Prometheus (2012)

[Cliff]

Originally Posted by Dark.Devil.21

That is why I like Christopher Nolan. He never makes a scene that he doesn't want in the movie. He usually never has any deleted scenes in his movies.

That doesn't mean he doesn't shoot stuff he cuts... a director's job is to make the best movie they can. If a scene doesn't work and hurts the movie, it gets cut. Making a movie isn't about just stuffing in EVERYTHING you shot, regardless of quality. I GUARANTEE you that Christopher Nolan has deleted scenes... he just doesn't want them included on the discs.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Sometimes a storymaker sees an opportunity to change the intent an improve upon a story by altering the original idea after it has already been created, so they edit a scene and some of what it used to be is "left on the cutting room floor."

Most of the time, the cuts were the right choice to make. Once and a while they are not.

[Cliff]

Originally Posted by Dark.Devil.21

That is why I like Christopher Nolan. He never makes a scene that he doesn't want in the movie. He usually never has any deleted scenes in his movies.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...dy-bane-360071
For Dark Knight Rises:
"...there's a whole early section for Tom Hardy where he's fighting and being taunted by people,” Hemming said. “He's got chains on him, and he's standing on a wooden thing while people are attacking him. And in that scene, he's wearing a much more ragged, primitive version of the mask.”
After the reporter informed Hemming the scene was not in the finished product, the costume designer added:
“Well that's an awful shame, but I suppose you have to cut things, I won't elaborate on it too much, because it isn't in the film, but there was another section that showed you why he had the mask and where it came from."

[Dark.Devil.21]

Originally Posted by Cliff

That doesn't mean he doesn't shoot stuff he cuts... a director's job is to make the best movie they can. If a scene doesn't work and hurts the movie, it gets cut. Making a movie isn't about just stuffing in EVERYTHING you shot, regardless of quality. I GUARANTEE you that Christopher Nolan has deleted scenes... he just doesn't want them included on the discs.

That I can understand. But tell me which scenes that were cut from Prometheus wouldn't fit well into the movie. What I meant were the scenes that actually are okay to include into the movie. Prometheus deleted scenes are all suitable to be included into the movie. Especially the last fight scene between Shawn and the Engineer. In the movie, the Engineer who killed four people is shown defeated by a woman so easily. I am sure if they included the fight scene people would have been a lot more satisfied. I mean they showed parts of it in the trailer.

Paranormal Activity 3 showed best parts in the trailer only. Never in the movie. In fact they weren't even included with the extras or in the director's cut. That is just stupid.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by Dark.Devil.21

That I can understand. But tell me which scenes that were cut from Prometheus wouldn't fit well into the movie. What I meant were the scenes that actually are okay to include into the movie. Prometheus deleted scenes are all suitable to be included into the movie. Especially the last fight scene between Shawn and the Engineer. In the movie, the Engineer who killed four people is shown defeated by a woman so easily. I am sure if they included the fight scene people would have been a lot more satisfied. I mean they showed parts of it in the trailer.

Shaw didn't defeat the Engineer. Her offspring did. Ridley explains the cut of that scene in this video I posted earlier.

www.PrometheusForum.net - YouTube

Also, just because a scene is "okay" to be included in a movie - doesn't mean that the director should leave it in. Directors often comment about "killing their babies" in reference to cutting scenes they love, because it's for the betterment of the full film - whether they're making something more ambiguous or striving for a tighter pace.

[Dark.Devil.21]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

Shaw didn't defeat the Engineer. Her offspring did. Ridley explains the cut of that scene in this video I posted earlier.

www.PrometheusForum.net - YouTube

Also, just because a scene is "okay" to be included in a movie - doesn't mean that the director should leave it in. Directors often comment about "killing their babies" in reference to cutting scenes they love, because it's for the betterment of the full film - whether they're making something more ambiguous or striving for a tighter pace.

Well, then I guess I am wrong.

And Cliff, I had no idea about Bane's origin scene being shot. I guess I was wrong about that too. But I still like Chris Nolan. He is one of my favorite directors. Also, I am not taking anything away from Ridley. He is also a wonderful director and also one of my favorites.

[Cliff]

Originally Posted by Dark.Devil.21

That I can understand. But tell me which scenes that were cut from Prometheus wouldn't fit well into the movie. What I meant were the scenes that actually are okay to include into the movie. Prometheus deleted scenes are all suitable to be included into the movie. Especially the last fight scene between Shawn and the Engineer. In the movie, the Engineer who killed four people is shown defeated by a woman so easily. I am sure if they included the fight scene people would have been a lot more satisfied. I mean they showed parts of it in the trailer.

