Prometheus (2012)

[jblank]

Originally Posted by bkhage01

Yeah people talk about it like it was the latest episode of Lost. I thought it explained itself pretty well

Pretty obvious even reading comments here, that some people are just dissing the movie because a lot of us here love it. All the "questions" have good explanations or interpretations, but without naming names, some people come off as just enjoying the act of crapping on something that a lot of people enjoy. Otherwise, why even still be in the thread?

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by Spider

The fly over earth in the beginning didn't show any signs of life at all. Probably some 3.0 billion years ago. They should have shown some volcanic activity or even some big impact craters. But yeah it was the origin of life. The "jumpstart". Scientists are still debating about what started it. Now we know

That wasn't necessarily Earth. That was just to show how they create human life.

[Wingman1977]

Originally Posted by timothyj

Would this bug anyone else?....

Happened to mine (I still don't get why all studios don't use the sticker that doesn't go over the blu-ray logo) but I won't lose sleep over it since the slipcover is over it.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by Gutz

Watched it yesterday, it was a blind buy for me.

Absolutely loved it.

I laugh now at intellectual minds who walked out from the movie theater and went ""Prometheus" raised more questions than gave answers".

Wow, what's not to get? Seriously?

Originally Posted by bkhage01

Yeah people talk about it like it was the latest episode of Lost. I thought it explained itself pretty well

Okay, smart ones - so why are they out to destroy Earth?

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by deltasun

Okay, smart ones - so why are they out to destroy Earth?

Because humans killed Jesus (one of the Engineer's).

[Phoenix Theory]

Originally Posted by old bones

waiting for the sequel

+1

[animefan77]

Originally Posted by deltasun

Good point on the timing, if that were the case. I still maintain that the 2000-yr revelation was for those Engineers that included the severed head. There's no evidence to me that the Engineers meant to obliterate Earth 2000 years prior. If that were the case, why didn't they/he? In fact, I would argue that the Engineer in the pod is the one assigned to fly the ship (full of let's say biological weapons and ready to go) to destroy Earth once Earthlings did figure out how to get to that planet/outpost/threshold.

Wasn't this already confirmed by Ridley Scott's interview? He originally wanted to show in the movie the reason that Engineers wanted to kill us, but decided not to because it was too on the nose. - I guess he wanted more discussions like this or save it for the sequel. In the interview, I think he said it was because they didn't like how we became such a violent war hungry creatures who killed their emmissary(Jesus). My take was that painting was there for human to come and find them once they evolved enough (before the event of Jesus) but after we killed Jesus, they thought of as lost cause and decided to eliminate us instead. But right before they were to launch the attack, some accident/event happened.

Now I like that Scott left this out from the movie. Direct religious historical reference would anger lot of sensitive viewers. And I like that we don't know - more discussions like how Space Jockey was discussed in the original Alien. I'm hoping that he will explain further in the sequels but I think I would be fine if he doesn't too.
Hope in the sequel, we get to go see the original world of the engineers and see that its already been destroyed. This will explain my theory in why they didn't send another ship to destroy us after the accident in that moon and can parallel eventual outcome of human race to the engineers (my take is that engineers are also violent war race - if we are created by them and have similar DNA, then it's likely that we are similar in violent nature as them) and we will eventually become extinct by our hands like the Engineers(well thats how I want the sequel to be )

[Nikka488]

Originally Posted by deltasun

Okay, smart ones - so why are they out to destroy Earth?

Do they need to have a reason? Ok. How are any of these:

1. They had planned to anyways. The only reason it hadn't happened yet is there was an outbreak at their weapons facility.
2. They never invited us to come find them. We've progressed further than they intended the 'human race' experiment to go. Time to pull the plug.
3. Jesus was an engineer to get us back on track. We didn't listen. By the way the guard & Weyland treated Shaw the engineer saw we hadn't changed our warlike ways.
4. He wasn't going to destroy earth. He was on his way to LV426
5. They ALWAYS drop the Goo on their experiments once they've advanced enough. The intention was always to expose earth to the goo.

[ry35an]

Originally Posted by Nikka488

It bugs me a bit too. I wonder if the beings that made the engineers are actually the space jockeys. The engineers suits are made to look like their 'gods' or 'makers'. Maybe in the next film we'll see that. It would be dope for the next film to end with an actual 15 foot Space Jockey walking in and brushing an engineer aside like the engineer did at the end of Prometheus when Weyland's team was in the Juggernaut.

