Prometheus (2012)

[MoulinBlu]

Originally Posted by groove93

Downloaded last night, and my modem decided to go on Strike after it began to download the second file.

Haven't had a chance to play it on my HTPC but the film looked beautiful on my laptop.

I'm still not seeing the big deal with the Characters but I will agree that the Makeup for Guy Pearce looked pretty bad now that I have a chance to really see it without the use of 3D Glasses. Other than that, I'm looking forward to viewing the extra features tonight!!!

You think you're "really seeing it" now? I hate to break it to you, but over-compressed SD (or HD) on a tiny screen is hardly more accurate or revealing than cinematic 3D. If his makeup looks poorer, it's far more likely to be because you can no longer see all the intricate detail that went into making it more convincing. It was the same with dvd. Special effects that looked far more convincing in the cinema and again now that they're on BD, looked almost cheesy on heavily compressed, downconverted, low res, sd-video because half the detail was simply no longer there, obscured by compression, or undetectable due to screen bias.


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As an aside, you know I sometimes feel that my movie-watching experience was the most blissful back in college when I had a 27" CRT and VHS rentals were my primary means of watching movies at home. I was never concerned about quality back then, even though I wasn't getting even half the movie experience, just as all the digital delivery advocates aren't seeing or hearing half of it even now that higher fidelity is actually available at home, even from dvd.

For that reason, I get why young kids who haven't really known anything better go for digital delivery, as well as adults who are always on the go, because their job makes them travel a lot, etc. Still, having experienced and acclimated to far better over the past decade and a half, I'd take 480i dvd (scaled) with lossy 5.1 surround over even HD streaming or download to a phone or computer any day - that's not the movie experiece, that's not even a decent TV experience, that's... youtube. I'm not interested in biasing if not ruining my initial experiece with a film with such a compromised delivery method, or wasting two hours of my day staring at a phone; I can't even imagine throwing away $5 as so many seem willing to do, much less $15 on it, when a BD w/ a dcopy included will be out so soon for very little more, or even the same price if you're willing to wait as little as a week after release. Clearly my pockets aren't as deep as some, but $15 would have to literally be pocket change for me to justify it, even if I actually wanted it.

[groove93]

Whatever floats your boat. I enjoyed the movie for what it was and could care less about video quality at this moment in time. I'll be double-dipping when it's released on Blu Ray.

Same goes for The Terminator which is by far the most horrible transfer to Blu Ray that I own and no mono track available, but I enjoy the film for what it is.

[Chaotic]

I cant imagine watching this without the best available video quality.

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by MoulinBlu

You think you're "really seeing it" now? I hate to break it to you, but over-compressed SD (or HD) on a tiny screen is hardly more accurate or revealing than cinematic 3D. If his makeup looks poorer, it's far more likely to be because you can no longer see all the intricate detail that went into making it more convincing. It was the same with dvd. Special effects that looked far more convincing in the cinema and again now that they're on BD, looked almost cheesy on heavily compressed, downconverted, low res, sd-video because half the detail was simply no longer there, obscured by compression, or undetectable due to screen bias.


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As an aside, you know I sometimes feel that my movie-watching experience was the most blissful back in college when I had a 27" CRT and VHS rentals were my primary means of watching movies at home. I was never concerned about quality back then, even though I wasn't getting even half the movie experience, just as all the digital delivery advocates aren't seeing or hearing half of it even now that higher fidelity is actually available at home, even from dvd.

For that reason, I get why young kids who haven't really known anything better go for digital delivery, as well as adults who are always on the go, because their job makes them travel a lot, etc. Still, having experienced and acclimated to far better over the past decade and a half, I'd take 480i dvd (scaled) with lossy 5.1 surround over even HD streaming or download to a phone or computer any day - that's not the movie experiece, that's not even a decent TV experience, that's... youtube. I'm not interested in biasing if not ruining my initial experiece with a film with such a compromised delivery method, or wasting two hours of my day staring at a phone; I can't even imagine throwing away $5 as so many seem willing to do, much less $15 on it, when a BD w/ a dcopy included will be out so soon for very little more, or even the same price if you're willing to wait as little as a week after release. Clearly my pockets aren't as deep as some, but $15 would have to literally be pocket change for me to justify it, even if I actually wanted it.

