Prometheus (2012)

[IlGialloMondadori]

I will say, as others have said here, its interesting the film provokes such intense reactions. It's hated or loved, without much in between. I'm not sure I've seen a film that's split the audiences so much.

[AlexSing]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Guys, I love this movie just as much as you do, but all of these justifications are silly. Digging through blu-ray extras to make sense of everything is a piss-poor way of making up for this film's shortcomings.

Just call it for what it is and be done with it:
A good movie with some dumb parts.

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[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by FilmBufffff

Well said and I appreciate the discussion friend. I totally understand the theme you're referring to but my entire point is that it's too subtle. It's just not enough for me to just see this Deacon born when all is said and done. I'm glad it was enough for you but to me it felt like the biggest tease ever and not the payoff I feel was needed at that point. At least without it the film stands on its own without feeling like a cheap gag to link it with Alien. Going all the way with it though would make the film feel more complete. IN MY OPINION.

Who knew civil discussions and debates were possible around here?

[Sephiroth5929]

Mine got half way through before it started pixelating and it won't stop.

[Skemekos23]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth5929

Mine got half way through before it started pixelating and it won't stop.

You probably made the Gods furious!

[Sephiroth5929]

Originally Posted by Skemekos23

You probably made the Gods furious!

someone else posted about it and put up pics also

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by 42041

now there's a stretch... If the characters' behavior is unbelievable then it completely fails as any sort of comment on the "human condition", which pretty much by definition has to reflect some iota of actual human behavior.

Talking about "believable" in a sci fi film is a slippery slope. The scientists acted like humans--that is not in question. The question is why they acted like stupid, self-centered humans, which is not the usual stereotype of scientists. And the answer is because the entire narrative sets up faith to trump empiricism.

[Sons Of Sparda]

Originally Posted by DJTommy

does anyone that has picked up the standard blu-ray+dvd+digital copy from target know if it came with art booklet or was that for the 3d version packaging?

If it had a red and white sticker on the front than yes it's supposed come with the art booklet.

[scoogs]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Agree to disagree. From a storytelling and thematic standpoint, the last shot is very important. Though David, the character, didn't infect Holloway with the intent to create the Deacon, an obviously unforeseen consequence, the payoff to that particular subplot was always designed to be the Deacon and wasn't just a mere afterthought tacked on. Remove the Deacon, and it makes the Holloway gets infected, Shaw gets pregnant and gives birth to the Trilobite, and Trilobite "mates" with Engineer subplot largely irrelevant. If you wanted them to go all out in connecting it to Alien, instead of the more subtle approach the film took, that's definitely your opinion to have. I, however, happened to love the film's approach, including that last shot.

Overall I liked the movie, but The Deacon subplot is where it doesn't hold together for me. What's the purpose of including that shot? Is it to establish that particular Deacon as the source of the xenomorphs or is it just another (obvious) visual link to show us that the engineers created the xenomorphs as well?

If it's supposed to be the source, I see several problems.
Isn't the Deacon shown in the wall artwork earlier in the film when they first enter the chamber? That implies to me a creature that was previously created by the engineers. However, we then we have the relatively random/accidental breeding path of the black goo DNA producing the same creature at the end of the film? I don't buy that.

Another point contradicting or eliminating it as the source, according to the review on this site of the extras:

A collection of internet promo videos, presented within a dossier of sorts, with notes from Weyland, the most revealing of which suggests that Weyland's scientists detected a signal coming from LV-426—the moon from the first Alien film—and that Weyland considered it a secondary objective.

That would establish that the ship full of xenomorph eggs already exists, which completely eliminates the Deacon we see as the source.

Now if the Deacons as a species have been around for a long time, I could buy that the engineers eventually developed them into the xenomorphs. Problem there (for me) is the path the film takes for the creation of the Deacon doesn't work with that. The films creation of the Deacon is so "accidental" that it left me with a negative association to Anakin blowing up the control ship in The Phantom Menace.