I would down with that. Having a humanoid being under the suit originally bothered me, but after watching the making of (which was amazing) I understand why they went that way. Since I first saw Alien I always wondered about the Space Jockey. I don't know if my disappointment was years of wondering or even from seeing the elephantine Space Jockeys in the early comics (I know that's not canon).

Well, at the very least it's kept us wondering, lol.

I do hope it's addressed at some point if there are going to be sequels. If not, then it will really bug me, because then it's just an oversight.

[jblank]

Originally Posted by deltasun

That wasn't necessarily Earth. That was just to show how they create human life.

It was Earth. It was the direct lead in to Shaw digging in the cave and since the movie is about how we got here, I think it's a consensus that we're seeing the Engineer begin the process of life and evolution on Earth.

[jblank]

Originally Posted by Monkey

Because humans killed Jesus (one of the Engineer's).

Not true. Scott said they thought about going in that direction but changed their mind. Conventional wisdom, from what we know says that it is one of these possibilities:

1) The Engineers do not like the warlike nature we had adopted and saw us as either a potential threat to them, OR, to other species they had created.

2) Our DNA, combined with the ampules of goo is able to create some sort of altered creature that might even be the Xenomorph, or some other kind of biologically engineered killing machine.

3) We didn't develop as we were intended and thus, "to create life, sometimes life must be destroyed", and they intend to start over and once again re-seed Earth in the hopes that life changes course and different species evolve. If it is this reason, we should get a lot more info in Paradise.

[mrr1]

I hate the 'Jesus was an engineer' theory. It's insultingly stupid.

At the time of his life, Jesus was just another (and likely not different than) countless other religious preachers and other men. Despite what many of his adherents (i.e. Christians) believe, Jesus' legacy as an important religious leader only became popular many decades after he died (the gospels of Jesus' life weren't written until decades after Jesus died, and Paul's evangelical work, even though he never met Jesus, is what really spread Christianity far and wide. Jesus didn't do it all by himself).

We don't know why the engineers intended to bomb the Earth with the black goo a couple thousands years ago, but the "Jesus hypothesis" feels juvenile and incredibly out of place.

[IlGialloMondadori]

Originally Posted by Nikka488

Do they need to have a reason? Ok. How are any of these:

1. They had planned to anyways. The only reason it hadn't happened yet is there was an outbreak at their weapons facility.
2. They never invited us to come find them. We've progressed further than they intended the 'human race' experiment to go. Time to pull the plug.
3. Jesus was an engineer to get us back on track. We didn't listen. By the way the guard & Weyland treated Shaw the engineer saw we hadn't changed our warlike ways.
4. He wasn't going to destroy earth. He was on his way to LV426
5. They ALWAYS drop the Goo on their experiments once they've advanced enough. The intention was always to expose earth to the goo.

I have said this before, but I really hate the Jesus is an Engineer thing. It's just so crazy stupid. If the story of Prometheus hinges on this, it's dumb.

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Here is the exact quote:

Movies.com: We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?

Ridley Scott: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an “our children are misbehaving down there” scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, “Let’s send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it.” Guess what? They crucified him.

So he answers the question by saying yes it was considered, but it was "too on the nose", meaning that the Jesus aspect of the story was considered, but isn't the reason. He's just explaining what they were talking about when it was being discussed, that isn't actually the reason and we won't know 100% what the reason is until Paradise.

[Whirlygig]

Originally Posted by IlGialloMondadori

I have said this before, but I really hate the Jesus is an Engineer thing. It's just so crazy stupid. If the story of Prometheus hinges on this, it's dumb.

Tend to agree. But if it's just that Jesus was a man, and they disapproved of his treatment, is that any better? Not sure. Maybe.

[jblank]

Originally Posted by mrr1

I hate the 'Jesus was an engineer' theory. It's insultingly stupid.

At the time of his life, Jesus was just another (and likely not different than) countless other religious preachers and other men. Despite what many of his adherents (i.e. Christians) believe, Jesus' legacy as an important religious leader only became popular many decades after he died (the gospels of Jesus' life weren't written until decades after Jesus died, and Paul's evangelical work, even though he never met Jesus, is what really spread Christianity far and wide. Jesus didn't do it all by himself).

