Prometheus (2012)

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by groove93

Fifield's reactions can be compared to Lambert's. He studies rocks, that's why he was hired, but when you're literally out of your element surrounded by dead bodies of an unknown lifeform, I'd say his behavior was justified. He wanted to get back to the ship because he was scared, plain and simple.

Milburn, I treat his character like any animal expert. Those crazy scientists that walk up to a lion and want to pet it, or swim with sharks, that's Milburn IMO.

Agree on Fifield, but you're really reaching on Milburn. His actions were unrealistic. What does ANYONE do when confronted with a snake twitching his rattler? They don't try to pet it, I'll tell you that!

[ToEhrIsHuman]

The thing about Fifield that cracks me up the most is

[Show spoiler]he's the guy who is responsible for mapping the alien pyramid site yet he's the one who ends up lost.

[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by groove93

Fifield's reactions can be compared to Lambert's. He studies rocks, that's why he was hired, but when you're literally out of your element surrounded by dead bodies of an unknown lifeform, I'd say his behavior was justified. He wanted to get back to the ship because he was scared, plain and simple.

Milburn, I treat his character like any animal expert. Those crazy scientists that walk up to a lion and want to pet it, or swim with sharks, that's Milburn IMO.

When you first see him in the dining area and Milburn introduces himself I got the impression THEN that Fifield was a bit....off.

[Show spoiler]The way he sat there sipping his soup with both hands, the way he spoke to Milburn, and the look in his eyes just spelled out to me that this guy could snap at any moment. As for the them finding the bodies, well its not like they were fresh bodies er anything...theyd been there for quite some time and that was mentioned early on so not sure WHY he would freak out so much about it when these things are practically fossils.

[Show spoiler]Yeah...but lions and sharks aren't anything new and people know damn near everything there is to know about them. He was approaching an alien lifeform that he knew absolutely NOTHING about. Now I know some scientists are probably gung-ho about things they are familiar with but in this instance...it didn't make alot of sense, if any.

[groove93]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Agree on Fifield, but you're really reaching on Milburn. His actions were unrealistic. What does ANYONE do when confronted with a snake twitching his rattler? They don't try to pet it, I'll tell you that!

Not necessarily true, and that has to do with Culture and learned habits.

[FilmBufffff]

Well after watching Prometheus twice since picking it up yesterday(once in 3D and once in 2D with the writer's commentary) I can safely say that I feel it's a really good movie. I also saw it twice in theaters and while hating it the first viewing I thought it was much better the second time. My problems with how the characters acted and the fact that the black goo can seem to do anything have eased quite a bit. I've also gotten over the fact that there are no facehuggers, chestbursters, or xenomorphs to be found(except for that last shot).

Which brings me to my only real problem with the film, that last shot. I feel like it either shouldn't have been there at all so as not to be considered a prequel to Alien or it should have gone all the way. By that I mean that the engineer should have woken up and stumbled to another one of the ships trying still to complete his mission. Once he's in the air the chestburster/xenomorph/possible queen should've bursted out sending him crashing to a nearby planet(LV-426) thus ending with the same shot but linking it better to Alien.

I don't know why but it really bothers me and I feel that if they ended it the way I described above the movie could truly stand on its own without needing any sequels, though I would not mind if there were. It would also make it a true prequel to the original Alien and that would explain how while during the marketing Scott and Lindelof kept being coy about it being a prequel or not because with my ending it would have been both, a standalone movie set in the Alien universe and a prequel to Alien. Just sayin!

[Mr.Twinks]

[Show spoiler]I agree the Worm scene was kinda funny because most scientist would not try to interact with an unknown creature like that. But remember Kane in Alien did do the not so smart thing by touching the egg, then looking down it.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by groove93

Not necessarily true, and that has to do with Culture and learned habits.

Yeah, they're called survival habits, the most powerful influential force in the human mind. He's a specialist of life fer godsakes, he knows the signs of animal posturing prior to an attack.

