Prometheus (2012)

[jala12]

Originally Posted by Brahby

2) The engineer being part Xenomorph at the end. Now before everyone starts flaming me and saying its "armor" I may agree that SOME of it is, but I have looked very closely at pictures online and there is certain part that are obviously not "armor" it is actually his body. Pay close attention to the neck

It's supposed to be a pressure suit. Despite its organic appearance, it's not actually part of the Engineer, just well integrated with him.

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

To those who say the film wouldn't have benefited from an extended cut, including Ridley Scott himself, I MUST disagree. As a fan of the theatrical cut and someone who owns the 4-disc Collector's Edition, I had the opportunity to watch a special edit called the Weyland Investor's Cut that added back in the deleted and alternate scenes. In my opinion, the deleted and alternate scenes added a lot to the film and gave me a hell of a lot more enjoyable ride than the theatrical version. Story-wise, pacing-wise, character-wise, the whole film benefited from the extra scenes. I also MUCH prefer the alternate CGI Fifield attack and the extended fight scene between Shaw and the Engineer was SO much better executed and suspenseful than the abridged theatrical version.

The theatrical cut might be Ridley's Director's Cut, but my preferred version is this unofficial extended cut. Should Fox ever do an official extended cut, I will buy it in a second. THIS is the film that audiences should have received in theaters and I can't help but feel it would have been a little less critically panned by some had it.

With all due respect, this is the worst post I've read all week. I couldn't disagree more vehemently. The deleted scenes are riddled with atrocious forced dialog and spotty CGI. With the possible exception of the Janek/Vickers scene, it all deserved to be cut.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

With all due respect, this is the worst post I've read all week. I couldn't disagree more vehemently. The deleted scenes are riddled with atrocious forced dialog and spotty CGI. With the possible exception of the Janek/Vickers scene, it all deserved to be cut.

Respectfully disagree and the general consensus amongst those who have seen the extended cut agree with me. I am not saying the theatrical cut is bad, but the extended version is just a superior version. We are all entitled to our opinions. I shared mine.

[Brahby]

Originally Posted by jala12

It's supposed to be a pressure suit. Despite its organic appearance, it's not actually part of the Engineer, just well integrated with him.

I respect your opinion but I have to disagree. The "gills" on his neck do not appear to be a part of any suit nor does it appear to be integrated with him or the suit. It is literally on his neck. Same as the wrists, there is no clear lines indicative of a suit ending and flesh beginning. I think this is a definite form of mutation. I do agree that a majority of what we see is an armor/suit though.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

To those who say the film wouldn't have benefited from an extended cut, including Ridley Scott himself, I MUST disagree. As a fan of the theatrical cut and someone who owns the 4-disc Collector's Edition, I had the opportunity to watch a special edit called the Weyland Investor's Cut that added back in the deleted and alternate scenes. In my opinion, the deleted and alternate scenes added a lot to the film and gave me a hell of a lot more enjoyable ride than the theatrical version. Story-wise, pacing-wise, character-wise, the whole film benefited from the extra scenes. I also MUCH prefer the alternate CGI Fifield attack and the extended fight scene between Shaw and the Engineer was SO much better executed and suspenseful than the abridged theatrical version.

The theatrical cut might be Ridley's Director's Cut, but my preferred version is this unofficial extended cut. Should Fox ever do an official extended cut, I will buy it in a second. THIS is the film that audiences should have received in theaters and I can't help but feel it would have been a little less critically panned by some had it.

Was this a fan edit??

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Was this a fan edit??

If you would like to read about the discussions of the edit I am talking about, you can visit Weyland Investor's Cut Discussion. Keep in mind though that any talk of illegal file sharing will get you banned and rightfully so.

It is a fan cut and not official by any means, which makes me want to see what Ridley Scott would personally have done with an extended cut all the more. Like I said previously, I have nothing against the theatrical cut, I am a huge fan of the film having seen it three times in the theater, but the vast majority who have seen the version with the deleted and alternate scenes added back in PREFER that version. I agree with them.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Brahby

A couple of things I havent seen discussed yet that still puzzle me.

1) The storm starting at the same time the murals start changing

2) The engineer being part Xenomorph at the end. Now before everyone starts flaming me and saying its "armor" I may agree that SOME of it is, but I have looked very closely at pictures online and there is certain part that are obviously not "armor" it is actually his body. Pay close attention to the neck

Also some new observations that I do not recall seeing here:

There are different sized erns in the "tomb"

The pile of dead engineers all had something that resembled an "explosion" from their chest. I think even one scientist notes it exploded outward.

