Prometheus (2012)

[Edword]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Word is that Fox has release dates set up for several upcoming movies, including a Ridley Scott film, which may or may not be Prometheus 2.

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Well whatever it is going to be they better get to work! Especially if it's a sequel to Prometheus.

[Early Memphis]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I know! Coming into some of these threads now is like trying to listen to a rap song with all the cursing blanked out!

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Krelldog1977

A Prometheus sequel! So nice, Scott will show it twice! What a waste

or maybe it will be a Bladerunner spin off.............who knows. I'm sure it will be a major disappointment.....but then again there's always that 1% chance......

Despite my problems with Prometheus, there was definitely enough there to make me want to see a sequel. I just hope we can get some smarter characters and some answers on how it leads into Alien.

I don't think it could be the Blade Runner movie, because I believe that may still be over at Warner Bros.

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I know! Coming into some of these threads now is like trying to listen to a rap song with all the cursing blanked out!

LOL!!!

[Lentulus Batiatus]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

I know what a fact is... but you obvious don't.

You are incorrect.

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Are you honestly telling me that you see no differences between the Alien designs and the Prometheus designs? You want me to provide you a link to Ridley Scott speaking on the subject, when his films speak for themselves and you can clearly see the factual differences if you watch both films.

If I agree or dissagree with your opinion it is completely irrelevant after stating your opinion as fact.

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Why do I need to look for links for you? I told you where to go to see the proof -- the movies! Do your own research, or stay stupid.

You stated something was a fact. I asked you to provide the proof from Ridley Scott. You declined and acted like a child not getting their way. I asked again and you rehash the same argument that your opinion is fact when it is simply your opinion.

Originally Posted by Darkstream

And you started with the insults, so don't act like you're the victim of me being a big meany.

Never complained I was a victim of anything. I asked you to provide the proof to back up your statement of fact. I knew you couldn't do it. You took offence to being called out and won't back down no matter how wrong you are. You can't even read what is written and discuss the subject. Rather you simply run on and on about what your opinion is and continue to incorrectly state it as fact when your opinion has never been agreed or disagreed with. It really is funny how much one little comment got under your skin and how difficult it is for you to let go.

Provide links to quotes/articles/videos/etc. of Ridley Scott backing up your opinion or stop using the word fact like you have any understanding of it's meaning. Sounds pretty simple to me. But I'm sure you will again try and argue your opinion to me when I don't really care one way or the other, just want to see the proof behind these facts.

[Lentulus Batiatus]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

It's like arguing with a rock.

...aaaaand one more pointless person added to my ignore list.

Ditto. But then again you argue without understanding as well. This has been fun though.

[mar3o]

Funny how one single member in here has been arguing repeatedly with so many others the last few days. It's getting ridiculous actually.

[itsaboutHD]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

I just hope we can get some smarter characters and some answers on how it leads into Alien.

Well, I don't think they could get characters that were more "ghetto", so there's hope!

In my opinion, Alien is the result of the engineer's screw up. I would assume that what we'll see in a Prometheus sequel will have little or nothing to do with Alien , except maybe the spaceship design. All I ask is that they provide credible characters and script! Oh, and keep the same production value, great effects with minimal CGI, and of course, some hotty in a tight suit. And no, I wasn't referring to the David character

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Lentulus Batiatus

You are incorrect.



If I agree or dissagree with your opinion it is completely irrelevant after stating your opinion as fact.



You stated something was a fact. I asked you to provide the proof from Ridley Scott. You declined and acted like a child not getting their way. I asked again and you rehash the same argument that your opinion is fact when it is simply your opinion.



Never complained I was a victim of anything. I asked you to provide the proof to back up your statement of fact. I knew you couldn't do it. You took offence to being called out and won't back down no matter how wrong you are. You can't even read what is written and discuss the subject. Rather you simply run on and on about what your opinion is and continue to incorrectly state it as fact when your opinion has never been agreed or disagreed with. It really is funny how much one little comment got under your skin and how difficult it is for you to let go.

Provide links to quotes/articles/videos/etc. of Ridley Scott backing up your opinion or stop using the word fact like you have any understanding of it's meaning. Sounds pretty simple to me. But I'm sure you will again try and argue your opinion to me when I don't really care one way or the other, just want to see the proof behind these facts.

I'm only going to humor you just a bit more by even acknowledging your posts, because this is becoming redundant. So hopefully it will end here...


First of all, so that we don't stray too far from what it was that you were trying to call me out on, I'll repeat what I said:

It is so obvious that Ridley Scott re-envisioned and revised the concepts and designs of Alien with Prometheus. That's a fact!

Okay, so you don't like me saying that it's a fact, when indeed it is.

How so? I'll explain...