[groove93]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

When you first see him in the dining area and Milburn introduces himself I got the impression THEN that Fifield was a bit....off.

[Show spoiler]The way he sat there sipping his soup with both hands, the way he spoke to Milburn, and the look in his eyes just spelled out to me that this guy could snap at any moment. As for the them finding the bodies, well its not like they were fresh bodies er anything...theyd been there for quite some time and that was mentioned early on so not sure WHY he would freak out so much about it when these things are practically fossils.

[Show spoiler]Yeah...but lions and sharks aren't anything new and people know damn near everything there is to know about them. He was approaching an alien lifeform that he knew absolutely NOTHING about. Now I know some scientists are probably gung-ho about things they are familiar with but in this instance...it didn't make alot of sense, if any.

I don't know. I've never been in the Military or been around dead bodies in my life. Listening to my brother tell me stories of what he went through during his tours in Iraq with regards to death and carnage, fossils, dead bodies, dead aliens piled up at a door, soiling my pants would be an understatement.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Mr.Twinks

[Show spoiler]I agree the Worm scene was kinda funny because most scientist would not try to interact with an unknown creature like that. But remember Kane in Alien did do the not so smart thing by touching the egg, then looking down it.

Kane is a truck driver, and if you read the book, you would also know he was a treasure seeking opportunist.

[itMFtis]

I thought it was plausible that Fifield wanted to leave after discovering the first engineer body, but wasn't Milburn a biologist? Didn't feel it was in his character to not examine it or otherwise continue on.

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

The surgery was the most intense part of the film.

Definitely intense, but that seemed closer to an action sequence than horror. Maybe because it was spliced with the Fifield attack.

[CF FilmFan]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I chalk it up to ego and power.

[Show spoiler]Weyland

did not want any personality on his ship that was a superior force to his own. He only needed scietists for basic purposes, as his goal was never exploration and discovery, but for contact to feed his own ends. Shaw was the only force that ended up putting a kink in his plans.

Think about it. Had that been a real scientific expedition, the crew would have been triple in size. You don't want one biologist for a alien contact mission, you want a lab full of them.

Excellent, that certainly explains a lot. Even with the smaller crew size, they had nothing lined up and thought out in terms of how to approach things methodically (aka proceed with caution), once they landed on that planet. Each crew member had their own method of thinking and some their own hidden agendas. As a result of poor planning and disfunctional teamwork, many paid with their lives.

At least that's how I see things...

[Mr.Twinks]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Kane is a truck driver, and if you read the book, you would also know he was a treasure seeking opportunist.

True but not having common sense can kill you, and it did in Kane's case.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Mr.Twinks

True but not having common sense can kill you, and it did in Kane's case.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by FilmBufffff

Which brings me to my only real problem with the film, that last shot. I feel like it either shouldn't have been there at all so as not to be considered a prequel to Alien or it should have gone all the way. By that I mean that the engineer should have woken up and stumbled to another one of the ships trying still to complete his mission. Once he's in the air the chestburster/xenomorph/possible queen should've bursted out sending him crashing to a nearby planet(LV-426) thus ending with the same shot but linking it better to Alien.

That last shot was more than just fan service, but follows the main theme of the film: the unintended, unpredictable side effect of creation. Engineers created humans, humans created robots, and the actions of a robot ultimately created a new species. Storywise, the whole point of David infecting Holloway... the whole point of Shaw being impregnated... the whole point of the Trilobite... was the buildup to the creation and birth of the Deacon (alien). Taking away that last shot pretty much makes those aforementioned plot points irrelevant in the film. If you are going to remove the Deacon, you might as well remove David infecting Holloway and the resulting consequences of that action.