Paranormal Activity 3 showed best parts in the trailer only. Never in the movie. In fact they weren't even included with the extras or in the director's cut. That is just stupid.

That's the thing about a movie. A scene can be great on its own but that doesn't mean it serves the movie well. I'll give you an example...
In the extended cut of Lethal Weapon, the initial "action" introduction to Riggs is during the scene where he puts himself into the line of fire at a school-yard to stop a sniper and save children. It introduces the idea that Riggs might be unbalanced. It's an awesome scene. There's then a SECOND intro to Riggs where he taunts the drug dealer to shoot him. Also a great scene and one that ESTABLISHES that Riggs is unbalanced. The problem is, the first scene actually makes Riggs look more heroic and less suicidal, which is not the way the filmmakers want audiences to see Riggs initially. If you listen to the dialog when Riggs and Murtaugh are first talking, Murtaugh even says "Heard about your little stunt yesterday... pretty heroic." He's actually talking about the school scene, not the drug dealer scene. Now the school scene is awesome and you look at it and go, "why isn't that in the movie?" Then you see it in the movie and you realize it actually works against what the story is trying to do. Cutting the scene (as the theatrical cut did) was the right move.

I'll give you another example...
In the extended cut of Superman there's what's known as "The Gauntlet" scene. That's the scene where, as Superman is preparing to enter Lex Luther's lair, he's hit with machine guns, fire, and ice in an effort to try and stop him. Again, it's a fantastic scene in and of itself. BUT... we just had a scene not too long before that where Lex explained to Otis and Tessmacher that fire and bullets can't hurt Superman, but Kryptonite can kill him. So why then would Lex attack Superman with the very things that he already has established he knows won't hurt him? It's a scene that is great to look at, but it makes absolutely no sense within the context of the greater film.

So again, maybe Scott cut the scenes because he felt the information it provided was already given elsewhere. Maybe it was information he decided he ultimately didn't WANT to give. Or it might be that he was worried the scenes simply slowed down the film and he would lose people to bordom. The final shots of the film

[Show spoiler](where we first see the xenomorph)

were originally supposed to come after the credits rolled, but Scott hedge his bets that people might not find the ending satisfactory in a shaky-cam, Mtv, Twitter, OCD society and moved them up to close the movie. I, personally, don't think it belonged there and would have been better as a tease after the credits, but I'm not the director.

[hokuto99]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

Could you link to the product page you got the steelbook from. I love this movie, I just don't know if I can justify $40 for a steelbook.

Sure here it is:
http://www.amazon.fr/Prometheus-3D-B...9038450&sr=8-2

Usually I'm waiting a little bit to buy it on sale(still didn't pick up star wars because of that)but I guess I can't wait to see this movie again.

[antovolk]

Originally Posted by srinivas1015

It's not up on the iTunes Store. It should be available as the release date gets closer.
BOTH THE SCRIPTS ARE IN THE APP?!? SERIOSULY?? THAT IS AWESOME . ONE HELL OF A SPECIAL FEATURE!

But based on the back cover, this is region locked?

As in, you need a US iTunes store account to download...although the European BD has the app listed as well...

Just interesting as well since the leaflet on the inside in the photos posted says "look inside to learn how to get access to the app", I have a feeling it's some iTunes bonus code to get the app or something...

Anyone who has a copy of the disc able to take a look and see what it says about the app?

[Indiana Jones]

Originally Posted by srinivas1015

But based on the back cover, this is region locked?

It has already been confirmed region free.

[nekromantik]

Anyone with the disc know if there is a Android app too?

[Reubania]

Originally Posted by Dark.Devil.21

I don't understand why people think that all the questions were to be answered in the first movie. Obviously there is a sequel coming. Even if there wasn't why can't people just enjoy the movie for what it is and stop complaining about some of the questions were not answered. It wasn't a movie about Quantum Physics. So, stop being a critic and deal with it.

+1

Originally Posted by BluProofie

And a lot of the answers to the questions can be figured out if you have an imagination. Unfortunately, a lot of people who saw this film do not.

+1

Originally Posted by Dark.Devil.21

That's what makes this movie unique because if you get all the answers now, then there is no point of a sequel.

Also, at the end of the movie you see Shaw leaving with David to learn the answer to your above question. So, you can expect another movie to learn that. Personally I love the kind of movies that don't reveal much because that leaves the doors open for another movie.

