Prometheus (2012)

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by thisisragtime

I can't convince myself to get the Target version. I'd rather use that $8 towards the actual "Art of" book.

Same. I'm getting it at BB.

[bergman864]

Originally Posted by Woodstove

Hi all, Casey Broadwater here. I'm going to be doing an interview tomorrow with Blu-ray producer/documentarian Charles de Lauzirika—who directed the three-and-a-half-hour making-of feature for Prometheus—and I just wanted to see if any of you had any burning questions for him. Lemme know, and I'll see what I can do!

Thanks,

C

Can you ask:

How difficult was it culling together so much footage for such an extensive documentary?

How much input did Ridley Scott have in the development of the script? How much came from the studio?


Hope you can get some good answers.

[gates70]

Originally Posted by UNCMT9

Problem is, people these days love all facts and questions answered. This movie didn't provide that, and as a result, some people hated it. I loved the fact that I thought about this long after I saw it and the fact that there's a sequel on the way made it even better. There's rarely a movie that doesn't have plot holes. I take a movie for what it's worth and don't analyze someone being scared or not scared of the unknown. Perhaps he waited his whole life and he was ready to embrace it? Who knows. The beauty is all in the interpretation. Plot holes or not, I was entertained.

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I enjoyed this movie despite its flaws in character logic. As for the unanswered questions, I happen to like movies that make me think, although the 'directing humanity to a bomber base' bit is quite dumb no matter how you look at it. The sequel is going to have to give me a reasonable answer for THAT one.

Don't you guys go and ruin this thread by being sensible about things

[LobsterPot]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

Others like me can't get over the fact that Vickers can't just run perpendicular to something thats

[Show spoiler]about to crush her

, why a biologist is scared of a corpse but not afraid of an alien that resembles a cobra and is acting like it wants to attack him, or why a geologist with mapping gizmos and GPS could ever get lost in the very tunnels he's mapping.

[Show spoiler]She does run to an angle until its right up on her and she panics.

Millburn never gets scared of it. He just agrees to go back because he's trying to be Fifeild's friend. also Hammerpeed looks nothing like a cobra, it's a mutated mealworm. And regardless, biologists do that all the time if you've ever seen nature documentaries.
Letting a once in a lifetime creature like that get away would be more out of character. You see his fascination more when you watch the deleted scenes.

Fifeild doesn't have access to the map. He just deploys the balls
And even if he had have had the map instead of Janek (which he didn't) it's equivalent to taking a wrong turn using GPS.

What bologna criticisms
which you could do to any film if you're not paying attention.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by LobsterPot

[Show spoiler]She does run to an angle until its right up on her and she panics.

Yeah, that criticism drives me crazy. There's a wide shot where you can clearly see them both running at an angle, but the Juggernaut turns in that direction with them. Not to mention, they've got debris falling every which which way all the while.

[LobsterPot]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

As for the unanswered questions, I happen to like movies that make me think, although the 'directing humanity to a bomber base' bit is quite dumb no matter how you look at it.

The purpose obviously changed since their original messages as something horrible happened.

[Show spoiler]They were was a religious temples with primordial transcendence genetic liquid
Becoming an alien raises your body to perfection
like the worm's original abilities being enhanced (regrowth etc)

[UNCMT9]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

Yeah, that criticism drives me crazy. There's a wide shot where you can clearly see them both running at an angle, but the Juggernaut turns in that direction with them. Not to mention, they've got debris falling every which which way all the while.

I like how people that think it's a "flaw" act like they'd know exactly what they'd do when being crushed by an alien ship. Maybe they've been abducted in the past??

[SirMontyPython]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

As far as leaps of logic go, I don't see why this film gets picked apart so much when there's plenty of other films that suffer such instances of logic gaps, and don't get nearly so much grief.

Extremely high expectations?

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

As far as leaps of logic go, I don't see why this film gets picked apart so much when there's plenty of other films that suffer such instances of logic gaps, and don't get nearly so much grief.

I know. Very few people complain about how inaccurate Stormtroopers are (that Obi Wan describes as "precise"), or how impossible Indiana Jones's survival ability is, or how Batman or Robocop are never shot in the mouth, and so on...

People wanted this movie to be perfect, and I totally understand that, but it didn't end up as so, so rather than criticize it fairly on its strengths and weaknesses, they just call it crap. It really shows the differences in emotional maturity from one person to the next. When these types of people are let down, they lash out. I understand the feeling, but people shouldn't give into it so easily and completely.

Originally Posted by SirMontyPython

Extremely high expectations?

I'd say that accounts for a large portion of the disappointment, but to be fair, not all of it. Some people didn't like this because they did want to see Scott's Alien part 2, and that is a legitimate reason to be disappointed IMHO. I loved that they tried a new direction myself.

[UNCMT9]

Originally Posted by SirMontyPython

Extremely high expectations?

I think the marketing lended to a lot of hate. People tend to bash things more if the massive hype doesn't meet their expectations. It was just an easy target for some. I think if we didn't see commercials every 10 minutes, some people wouldn't have hated it as bad.

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by SirMontyPython

Extremely high expectations?

I guess so. People probably expected another Blade Runner or Alien, one of which got poor reviews when it first came out (if I'm not mistaken). So we'll see in 20 years.

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by LobsterPot

[Show spoiler]She does run to an angle until its right up on her and she panics.