Now keep in mind that I haven't seen Prometheus since opening day in the theater, so I may have missed or forgotten something. This is just something that's been bugging me about the movie all Summer.

[DJTommy]

Originally Posted by Sons Of Sparda

If it had a red and white sticker on the front than yes it's supposed come with the art booklet.

theres no way for me to tell since i ordered it from target.com and they NEVER updated to the actual covers. Thats why im asking

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth5929

Please don't tell me this has some sort of religious overtones or undertones.

If it does, I might have to re-think this purchase. I like my Sci-Fi movies to be scientific, not some religious crap.

It's not religious, but it is an exploration of the consciousness of "faith" in the same way that Alien was an exploration of the consciousness of "other".

[tkbryant]

Originally Posted by IlGialloMondadori

I will say, as others have said here, its interesting the film provokes such intense reactions. It's hated or loved, without much in between. I'm not sure I've seen a film that's split the audiences so much.

Inception did the same thing. I loved it but had tons of friends who didn't get it at all. Even when I tried explaining things, they just continued to tear it apart. Just like Prometheus, you either get it or you don't. People will find a way to tear any movie they don't like apart even when things can be explained.

[Sons Of Sparda]

Would be hard to say but doubt you will get the exclusive version being it's not in the listing. Target.com will usually have a listing for the exclusive that is separate from the normal release. When ordering from target.com it's always a gamble in away because some exclusives are in store only.

[Skemekos23]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth5929

someone else posted about it and put up pics also

I dont think he said he only likes religious films when they are making fun of religion!
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[Show spoiler]Im just joking with you.

[AlexSing]

Originally Posted by tkbryant

Just like Prometheus, you either get it or you don't. .

So just to be clear, you're saying that anyone that doesn't like it actually doesn't get it?

[besi]

Originally Posted by tkbryant

Inception did the same thing. I loved it but had tons of friends who didn't get it at all. Even when I tried explaining things, they just continued to tear it apart. Just like Prometheus, you either get it or you don't. People will find a way to tear any movie they don't like apart even when things can be explained.

yes it was confusing for some people but Inception was 100% better ,writing ,story,characters ...etc
actually I cared about the characters in Inception but in Prometheus I didn't give a flying f...about any of them. (David was okay,but that's all)

[jblank]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Guys, I love this movie just as much as you do, but all of these justifications are silly. Digging through blu-ray extras to make sense of everything is a piss-poor way of making up for this film's shortcomings.

Just call it for what it is and be done with it:
A good movie with some dumb parts.

I disagree and it's completely plausible considering they basically had been exposed to it for quite some time. We know for a fact, through the Twitter info for the film, that inhaling the vapor causes what I described, so what is the problem exactly with what I said?

[jblank]

Originally Posted by AlexSing

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Hardly.

[Hawkguy]

Originally Posted by AlexSing

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I agree with that---I think it's a fair evaluation.

[tkbryant]

Originally Posted by besi

yes it was confusing for some people but Inception was 100% better ,writing ,story,characters ...etc
actually I cared about the characters in Inception but in Prometheus I didn't give a flying f...about any of them. (David was okay,but that's all)

Well I don't think it has a better story, it's unique for sure and there certainly a TON of plot holes in that movie as well if you wanna be analytical about it. I mean Leo's character wasn't the best guy leading his team down that far when he hadn't dealt with his personal issues just like some of the characters in Prometheus who don't have the best motives or share them with all.

As far as Prometheus's characters, David came off as kind of a dick but redeemed himself in the end a bit. I loved Shaw's character, she was flawed but aren't we all. Shaw went into this with the best intentions but she realized early on they've made a mistake and tried her best to correct it. I still don't trust David and where he is leading Shaw to and I don't think she fully trusts him either but they are both going to serve each other's purpose in the sequel so I'm very interested to see how their relationship changes now that it's just the two of them.