Prometheus (2012)

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by Skemekos23

The worms are slightly bigger than maggot size in the film. In the DS, they show them grown to about the size of a human hand.

Thank you.

[xSeanZx]

So I watched this for the first time last night and absolutely loved it.

Im about to dive into the 3D version

[IlGialloMondadori]

Originally Posted by CF FilmFan

There is a deleted scene that may (or may not) explain this behavior. In the DS, the crew finds a smaller version of the alien rattler. They all look it over and talk a bit. It seems harmless. The biologist cups this specimen and the crew continued on their quest inside the pyramid.

Later and in the final cut of the film, when he encounters a full sized version of one these beings, he reacts with a sort of familiarity (this theory is up for debate). Since the other one was harmless, surely this one is too? Watch that DS and let me know what you think.

If it were me and that thing reered its head, the instinct to run and survive would have definitely taken over.

Yeah, me too. Hell, baby polar bears are pretty cute. Full grown polar bears in the wild, I'll keep my distance, thank you. Lots of baby versions of animals are okay. Lots of adult versions are pretty darn nasty. You'd think a biologist would know this. But, maybe the Blade Runner / Alienverse really are connected, and there aren't many animals left.

Nah. Now that would be stupid.

[FilmBufffff]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

That last shot was more than just fan service, but follows the main theme of the film: the unintended, unpredictable side effect of creation. Engineers created humans, humans created robots, and the actions of a robot ultimately created a new species. Storywise, the whole point of David infecting Holloway... the whole point of Shaw being impregnated... the whole point of the Trilobite... was the buildup to the creation and birth of the Deacon (alien). Taking away that last shot pretty much makes those aforementioned plot points irrelevant in the film. If you are going to remove the Deacon, you might as well remove David infecting Holloway and the resulting consequences of that action.

I couldn't disagree more. All David was doing was following Weyland's orders by "trying harder" to find a way to save Weyland from dying of old age. The deacon was just a happy accident that came out of that experimentation. They say as much in the writer's commentary. You absolutely don't need it at the end unless you're tying it to Alien and my point was that if you're going to do that go all the way with it.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by bsweetness

Well, we have no actual way of knowing that (at least not until an extended version is released), but certainly at least some of the scenes that might be included in an extended version (if not most of the scenes) would probably come from them. In the interview with Charles de Lauzirika (who crafted The Furious Gods documentary on the making of Prometheus) on the front page of this site, he says that the included deleted scenes were chosen by editor Pietro Scalia and approved by Ridley Scott. Given that, I'd guess that they represent the best of what was cut (and as the article says, the "most coherent"), so an extended cut would probably use many of those scenes (although we don't know if they all would be used or if other deleted scenes that aren't on the Blu-ray might be incorporated).

Yes. This implies that a lot of footage exists that didn't make it onto the extended/deleted scenes on the BD. Probably a lot of Hard R footage.

"With the studio still undecided as to whether to make Prometheus a 12A, or go for a more full-blooded approach, Ridley Scott and his filmmakers decided to “Start clean and go dirty” as Scanlan describes it. The now infamous med-pod scene, for example, was shot with as many as five different cameras, and while the version seen in the finished film was arguably its most disturbing moment, Scanlan suggests that it could have been gorier still.

“I remember one of the last things I did to poor Noomi was literally pour half a pint of blood all over her in one enormous splatter,” Scanlan told us. “There does exist, somewhere in the archives, some really quite horrific footage!”

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/2296...ehind-the-film

I would surmise that we will see an extended cut on the special features of the Prometheus Trilogy when it is released on BD around 2016.

[Forever Knight]

If I had to chose between sex and the PQ this Blu-ray gives us I'd chose sex but I'd be thinking about the PQ the entire time.

[bsweetness]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Yes. This implies that a lot of footage exists that didn't make it onto the extended/deleted scenes on the BD. Probably a lot of Hard R footage.

"With the studio still undecided as to whether to make Prometheus a 12A, or go for a more full-blooded approach, Ridley Scott and his filmmakers decided to “Start clean and go dirty” as Scanlan describes it. The now infamous med-pod scene, for example, was shot with as many as five different cameras, and while the version seen in the finished film was arguably its most disturbing moment, Scanlan suggests that it could have been gorier still.