Agree more or less completely.

Couldnt care less about digital copies let alone paying for them!

[MoulinBlu]

Originally Posted by groove93

Whatever floats your boat. I enjoyed the movie for what it was and could care less about video quality at this moment in time. I'll be double-dipping when it's released on Blu Ray.

Same goes for The Terminator which is by far the most horrible transfer to Blu Ray that I own and no mono track available, but I enjoy the film for what it is.

This is a vastly ignorant statement too. Sorry. No offense intended, but it is. Just because a film shot on a budget with lower-quality film stock doesn't look like HD video, doesn't make it horrible. That's about as absurd as criticizing an original Da Vinci for having brush strokes, when the photocopied print of the same painting doesn't. It's people's perception and appreciation for film that needs work, more than the BD itself.

[bleszinski]

Originally Posted by Rustam15

Honestly, don't set your standards too high. They weren't perfect, but they were entertaining enough for their time. If you can, skip 3 all together. If you watched it, erase it from your memory via Superman laser power.

i feel that i dont want to watch them coz i dont want to get an eye pollution

[groove93]

I'm not going to nit pick over every anamoly found in a movie no matter the budget. Can The Terminator be improved picture wise? After seeing what Cameron did with Aliens, most certainly. Am I holding my breath for a restored version, no. With that said i will be content with what I have for now.

We could go on and on but at the end of the day it is my choice and my money that I control. If I was concerned about picture quality then I would seriously need to invest in more high-end gear, but for now this is nothing but a hobby, no more no less.

[GC Riot]

Originally Posted by MoulinBlu

This is a vastly ignorant statement too. Sorry. No offense intended, but it is. Just because a film shot on a budget with lower-quality film stock doesn't look like HD video, doesn't make it horrible. That's about as absurd as criticizing an original Da Vinci for having brush strokes, when the photocopied print of the same painting doesn't. It's people's perception and appreciation for film that needs work, more than the BD itself.

The problem with The Terminator doesn't lie in the fact that the film stock is less than pristine, it's that it didn't have much of a restoration. We know for a fact that old, low-budget films can look striking and filmic in HD, but the Terminator disc was riddled with problems that a remaster could fix. Look at the old Total Recall and compare it to the remastered version just released for example. It's like night and day...

Now, back on topic... Prometheus!

[prozacnation1978]

No way this movie comes out Oct 9th or 11th. This will get pushed back to Oct 30th or Nov even

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by prozacnation1978

No way this movie comes out Oct 9th or 11th. This will get pushed back to Oct 30th or Nov even

and why is that?

[MoulinBlu]

Originally Posted by GC Riot

The problem with The Terminator doesn't lie in the fact that the film stock is less than pristine, it's that it didn't have much of a restoration. We know for a fact that old, low-budget films can look striking and filmic in HD, but the Terminator disc was riddled with problems that a remaster could fix. Look at the old Total Recall and compare it to the remastered version just released for example. It's like night and day...

Now, back on topic... Prometheus!

I would call Total Recalls improvement significant, for sure, but night and day? In some places, yes, like the wall tv early in the film; but for the majority of the film, I'd label it more modestly.

It's a common mistake to assume that just because one film of the same era or even earlier saw dramatic improvement over a previous BD that any film can show the same. All 35mm stock is not the same, nor are all 35mm cameras/photography. Traditional post-processing has to be factored as well, which can be a very deleterious process, depending on what processes were used. Look at Bram Stoker's Dracula. That's a film that got a better effort than the vast majority, but still gets a bad rap, solely because people expect the HD-video look. I'm not saying Terminator can't be improved, or Dracula for that matter. But some people presume way too much and have no basis for it other than "well this movie looks better so any movie should", which simply just isn't true and is an assumption at best. Such assertion requires an intimate familiarity with the film that none of us have. More experienced videophiles can reasonably predict the potential for improvement from a new restoration for obvious things like severe print damage, but print damage isn't what the vast majority of complaints I've read about The Terminator were about. And even cleaning up actual print damage and debris isn't without detriment. Some purists will feel just as cheated by it as they do from 5.1 remixes, especially if not done with enough care.

