness has to be sacrificed to mitigate blooming on LCDs. When I get this big boy, the 77A80J will go into the bedroom after selling my beloved ZD9.

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gkolb · 08-30-2023, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by I DO BLU

TCL Unleash X955 Mini LED TV with 5000 Nits Peak Brightness & 5000+ Zones! - YouTube

Wow, that was aspirational!

I DO BLU · 09-11-2023, 05:43 PM

Ruined · 09-11-2023, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by I DO BLU

I've Seen the First 2024 Flagship TV (6000 Nits), & It's Glorious! - YouTube

Time to upgrade my QN90A already

SeeMoreDigital · 09-11-2023, 07:14 PM

So a panel rated at a minimum of 4000 nits with loads of dimming zones is "the future"?

lgans316 · 09-12-2023, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital

So a panel rated at a minimum of 4000 nits with loads of dimming zones is "the future"?

I wish Sony can use this panel and employ their smart LD algo.

With great power comes great responsibilities and for now, only Sony can do justice w.r. to LD algo.

Ruined · 09-12-2023, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital

So a panel rated at a minimum of 4000 nits with loads of dimming zones is "the future"?

MicroLED is "the future," 10,000 nits dimmable per pixel, inorganic with no burn in

Mini LED with 5000 nits and 5000 zones is a good interim choice that exposes the potential of HDR until MicroLED is more affordable. All the sets of today we basically are seeing downgraded HDR because they can't handle the nits in many HDR grades, so the 5000 nit highlights get tonemapped down to 1/5 of their intended brightness or less. Also such aggressive tonemapping itself can cause a issues itself in terms of picture quality

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Originally Posted by lgans316

I wish Sony can use this panel and employ their smart LD algo.

With great power comes great responsibilities and for now, only Sony can do justice w.r. to LD algo.

Samsungs improved algo in the QN95C appears excellent from what I have seen also (best ive seen in a mini led in demos), but I dont own that set because its too similar to what I have already.

I would bet based on the coating and specs that this hisense is using a samsung panel, though i dont know that for a fact

lgans316 · 09-12-2023, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

MicroLED is "the future," 10,000 nits dimmable per pixel, inorganic with no burn in

Mini LED with 5000 nits and 5000 zones is a good interim choice that exposes the potential of HDR until MicroLED is more affordable. All the sets of today we basically are seeing downgraded HDR because they can't handle the nits in many HDR grades, so the 5000 nit highlights get tonemapped down to 1/5 of their intended brightness or less. Also such aggressive tonemapping itself can cause a issues itself in terms of picture quality

Samsungs improved algo in the QN95C appears excellent from what I have seen also (best ive seen in a mini led in demos), but I dont own that set because its too similar to what I have already.

I would bet based on the coating and specs that this hisense is using a samsung panel, though i dont know that for a fact

At the expense of crushing shadows and dimming highlights.

Ruined · 09-12-2023, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lgans316

At the expense of crushing shadows and dimming highlights.

That's largely because there arent enough LEDs packed into that model, though; without higher density, its either brighter highlights with lightbleed (eg QN90A), or dimmer highlights without bleed (eg QN95C). If their new model has 3x the density of LEDs those things shouldnt be as much of an issue anymore. But its one reason I havent upgraded my QN90A yet, we need a substantial increase in LED density to see big improvements, these new 5000+ LED panels may fit the bill - i believe that will make it with a full array of LEDs in the backlight placed approximately 0.8" apart from each other on an 85" TV.

08-07-2023, 06:11 PM	#1884
teddyballgame Special Member Top contributor Member since:Sep 2019 Location:United States 4K collection:436 Blu-ray collection:440	Finally Sony will let us apply settings globally. I would have spent the bulk of the energy budget to push higher apl windows and kept the highlights more modest. oleds fall off a cliff past 25% compared to lcd anything you can do to help there is appreciated. It will still be a great set though.

09-11-2023, 07:14 PM	#1896
SeeMoreDigital Senior Member Member since:Nov 2017 Location:Nott'm, UK	So a panel rated at a minimum of 4000 nits with loads of dimming zones is "the future"?

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