What if the Deacon (what you refer to as the xenomorph) at the end is actually the Engineer's offspring. Perhaps we witnessed a birth and this is part of the normal lifecycle of the Engineers.

[PointManification]

I've received my copy. Residing in Malaysia, and they seem to sell the 3 Disc Edition along with a piece of lenticular art on it.

I've unboxed it, and weird thing is, its not even a slip case. Its basically one piece of lenticular paper card, bundled together in the packaging.

What a shame indeed. If only it was a slip case. It is as if they've designed the lenticular art card just for people to dispose it once they've unbox the Blu-Ray, and there's no "option" for people to attach the art piece. Who ever who have come up with this idea should get his/her ass fired. What an absolute load of horseshit. Ridiculous.

Forgive me for my rant guys, I'm just disappointed. The lenticular art of David in the Orrery Room interacting with the holograms is so beautiful and its the best lenticular art I've ever seen. Looks like I might have to glue that shit. Damn. It will ruin the case for sure

I've posted 4 pictures. Please have a look and look closely at the side shots and you guys can see the lenticular art piece just placed onto the main front casing.

*Sorry for the quality of the images. I'm using Blackberry 9780 and its just 5MPs.* LOL

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

If you would like to read about the discussions of the edit I am talking about, you can visit Weyland Investor's Cut Discussion. Keep in mind though that any talk of illegal file sharing will get you banned and rightfully so.

It is a fan cut and not official by any means, which makes me want to see what Ridley Scott would personally have done with an extended cut all the more. Like I said previously, I have nothing against the theatrical cut, I am a huge fan of the film having seen it three times in the theater, but the vast majority who have seen the version with the deleted and alternate scenes added back in PREFER that version. I agree with them.

That's what I thought. I would say the probability is that sometime in the future, given Fox interest in an extended cut, Ridley will provide one. Same thing happened with Alien on the Alien Anthology release. And, just as he said at the beginning of the extended Alien cut, the Theatrical cut will remain his preferred cut. I would guess that we'll see the Fox approved extended cut on the Prometheus Trilogy around 2016.

[Bunker]

I thought it was funny how obviously pissed Spaihts is in the Furious Gods when he talks about the studio bringing in Lindelof for rewrites.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

That's what I thought. I would say the probability is that sometime in the future, given Fox interest in an extended cut, Ridley will provide one. Same thing happened with Alien on the Alien Anthology release. And, just as he said at the beginning of the extended Alien cut, the Theatrical cut will remain his preferred cut. I would guess that we'll see the Fox approved extended cut on the Prometheus Trilogy around 2016.

I hope that is the case! If the theatrical cut is Ridley's (and others') preferred cut, that is fine. But I would love the option of watching an official extended cut, especially now having seen how much more enjoyable the unofficial extended cut makes the movie for me. Despite its flaws, it is one of my favorite movies in recent memory and I love reading people's opinions about the film, even from those who disagree with me.

[fgomike]

Originally Posted by Brahby

I respect your opinion but I have to disagree. The "gills" on his neck do not appear to be a part of any suit nor does it appear to be integrated with him or the suit. It is literally on his neck. Same as the wrists, there is no clear lines indicative of a suit ending and flesh beginning. I think this is a definite form of mutation. I do agree that a majority of what we see is an armor/suit though.

Ridley actually says on the third disc that its a suit. It's surrounding his neck

[Snicket]

If its a suit or organic why in any way does it take away from your enjoyment of the film?

[PointManification]

Well, a suit it may be, but this particular shot got me intrigued. Look at the back of his neck. Notice the crevice? Its like its embedded with him. Oh man. At times, it looks like its a damn suit, at times, I think its not. Confused.

[Brahby]

You know what I really got to thinking about just now is that I think most peoples complaints are ultimately based on the fact that it is Alien related in someway. I started to defend a lot of peoples arguments about there being no answers in a discussion with my friend but then what I realized was that if you completely eliminate the Alien aspect of it, people would have less complaints and would not write it off as atrocious or anything else we have heard.

Follow my logic. Lets just say that we remove all of the elements that have to do with Alien and completely strip it down to this: A film about a group of scientists who find an invitation to a moon that is thousands of years old. There they discover their makers, but also discover that they are all dead and that they were on their way to wiping out Earth. If we look at it as just this then there is 3 main questions I see: what killed the engineers/what were they running from, why did they invite us, why did they want to kill us?