+1

Originally Posted by toothybaby

I agree, that we could have had just a wee bit more info on the engineers' objective, but I like the fact that I have to come up with some of my conclusions and answers. Been a while since we had a good movie that actually makes YOU think, and when you leave a theater after seeing a movie like that, it is more fulfilling than something just thrown at you and smothering you will definitive answers. I enjoy having to use my noodles once in a while

+1. I guess Ridley has done his job well. The film really has polarised audiences and got people talking about it. I like how the story wasn't black and white and told every single objective. It just happened and we're taken for a ride that we have to decide if we want to get off. I personally like movies that has the ambiguity like Prometheus to leave things open for a possible sequel without closing all the plot holes.

[Kaiju]

Originally Posted by oly

It will probably come down in price Friday-Sunday.

Awesome! Fingers crossed.

[bigbadwoppet]

Some of the deleted scenes feature unfinished special effects. It is unrealistic to think they'd get a longer cut finished 4 months after theatrical. Wouldn't surprise me to see an extended cut in the near future.

[V400]

any reason why amazon.ca is selling the 4-disc collectors edition for $25 while the regular version is $30? Did they screw up the prices?

[UNCMT9]

Can't decide between the $5 BB trade in or go with the Target exclusive..

[Brahby]

Originally Posted by Cliff

Except in both of those cases (Avatar and Transformers) it was announced before the 1st disc was even released that a bigger edition would be forthcoming. And you're right, the initial Transformers: DOTM Blu-ray had a $10 off coupon for the 3D special edition (which they didn't have to do). If you thought the first release was just filler, you'd have been foolish to buy it. Nobody was forced to buy those initial released and, therefore, they weren't subjected to "double dipping." The best example of a double dip is Good Will Hunting, where a beefed up SE was released less than a year later, but that wasn't Lionsgate's call. They merely distribute what Miramax releases.

You also have to understand that while Fox et al. might have wanted an extended cut for the initial Blu-ray release, it isn't always up to them. Directing a movie the size and scope of Prometheus is a massive undertaking and often the LAST thing a director wants to do after spending 2+ years prepping, shooting, editing, and promoting a film of this size is go back into the editing room to create an extended cut (especially in the time crunch created if you want to get the disc out before the holiday shopping starts). There's a lot of things to consider in how these get released, but it shouldn't automatically be assumed that everyone involved with this release is just out to get you.

No one is really forced to buy anything technically. However, being a 3d owner I had the option of either waiting additional months to see it as I did in theaters or buy the 2d version and save 10 dollars when the "correct" version came out. I actually ended up waiting for it and eventually it dropped to 10 dollars on newegg so I bought it since I knew the coupon was in there and thus really making the 2d version free to hold me over. The point I was really trying to make is that regardless they knew the version they were putting out wasnt the "final" version. They put it out essentially to get money from people like me, people who own a 3d set and were going to get it on 3d but liked the movie enough to get it in 2d until the 3d version came out. Its the same thing thats going on here (or at least is rumored), give the fans just enough, but not everything that way they still have reason to get it again. I would still argue that what Transformers did was worse because at least with Prometheus you are getting exactly what you saw in the theater with the first release whereas Transformers just gave you a 2d version and excluded the 3d version. Also telling me in advance doesnt soften the blow any, if I tell you I am going to kick you in the nuts next Tuesday, will it hurt any less when I do it? Am I less of an a-hole for telling you beforehand? Again I am not arguing that I am owed anything and I absolutely have the option to pass on any and everything, I was just giving another example where the studios expected you to double dip. Maybe that expectation pertains more to 3d owners though because I certainly would have been completely satisfied with the first release if I was only concerned with watching it in 2d.

[worldchmps]

What will Best Buy sell the 3d version for? I'm reluctant to get this on Amazon if it'll be the same price at Best Buy. Then, I can use a DVD trade in from the upgrade and save sale to get $5. Even with tax, it'd still be less than Amazon. However, if they sell it for $34.99, then it makes no sense to buy in store and Amazon is better.

[Mr. Joshua]

The box cover for the 4 disc set on Amazon does not look like the one here on blu-ray.com. This is also the case for Total Recall. Are the director cuts on Amazon right?

[jmbenesh]

Originally Posted by Mr. Joshua

The box cover for the 4 disc set on Amazon does not look like the one here on blu-ray.com. This is also the case for Total Recall. Are the director cuts on Amazon right?

The ones listed on Amazon are "right", except that Amazon has yet to update the cover art.