“I remember one of the last things I did to poor Noomi was literally pour half a pint of blood all over her in one enormous splatter,” Scanlan told us. “There does exist, somewhere in the archives, some really quite horrific footage!”

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/2296...ehind-the-film

I would surmise that we will see an extended cut on the special features of the Prometheus Trilogy when it is released on BD around 2016.

I don't know if there would be a lot of additional hard R footage. The discussion of going for PG-13 or R is briefly detailed in The Furious Gods documentary, including a video comparison of the PG-13 and R versions of the scene in the med-pod (along with a video of what appears to be exactly what your quote describes). Based upon what's said in the documentary, it didn't seem like they left much gore out for the sake of anything other than what Ridley did and didn't want (and attempting to avoid things looking somewhat comical, which the "enormous splatter" of blood in the med-pod scene did).

[IlGialloMondadori]

One thing I'm grateful for with regard to Prometheus is that Ridley and Lindelof didn't go ahead and literally put in that Jesus was an emissary of the Engineers, and they hate us because we crucified him. That's just offensively dumb. It's still hinted at in the movie, unfortunately, but thankfully they left out any explicit references to it.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by willbfree

Because the mission wasn't really a science mission at all, it was staffed with bottom of the barrel scientists. Just enough to look good on paper, and satisfy the objections of the Weyland board. But really it was just a ferry ride, the only crewmembers who mattered were the robot and maybe - maybe - the new age scientists who found the original message. The scientists act incompetent because they are incompetent. Even the pilot of the ship is too lazy to attend crew meetings - he's more concerned with decorating his Christmas tree. The movie telegraphs this over and over again, and explains it in a conversation.

Exactly. The mission was all about

[Show spoiler]Weyland and his quest for immortality

. The mission was cloaked in secrecy. The 'scientists' were along for the ride, to make Shaw and Holloway think they had some credible support for their theory. Weyland ("We are the gods now" from the TED talk) was

[Show spoiler]near death, having to be sustained in stasis for the trip

. This was Weyland's

[Show spoiler] last gasp attempt at prolonging his life. He is the flawed Prometheus trying to wrest immortality (ratrher than fire) from the gods.

It is difficult to understand why people are having difficulty with this concept.

[Filmmaker]

Having now watched all of the deleted scenes, I can say with relief that every one of them unreservedly deserved to be cut (well, the Janek/Vickers scene does offer some virtues, so I waffle a bit there). Many instances of really atrocious, very forced dialog hit the cutting room floor, and good riddance, I say! If this is what would have made up an extended director's cut, then I applaud Ridley Scott for foregoing his normal practice and not extending any of it one bit. We got the best version of the film as it played in theatres.

[Nikka488]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

Having now watched all of the deleted scenes, I can say with relief that every one of them unreservedly deserved to be cut (well, the Janek/Vickers scene does offer some virtues, so I waffle a bit there). Many instances of really atrocious, very forced dialog hit the cutting room floor, and good riddance, I say! If this is what would have made up an extended director's cut, then I applaud Ridley Scott for foregoing his normal practice and not extending any of it one bit. We got the best version of the film as it played in theatres.

What did you think of the alternate Fifield scene that WETA did? Personally I liked that design better. I wish they had used that instead of what we got.

[IlGialloMondadori]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Exactly. The mission was all about

[Show spoiler]Weyland and his quest for immortality

. The mission was cloaked in secrecy. The 'scientists' were along for the ride, to make Shaw and Holloway think they had some credible support for their theory. Weyland ("We are the gods now" from the TED talk) was

[Show spoiler]near death, having to be sustained in stasis for the trip

. This was Weyland's

[Show spoiler] last gasp attempt at prolonging his life. He is the flawed Prometheus trying to wrest immortality (ratrher than fire) from the gods.

It is difficult to understand why people are having difficulty with this concept.

Because it's a dumb plan? Staffing your ship with terrible, poorly behaved people is an awful, awful plan. If that's the case, then the whole film becomes a comedy. They had no idea what they'd find there. Staffing it up with scientists who could figure it out would surely be a good idea.