I'm not defending the use of out-dated masters for BD. That's far, far too common a practice. But, the thing about out-dated masters, some are still near reference. That's the problem, it's a crapshoot that's more dependent on studio practices at the time of mastering than operator error. For example, Sony went through a period where they over-enhanced all their masters for dvd. I believe Warner went the other route and filtered all of theirs, excessively for a time, for the same reasoning; but unlike my info about Sony's, I haven't found or sought confirmation for my Warner suspicions.

Back on Prometheus: Has there been confirmation that this release will include the 20 minute extended cut of the film that Ridley Scott talked about back in June, I believe. Sorry, if it's already been posted, but I couldn't find anything in the dozen or so pages I jumped to in this 50+ page thread.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by prozacnation1978

No way this movie comes out Oct 9th or 11th. This will get pushed back to Oct 30th or Nov even

Nope. The digital release came out today, with the announcements surrounding it stating how it's coming out 3 weeks before the BD & DVD releases.

Originally Posted by MoulinBlu

Back on Prometheus: Has there been confirmation that this release will include the 20 minute extended cut of the film that Ridley Scott talked about back in June, I believe. Sorry, if it's already been posted, but I couldn't find anything in the dozen or so pages I jumped to in this 50+ page thread.

Everything we've seen so far indicates that there is no extended cut. The back covers of various international editions state the runtime as 124 min. So it seems we're just getting standalone deleted scenes. Ridley went back and forth in those interviews as to whether he would do an extended cut or not, and it seems like he ultimately decided not to.

[MoulinBlu]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

Nope. The digital release came out today, with the announcements surrounding it stating how it's coming out 3 weeks before the BD & DVD releases.



Everything we've seen so far indicates that there is no extended cut. The back covers of various international editions state the runtime as 124 min. So it seems we're just getting standalone deleted scenes. Ridley went back and forth in those interviews as to whether he would do an extended cut or not, and it seems like he ultimately decided not to.

Thanks. Knowing Fox, and based on what Scott said about how he tries to appease the studios, I'd still wager that one's still coming. It might be in a year, or might be by Christmas, considering how quickly they seem to be pushing this out: It might not mean anything, but MIB3 hit theaters earlier than Prometheus, but is coming to video over a month later. Or maybe the ommission has something to do with the annoucement of Prometheus 2 - possibly being saved for a re-release then, or even integrated into the second film - if the film actually happens, which I haven't heard if Scott is actually signed on yet. It might be just as awesome if Cameron took a turn, like with Aliens.

[Monk360]

Just finished watching Prometheus on my iPhone (during a meeting no less)...it translates rather well on the small screen; still extremely enjoyable.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

I still have to say I'm doubtful of any longer cut down the road. This release, from a supplemental standpoint, is going to be a definitive release. Commentaries, documentaries, deleted scenes, enhancement pods, trailers, tv spots, viral videos, etc. I can't imagine that Ridley wouldn't be putting his preferred "director's cut" on this release - especially considering he recorded a director's commentary track for it. I'll be very surprised if we get a longer cut later on - and if we do, it'll most likely be a studio requested alternate cut (like Alien and Gladiator), and not a true "director's cut".

[WESTHAMUTD1]

Originally Posted by PointManification

Guys! Found this through Twitter. Its the Director's Cut of the conversation! Looking forward to find out more about that conversation!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK684Ti1KyI&

Prometheus is available on Digital HD 9/18!

Ive just read on prometheus forum that this scene is just a deleted scene!cant understand why they would take this scene out,seems better in!!

Need some info on blu ray release soon!!!!!

[UNCMT9]

Looks like the 3d cover art version has been updated

[WESTHAMUTD1]

Originally Posted by UNCMT9

Looks like the 3d cover art version has been updated

where???

sorry ignore that!just noticed its on here!!!thats the cover i want!hope uk version gets this cover!!!!

[oly]

When will they update the artwork on Amazon? Geez. I love the new 3D cover.

[returnofthemack]

saw a display at best buy today for all the alien movies but it was a promethues display. the date said the 11th on the display and the cover art was a sphere with the sfx for the 3d collecters edition and the engineers face for the blu dvd combo