I originally started my argument with my friend by saying "yes other movies have left us with questions but we still had a full movie regardless". I referred to films like Sucker Punch, Shutter Island, Inception, and even again Pulp Fiction, sure we would understand the movie more if we knew what was in the briefcase but we still had a full movie from start to finish. Then I corrected myself and realized WITHOUT trying to connect it to Alien, we have the same from Prometheus.

We have a movie that is about going to moon to discover something. Discovering it and then something terrifying attacking us. Its funny that people are so mad at this film for not tying it into Alien but they fail to mention that Alien DID THE EXACT SAME THING. The movie was literally about going to another moon (admittedly for a different reason), investigating a ship, being attacked by its occupants while investigating. Did people leave the Alien movie and say "this sucks, it doesnt make sense, where did the eggs come from?, what is the alien? who made it?"

If anything I would have been more pissed about Alien once Aliens came out because we know that a queen is responsible for laying the eggs which create facehuggers which use humans as host and create xenomorphs. But what created the queen? was there humans on the ship before the original crew in Alien? I think this is where Prometheus shines in its "connection" to Alien because it gives us something that has the same DNA that would arguably produce the same results but pre-dates us by an unknown number of years.

Do I think there is a lot of stuff that could or should have been answered? Absolutely, but I do not think that it makes it an incomplete movie at all or horrible.

[Brahby]

Originally Posted by Snicket

If its a suit or organic why in any way does it take away from your enjoyment of the film?

I dont know if you were asking me but it doesnt at all. I love this movie. I preferably hope its not all a suit and hope that it is some form of evolution or mutation of the Engineer because I would like that to tie into the whole "perfect organism" statement about the xenomorph in Alien. I mean face it, humans over time have poisoned themselves with unhealthy habits and I'd like to think a "perfect organism" came from something superior to us.

[greekak229]

Bought this the other day, watched it again, and I have to say, I absolutely loved it the second viewing. All in all, it's not a hard film to grasp. What's there is there, and a lot of that I'm sure will be answered in a sequel. I thought a lot of the information was already given to us, we just had to listen and watch closely.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Brahby

I dont know if you were asking me but it doesnt at all. I love this movie. I preferably hope its not all a suit and hope that it is some form of evolution or mutation of the Engineer because I would like that to tie into the whole "perfect organism" statement about the xenomorph in Alien. I mean face it, humans over time have poisoned themselves with unhealthy habits and I'd like to think a "perfect organism" came from something superior to us.

"The suits, particularly the pressure suit is another Ridley Scott ambiguity. He seems to want to have it both ways, in short, the pressure suit is an organically laced bio-suit that morphs to the wearers body. Here's a summary of both suits from the Cinefex article: the flight suit (the space jockey suit) is designed to contain the form-fitting pressure suit; which feeds life-giving fluids to the engineers during hibernation.The pressure suit is a skin tight neck down body covering laced with translucent organ detail the whole of which morphs to the body of the engineer as he dons it." (cinefex 130)

So it is a biomechanical device that becomes one with the Engineer's body.

Who's to say that over thousands or perhaps million of years of Engineer evolution the suit hasn't actually merged permanently with the Engineer race?

[groove93]

Originally Posted by Bunker

I thought it was funny how obviously pissed Spaihts is in the Furious Gods when he talks about the studio bringing in Lindelof for rewrites.

Yea and because he wasn't a proven Screenwriter Fox didn't want to Gamble the Franchise on on him. Kinda sucks what happened as it lessons the risk being taken by all those involved.

Nothing against Lindelof but his "fanboy'ism" reminded me of what the Strauss Brothers did for AVP Requiem, and IMO, that's a no no!!!

[groove93]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

"The suits, particularly the pressure suit is another Ridley Scott ambiguity. He seems to want to have it both ways, in short, the pressure suit is an organically laced bio-suit that morphs to the wearers body. Here's a summary of both suits from the Cinefex article: the flight suit (the space jockey suit) is designed to contain the form-fitting pressure suit; which feeds life-giving fluids to the engineers during hibernation.The pressure suit is a skin tight neck down body covering laced with translucent organ detail the whole of which morphs to the body of the engineer as he dons it." (cinefex 130)

So it is a biomechanical device that becomes one with the Engineer's body.

Who's to say that over thousands or perhaps million of years of Engineer evolution the suit hasn't actually merged permanently with the Engineer race?

Looking at the Xenomorph born from Kane (Specifically this particular Design compared to Cameron's "Bug" design, you can see a lot of the Biomechanical elements found in the Space Jockey.