Millburn never gets scared of it. He just agrees to go back because he's trying to be Fifeild's friend. also Hammerpeed looks nothing like a cobra, it's a mutated mealworm. And regardless, biologists do that all the time if you've ever seen nature documentaries.
Letting a once in a lifetime creature like that get away would be more out of character. You see his fascination more when you watch the deleted scenes.

Fifeild doesn't have access to the map. He just deploys the balls
And even if he had have had the map instead of Janek (which he didn't) it's equivalent to taking a wrong turn using GPS.

What bologna criticisms
which you could do to any film if you're not paying attention.

You've made my point. Thanks.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by gates70

Don't you guys go and ruin this thread by being sensible about things

Sorry about that. I'll try to inflame the thread more in the future.

Wait, I thought that's what the Star Wars thread was for?

[UNCMT9]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

You've made my point. Thanks.

Sounds like he gave a decent argument why the "plot holes" aren't a huge deal.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by UNCMT9

I think the marketing lended to a lot of hate. People tend to bash things more if the massive hype doesn't meet their expectations. It was just an easy target for some. I think if we didn't see commercials every 10 minutes, some people wouldn't have hated it as bad.

I've been learning how to calm my excitement a week or two before theatrical release. Several movies failed to meet my expectations because I set the bar too high, and I have learned to relax just before a movie opens (as I did with this movie) and it really helps. The failures of the Star Wars prequels taught me a lot about going in too excited, although I still don't like those particular movies even after the smoke has all cleared.

I go in on an even keel with an open mind now, and take the movies for what they are, not what I built them up to be in my mind. It makes moviegoing that much more pleasurable (well, at least when the movie isn't a total stinker anyway).

[UNCMT9]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I've been learning how to calm my excitement a week or two before theatrical release. Several movies failed to meet my expectations because I set the bar too high, and I have learned to relax just before a movie opens (as I did with this movie) and it really helps. The failures of the Star Wars prequels taught me a lot about going in too excited, although I still don't like those particular movies even after the smoke has all cleared.

I go in on an even keel with an open mind now, and take the movies for what they are, not what I built them up to be in my mind. It makes moviegoing that much more pleasurable (well, at least when the movie isn't a total stinker anyway).

You have to. I think people expect perfection with a lot of films and it's very rare. Even terrible movies, I usually find something I can enjoy.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Woodstove

Hi all, Casey Broadwater here. I'm going to be doing an interview tomorrow with Blu-ray producer/documentarian Charles de Lauzirika—who directed the three-and-a-half-hour making-of feature for Prometheus—and I just wanted to see if any of you had any burning questions for him. Lemme know, and I'll see what I can do!

Thanks,

C

Please express my gratitude on what appears to be another excellent job (I won't have my shipment of the 4 disc collection for a few days). I have been enthusiastic about his work on the Alien Anthology since purchase. It contains a wealth of well organized material and I have thoroughly examined every nook and cranny of it. His work on the Enhancement Archive on Blade Runner is excellent, as well. The inclusion of the Philip K. Dick The Blade Runner Interviews, was a masterful touch. Listening to Dick turn from a miffed author into a fan, blown away by Scott's visuals should be required listening for anyone who has the Blade Runner Collector's Edition.

Two questions: Are the extras on the U.K. Steelbook discs any different from those on the U.S. Collector's edition? And, what other BD's has he provided the extras for? I would consider buying them just to see his work.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by UNCMT9

You have to. I think people expect perfection with a lot of films and it's very rare. Even terrible movies, I usually find something I can enjoy.

+1

Actually, there are a lot of terrible movies that are extremely enjoyable. Ask any Corman or horror movie fan.

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by UNCMT9

Sounds like he gave a decent argument why the "plot holes" aren't a huge deal.

I never said they were plot holes. And it wasn't an issue with me paying attention. I gave the film my full attention each time I saw it. I said they were characters acting nonsensically. Millburn was definitely acting scared when they discovered the corpse. Especially when he said "Yeah, ship good." That worm looking thing was definitely acting like a cobra, making a defensive display of aggression. No one in their right mind would try to touch that thing. Especially someone that's already scared shitless. When it comes to Vickers, it is pretty clear she's running in a straight line under what's

[Show spoiler]about to crush and kill her

. Even under panic, a person with her level of intelligence would have realized that running perpendicular to the thing that's

[Show spoiler]about to crush her

would have easily

[Show spoiler]saved her life

. Debris falling or not, she stood a better chance not running in a straight line. And Fifield and Millburn had their exact coordinates on the computers on their arm. And still got lost. Yeah.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

Millburn was definitely acting scared when they discovered the corpse. Especially when he said "Yeah, ship good." That worm looking thing was definitely acting like a cobra, making a defensive display of aggression. No one in their right mind would try to touch that thing. Especially someone that's already scared shitless. When it comes to Vickers, it is pretty clear she's running in a straight line under what's

[Show spoiler]about to crush and kill her

. Even under panic, a person with her level of intelligence would have realized that running perpendicular to the thing that's

[Show spoiler]about to crush her

would have easily

[Show spoiler]saved her life

. Debris falling or not, she stood a better chance not running in a straight line. And Fifield and Millburn had their exact
coordinates on the computers on their arm. And still got lost. Yeah.

Legit. And the disappointing part is simple fixes could have resulted in the same movie with less issues. Why not just have Milburn be disappointed he had to go run off to babysit his friend? Why not have the girls zig zag and then

[Show spoiler]Vickers be unlucky when the ship turned in her direction

...and so on?

I still love this film though, but the people who point out its issues have a valid case.