If you look at the Space Jockey in Prometheus, is it exactly like the one originally seen in Alien? No? Okay, so why is that? Because it's been re-envisioned and revised! FACT!


If you look at the Deacon in Prometheus, is it exactly like the Xenomorph originally seen in Alien? No. Because it's been re-envisioned and revised! FACT!


If you look at the space suits in Prometheus, are they exactly like the ones originally seen in Alien? No. Because they've been re-envisioned and revised! FACT!


If you look at the sleep chambers in Prometheus, are they exactly like the ones originally seen in Alien? No. Because they've been re-envisioned and revised! FACT!

Etc...etc...


The way I see it, your problem isn't so much with me and what I've stated as fact, but that it all conflicts with what you choose to ignore as changes made between the two films, because they conflict with your delusional ideal view of seeing these films with a seamless continuity.


You don't need to hear Ridley Scott telling you what has been changed, when his movies show what has been changed.

Secondly, Ridley Scott intentionally wanted some of the ideas in Prometheus to be vague and not spelled out for you (a la Kubrick's 2001) -- From what I remember reading before the film came out, he basically told Damon Lindelof not explain too much in the script, because he did not want to spoonfeed the viewers with everything.

And again, what bothers me most about your posts, is not our different views, the debate, or any difficulty that you want to imply that I'm having of backing up my end of the argument --- it's your condescending comments!

[itsaboutHD]

Originally Posted by Lentulus Batiatus

Ditto. But then again you argue without understanding as well. This has been fun though.

Reading or avoiding all your posts has not been fun for some of us that want to read or comment on the topic. It'd be great if you could move your conversation to the "Bickering" thread. I assume no one has reported you because they're all nice, but really, give it a rest! Thanks!

[Early Memphis]

Originally Posted by itsaboutHD

Well, I don't think they could get characters that were more "ghetto", so there's hope!

Okay, I'm not sure what you meant there, but it sure could be taken as racist. Please edit your post so I don't have to report it and then I'll delete this one. Thank you.

[Lentulus Batiatus]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Blah blah blah

Show me exactly where I disagreed with your opinion. Stop trying to convince me that your opinion is correct. I've never stated otherwise. I asked you to provide back up to your statement of fact. You fail to even comprehend what that means. I could care less if you think Scott changed his mind about this or that.

Now if you want me to debate your OPINION, well I could. But since you've stated it to be FACT without backing it up I fail to see the point. Regardless, I'll byte.

You just simply stated that everything in Prometheius is different than in Alien and this is FACT that Scott re-envisioned EVERYTHING from Alien and changed it for Prometheus. OK then, provide the links to Scott stating Prometheus is a re-imagined remake of Alien.

Space jockey is not identical? Well duh, they are 2 different jockeys on 2 different ships on 2 different planets in the universe. That, my friend, is a FACT!

Deacon is not identical to a Xenomorph? Well duh, the Xenomorph came from a face hugger impregnating Kane and taking on some of his physiology. The Deacon came from a tiny glop of goop ingested by Charlie and passed sexually to Elizabeth before gestating into a squid-like creature which impregnated the Engineer. That, again, is a FACT!

The space suits aren't the same? Well duh, one set are on an industrial tug built for ore processing purposes while the others are on a very different vessel on a scientific mission. Russian and American space suits have similar attributes but different looks while performing the same basic functions. That, you guessed it, is a FACT!

The sleep chambers? Really? Does my bedroom look anything like yours? Come on now.

So now what? I'm just dense and stupid (your words) to not understand how your idea of what Prometheus is (a re-imagined remake of Alien) is in fact not what it is? I proved your fact statement as false. I've now also proven your opinion to be inaccurate of reality. Prometheus is a film set in the Alien universe, not a remake of the original. It is not J.J. Arbram's Star Trek compared to Gene Roddenberry's. It has themes and instances that are similar but stands alone on it's story. It fills in a bit of back story to things seen in Alien but it is by no means a remake or re-imagining of what Alien is. Alien is and will always be Alien. Prometheus brings new information and questions as to how the ship on LV-426 got there, what it's mission was and just how were the face huggers developed and for whom. But the characters and instances in both films are not related to each other in any capacity any more than the robot has ulterior motives leading to him losing his head and everyone but the chick dies. For all we know the face huggers in the ship on LV-426 were the first attempt by the engineers at a WMD which obviously failed causing the pilot's death and ship to crash centuries before the Engineers even arrived on Earth in the first place.

Now what would you like to discuss?

[brian9229]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

Okay, I'm not sure what you meant there, but it sure could be taken as racist. Please edit your post so I don't have to report it and then I'll delete this one. Thank you.

Racist? You obviously haven't a clue what ghetto means in that context, but it sure isn't racist.

[Early Memphis]

Originally Posted by brian9229

Racist? You obviously haven't a clue what ghetto means in that context, but it sure isn't racist.