[CF FilmFan]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

That last shot was more than just fan service, but follows the main theme of the film: the unintended, unpredictable side effect of creation. Engineers created humans, humans created robots, and the actions of a robot ultimately created a new species. Storywise, the whole point of David infecting Holloway... the whole point of Shaw being impregnated... the whole point of the Trilobite... was the buildup to the creation and birth of the Deacon (alien). Taking away that last shot pretty much makes those aforementioned plot points irrelevant in the film. If you are going to remove the Deacon, you might as well remove David infecting Holloway and the resulting consequences of that action.

Now this makes perfect sense to me.

[Skemekos23]

Originally Posted by FilmBufffff

Well after watching Prometheus twice since picking it up yesterday(once in 3D and once in 2D with the writer's commentary) I can safely say that I feel it's a really good movie. I also saw it twice in theaters and while hating it the first viewing I thought it was much better the second time. My problems with how the characters acted and the fact that the black goo can seem to do anything have eased quite a bit. I've also gotten over the fact that there are no facehuggers, chestbursters, or xenomorphs to be found(except for that last shot).

Which brings me to my only real problem with the film, that last shot. I feel like it either shouldn't have been there at all so as not to be considered a prequel to Alien or it should have gone all the way. By that I mean that the engineer should have woken up and stumbled to another one of the ships trying still to complete his mission. Once he's in the air the chestburster/xenomorph/possible queen should've bursted out sending him crashing to a nearby planet(LV-426) thus ending with the same shot but linking it better to Alien.

I don't know why but it really bothers me and I feel that if they ended it the way I described above the movie could truly stand on its own without needing any sequels, though I would not mind if there were. It would also make it a true prequel to the original Alien and that would explain how while during the marketing Scott and Lindelof kept being coy about it being a prequel or not because with my ending it would have been both, a standalone movie set in the Alien universe and a prequel to Alien. Just sayin!

Your ending would have been MUCH better!

[itMFtis]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

That last shot was more than just fan service, but follows the main theme of the film: the unintended, unpredictable side effect of creation. Engineers created humans, humans created robots, and the actions of a robot ultimately created a new species. Storywise, the whole point of David infecting Holloway... the whole point of Shaw being impregnated... the whole point of the Trilobite... was the buildup to the creation and birth of the Deacon (alien). Taking away that last shot pretty much makes those aforementioned plot points irrelevant in the film. If you are going to remove the Deacon, you might as well remove David infecting Holloway and the resulting consequences of that action.

Problem with that is that the engineers knew of the aliens (xenos) beforehand, as shown through images in the container room. The image was shown real clear in the trailer, then only somewhat clear in the movie. I believe Holloway gets a good look at it right around when he sees that green crystal thing.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by itMFtis

Problem with that is that the engineers knew of the aliens (xenos) beforehand, as shown through images in the container room.

Whether the Deacon is a prototype "alien" or it's own unique species does not negate the fact that a new species was ultimately created... making that last shot crucial to the narrative of the film and the events that precede it.

[moviecriticsonline]

I just love knowing that my 3D copy of Prometheus is already sold out at Best Buy.

[IlGialloMondadori]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Yes, the character behaviors are a step backwards for the horror genre. I think we've all grown past the moron walking into the basement with a half-working flashlight bit by now.

But for me, the film's flaws do not outweigh its strengths. I chuckle at the stupidity of the biologist running from a dead alien specimen but sticking his face in what is clearly an animal displaying hostile intentions. It's dumb, but it doesn't do enough damage to make me hate the film.

Now show me the Anakin and Padme love scenes again and I'll kindly ask you to rake your nails over a chalkboard while I gargle with broken glass.

I can totally accept that, that you're okay with acknowledging that there are flaws, but the strengths outweigh them. For some reason, it bothers me, a lot, more than any other movie, when I see people defending some of the poor writing in Prometheus, haha. It's a flaw I have.

Yeah, those are some of the worst scenes in Hollywood film making history. I know this is also a point of contention, but I'll put some of the low points of Crystal Skull in there for being just as offensive, but that's just me.