We don't know why the engineers intended to bomb the Earth with the black goo a couple thousands years ago, but the "Jesus hypothesis" feels juvenile and incredibly out of place.

Eh, I could see it working though. In his time, he had a lot of influence among his followers and was upsetting things enough that he was killed for it. It could have been worked into the story in a way that it would work, but it seems pretty clear that Scott is taking the story in a different direction and that they aren't going to go with the Engineer Jesus explanation.

[Nikka488]

Originally Posted by IlGialloMondadori

I have said this before, but I really hate the Jesus is an Engineer thing. It's just so crazy stupid. If the story of Prometheus hinges on this, it's dumb.

I don't hate the idea, but I don't think it's good either. Since it's not stated I don't consider it the reason.

Maybe the engineer really WASN'T going to bomb earth. Just because Shaw thought so doesn't mean anything. Just because the last coordinate in the navigation was earth doesn't mean anything. If you got in my car now the last coordinate in the navigation is NOT where I'm going when I leave work.

Even if earth was the destination doesn't prove anything. You can fly a jet armed with missiles over a country but that doesn't mean the jet is going to bomb it.

What I find funny is no one ever complained: why do the aliens kill people. What's their reason?

[Gutz]

Originally Posted by deltasun

Okay, smart ones - so why are they out to destroy Earth?

That's the point.

[Show spoiler]Elizabeth flew to "the engineer" world to get answers. Why do they hate human kind? First they created us then they wanted to unleash hell.

Simple as that.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by Monkey

Because humans killed Jesus (one of the Engineer's).

That was just a joke.

Originally Posted by animefan77

Wasn't this already confirmed by Ridley Scott's interview? He originally wanted to show in the movie the reason that Engineers wanted to kill us, but decided not to because it was too on the nose. - I guess he wanted more discussions like this or save it for the sequel. In the interview, I think he said it was because they didn't like how we became such a violent war hungry creatures who killed their emmissary(Jesus). My take was that painting was there for human to come and find them once they evolved enough (before the event of Jesus) but after we killed Jesus, they thought of as lost cause and decided to eliminate us instead. But right before they were to launch the attack, some accident/event happened.

Now I like that Scott left this out from the movie. Direct religious historical reference would anger lot of sensitive viewers. And I like that we don't know - more discussions like how Space Jockey was discussed in the original Alien. I'm hoping that he will explain further in the sequels but I think I would be fine if he doesn't too.
Hope in the sequel, we get to go see the original world of the engineers and see that its already been destroyed. This will explain my theory in why they didn't send another ship to destroy us after the accident in that moon and can parallel eventual outcome of human race to the engineers (my take is that engineers are also violent war race - if we are created by them and have similar DNA, then it's likely that we are similar in violent nature as them) and we will eventually become extinct by our hands like the Engineers(well
thats how I want the sequel to be )

The first paragraph is my theory too (see my earlier posts).

Originally Posted by Nikka488

Do they need to have a reason? Ok. How are any of these:

1. They had planned to anyways. The only reason it hadn't happened yet is there was an outbreak at their weapons facility.
2. They never invited us to come find them. We've progressed further than they intended the 'human race' experiment to go. Time to pull the plug.
3. Jesus was an engineer to get us back on track. We didn't listen. By the way the guard & Weyland treated Shaw the engineer saw we hadn't changed our warlike ways.
4. He wasn't going to destroy earth. He was on his way to LV426
5. They ALWAYS drop the Goo on their experiments once they've advanced enough. The intention was always to expose earth to the goo.

#2 - again, again my theory too.

Originally Posted by jblank

It was Earth. It was the direct lead in to Shaw digging in the cave and since the movie is about how we got here, I think it's a consensus that we're seeing the Engineer begin the process of life and evolution on Earth.

Again, not necessarily. To me, they show how they create human life out of their goo and their DNA. But sure, there's no contradiction to that being Earth. There's also no evidence that it does not already have non-human life.

[IlGialloMondadori]

Originally Posted by Whirlygig

Tend to agree. But if it's just that Jesus was a man, and they disapproved of his treatment, is that any better? Not sure. Maybe.

No, it's not. People have treated other people badly since time began. People have also been great to other people since time began. There has always been war and killing, and always been peace and love, to varying degrees. Why focus on Jesus? It's just super silly, super juvenile, and super dumb.