I guess the meaning of "could be taken as" escapes you - also the fact that yours is not the only interpretation.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Funny how one single member in here has been arguing repeatedly with so many others the last few days. It's getting ridiculous actually.

Pointless arguing, really. Nothing wrong with arguing if both parties are making progress or at least addressing each other's points, but going on and on and on about needing proof when it's right there out in the open for all to see is indeed ridiculous. It's basically thread crapping, which is a forum violation.

If it continues it should be reported.

Originally Posted by brian9229

Racist? You obviously haven't a clue what ghetto means in that context, but it sure isn't racist.

Well, ghetto refers to a lot of things (low quality, trashy, broke, ect.) but it is often associated with minority races in poor living conditions, so in a way you're both right. It could be seen as racial if used in certain contexts and not so much in others.

[SammymeBlu]

I love this movie,that is all

[itsaboutHD]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

Okay, I'm not sure what you meant there, but it sure could be taken as racist. Please edit your post so I don't have to report it and then I'll delete this one. Thank you.

From dictionary.com

ghetto
noun, plural ghet·tos, ghet·toes.

6. Slang: Often Disparaging and Offensive. noting something that is considered to be unrefined, low-class, cheap, or inferior: Her furniture is so ghetto!

People can choose to view things in a positive or negative way. I tend to choose the former. Except for most of the cast in Prometheus!

[Dreamliner330]

Originally Posted by SammymeBlu

I love this movie,that is all

I agree. Lots if drama in here....

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by itsaboutHD

People can choose to view things in a positive or negative way. I tend to choose the former. Except for most of the cast in Prometheus!

Double standard.
Judgment: One month in an iso cube.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Lentulus Batiatus

Show me exactly where I disagreed with your opinion. Stop trying to convince me that your opinion is correct. I've never stated otherwise. I asked you to provide back up to your statement of fact. You fail to even comprehend what that means. I could care less if you think Scott changed his mind about this or that.

Now if you want me to debate your OPINION, well I could. But since you've stated it to be FACT without backing it up I fail to see the point. Regardless, I'll byte.

You just simply stated that everything in Prometheius is different than in Alien and this is FACT that Scott re-envisioned EVERYTHING from Alien and changed it for Prometheus. OK then, provide the links to Scott stating Prometheus is a re-imagined remake of Alien.

Space jockey is not identical? Well duh, they are 2 different jockeys on 2 different ships on 2 different planets in the universe. That, my friend, is a FACT!

Deacon is not identical to a Xenomorph? Well duh, the Xenomorph came from a face hugger impregnating Kane and taking on some of his physiology. The Deacon came from a tiny glop of goop ingested by Charlie and passed sexually to Elizabeth before gestating into a squid-like creature which impregnated the Engineer. That, again, is a FACT!

The space suits aren't the same? Well duh, one set are on an industrial tug built for ore processing purposes while the others are on a very different vessel on a scientific mission. Russian and American space suits have similar attributes but different looks while performing the same basic functions. That, you guessed it, is a FACT!

The sleep chambers? Really? Does my bedroom look anything like yours? Come on now.

So now what? I'm just dense and stupid (your words) to not understand how your idea of what Prometheus is (a re-imagined remake of Alien) is in fact not what it is? I proved your fact statement as false. I've now also proven your opinion to be inaccurate of reality. Prometheus is a film set in the Alien universe, not a remake of the original. It is not J.J. Arbram's Star Trek compared to Gene Roddenberry's. It has themes and instances that are similar but stands alone on it's story. It fills in a bit of back story to things seen in Alien but it is by no means a remake or re-imagining of what Alien is. Alien is and will always be Alien. Prometheus brings new information and questions as to how the ship on LV-426 got there, what it's mission was and just how were the face huggers developed and for whom. But the characters and instances in both films are not related to each other in any capacity any more than the robot has ulterior motives leading to him losing his head and everyone but the chick dies. For all we know the face huggers in the ship on LV-426 were the first attempt by the engineers at a WMD which obviously failed causing the pilot's death and ship to crash centuries before the Engineers even arrived on Earth in the first place.

Now what would you like to discuss?

I never said Prometheus was a "remake" of Alien --- I don't where you got that. Maybe that's where your problem is --- your level of comprehension.


Again, I said the concepts and designs that were done in Alien were re-envisoned and revised for Prometheus. That is a fact. It doesn't matter what the reasons were for the changes or why there were any differences made at all --- that's not what we're debating -- they were still reimagined alterations of the original designs and ideas. Simple as that.


And we're done here. I have nothing more to discuss with the likes of you.

[itsaboutHD]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Double standard.
Judgment: One month in an iso cube.

That's a little harsh! I mean, a week maybe...