[NexusVerbal]

Amazon seems to be preventing people from listing their used copies of the 3D Edition for sale on the site. I think they're trying to prevent people from cutting into their sales numbers.

So I listed my 3D copy (The Disc Only), under the 2D edition if anyone's interested. You should find it there, under my username here.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by IlGialloMondadori

One thing I'm grateful for with regard to Prometheus is that Ridley and Lindelof didn't go ahead and literally put in that Jesus was an emissary of the Engineers, and they hate us because we crucified him. That's just offensively dumb. It's still hinted at in the movie, unfortunately, but thankfully they left out any explicit references to it.

That actually would have been cool. Though would be kind of dumb to eradicate an entire planet for crucifying one person.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by IlGialloMondadori

Because it's a dumb plan? Staffing your ship with terrible, poorly behaved people is an awful, awful plan. If that's the case, then the whole film becomes a comedy. They had no idea what they'd find there. Staffing it up with scientists who could figure it out would surely be a good idea.

How would you maintain the secrecy surrounding the mission? Would any scientist of any stature agree to go on a mission of this sort? They were provided no information and, in fact, didn't know who else was on the mission until they were taken out of stasis near their destination. They had to be nobodies.

Even Shaw was expendable in David's

[Show spoiler]quest to find immortality for Weyland, hence the gooing of Holloway with the resultant impregnation of Shaw. She and the resultant offspring (trilobite) ceased to be of importance only when David discovered the Engineer in stasis.

[IlGialloMondadori]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

How would you maintain the secrecy surrounding the mission? Would any scientist of any stature agree to go on a mission of this sort? They were provided no information and, in fact, didn't know who else was on the mission until they were taken out of stasis near their destination. They had to be nobodies.

Well, exactly. What scientist indeed? That's a major writing problem, and it shouldn't be explained away by saying Weyland hired morons. What secrecy is he concerned about? That's never clear. He funded a multi-trillion mission to an unknown world, so probably all of Earth already knows that.

[Sephiroth5929]

Originally Posted by Skemekos23

QFT!!!
This film is a walking religious undertone/overtone film.

Great, and by that I mean that sucks. I really don't like religious films, except for ones that make fun of it.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by FilmBufffff

I couldn't disagree more. All David was doing was following Weyland's orders by "trying harder" to find a way to save Weyland from dying of old age. The deacon was just a happy accident that came out of that experimentation. They say as much in the writer's commentary. You absolutely don't need it at the end unless you're tying it to Alien and my point was that if you're going to do that go all the way with it.

Agree to disagree. From a storytelling and thematic standpoint, the last shot is very important. Though David, the character, didn't infect Holloway with the intent to create the Deacon, an obviously unforeseen consequence, the payoff to that particular subplot was always designed to be the Deacon and wasn't just a mere afterthought tacked on. Remove the Deacon, and it makes the Holloway gets infected, Shaw gets pregnant and gives birth to the Trilobite, and Trilobite "mates" with Engineer subplot largely irrelevant. If you wanted them to go all out in connecting it to Alien, instead of the more subtle approach the film took, that's definitely your opinion to have. I, however, happened to love the film's approach, including that last shot.

[IlGialloMondadori]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth5929

Great, and by that I mean that sucks. I really don't like religious films, except for ones that make fun of it.

Yeah, it's much more concerned with religion and faith than anything else.

[xSeanZx]

Originally Posted by IlGialloMondadori

Well, exactly. What scientist indeed? That's a major writing problem, and it shouldn't be explained away by saying Weyland hired morons. What secrecy is he concerned about? That's never clear. He funded a multi-trillion mission to an unknown world, so probably all of Earth already knows that.

Yes, obviously the Earth knows about it, but the Earth knows about it as "Humanity's mission to find our creator" . It is of great importance to people on Earth.

If he spent trillions on a trip to a new planet to find immortality for HIMSELF, do you think that would look good for the Weyland corporation?

You are nitpicking so much it is ridiculous. The big picture of this film is so clear.