Prometheus (2012)

[cnn007]

is there any booklet for 2D or 3D version?

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by Nikka488

I don't hate the idea, but I don't think it's good either. Since it's not stated I don't consider it the reason.

Maybe the engineer really WASN'T going to bomb earth. Just because Shaw thought so doesn't mean anything. Just because the last coordinate in the navigation was earth doesn't mean anything. If you got in my car now the last coordinate in the navigation is NOT where I'm going when I leave work.

Even if earth was the destination doesn't prove anything. You can fly a jet armed with missiles over a country but that doesn't mean the jet is going to bomb it.

What I find funny is no one ever complained: why do the aliens kill people. What's their reason?

I have to double check, but I thought when the Engineer was set to take off, they intimated that he was headed for Earth. Also, just the fact that the entire climax was predicated on him going back to destroy Earth when in fact he wasn't sounds pretty foolish.

Originally Posted by Gutz

That's the point.

[Show spoiler]Elizabeth flew to "the engineer" world to get answers. Why do they hate human kind? First they created us then they wanted to unleash hell.

Simple as that.

Elizabeth flew to the Engineer world to get answers to the eternal question of life. I.e., how did we get here? who created us, etc.

She didn't know, before the journey, that the Engineers "hated" (we still can't assume this) human kind. She didn't know yet that he wanted to unleash hell.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by cnn007

is there any booklet for 2D or 3D version?

Yes, the Target exclusives both come with a pictorial booklet.

[jblank]

Originally Posted by deltasun

Again, not necessarily. To me, they show how they create human life out of their goo and their DNA. But sure, there's no contradiction to that being Earth. There's also no evidence that it does not already have non-human life.

Fair enough, but I'd question why then, would they even bother showing it if it wasn't Earth. The scene fades into Shaw and then the story, so perfectly, I would be extremely surprised if Scott is showing us a planet other than Earth.

[42041]

Originally Posted by Nikka488

What I find funny is no one ever complained: why do the aliens kill people. What's their reason?

The xenomorphs are pretty much predatory alien animals. They're probably hungry. When you have intelligent alien beings in your film, I'd expect more, um, intellligence.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by 42041

The xenomorphs are pretty much predatory alien animals. They're probably hungry. When you have intelligent alien beings in your film, I'd expect more, um, intellligence.

That's why the Engineers have them sealed in an ante-chamber, where they were also experimenting on them. Experiments do go awry, regardless of one's intelligence.

[cnn007]

Originally Posted by deltasun

Yes, the Target exclusives both come with a pictorial booklet.

is it only for target version,

what about is any booklet in best buy?

[integrafied1]

Originally Posted by cnn007

is it only for target version,

what about is any booklet in best buy?

Target exclusive

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by jblank

Fair enough, but I'd question why then, would they even bother showing it if it wasn't Earth. The scene fades into Shaw and then the story, so perfectly, I would be extremely surprised if Scott is showing us a planet other than Earth.

To me, they were just showing how these Engineers create new life. That's part of the reason why it was irrelevant to me if it was Earth or not. That's also why I'm fine with people thinking it was Earth.

It was the process was being highlighted, not necessarily where it was taking place. Again, it appears to me these Engineers find planets with the correct atmospheric, etc. balance to create life.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by cnn007

is it only for target version,

what about is any booklet in best buy?

Just Target, yes. Both the 2D and the 3D have the booklet, according to the Target exclusive sticker.

[Gutz]

Originally Posted by deltasun

I have to double check, but I thought when the Engineer was set to take off, they intimated that he was headed for Earth. Also, just the fact that the entire climax was predicated on him going back to destroy Earth when in fact he wasn't sounds pretty foolish.




Elizabeth flew to the Engineer world to get answers to the eternal question of life. I.e., how did we get here? who created us, etc.

She didn't know, before the journey, that the Engineers "hated" (we still can't assume this) human kind. She didn't know yet that he wanted to unleash hell.

I was talking about the ending.

[scoogs]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Per Scott, that is a

[Show spoiler]different engineer on a different ship that landed on LV 426 around the same time as the events that took place on LV 223 in Prometheus that led to the death of the Engineers around 2000 years prior to the prometheus mission

.

[Show spoiler]And that right there is what makes me wonder what the point of the Deacon subplot is. If the crashed ship in Alien is 2,000 years old, then the xenomorph/facehugger eggs already exist long before the events of Prometheus. That clearly demonstrates that the xenomorphs were NOT developed from the Deacon we are shown.

I really need to watch this again, but that won't happen until next week sometime.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by Gutz

I was talking about the ending.

Okay, so then there still is no answer to why they want to destroy Earth. Or are you saying the point is for there not to be an answer? I know the sequel will answer a lot more of these questions, but I like to ponder.

[jblank]

Who said that was the first Xenomorph? I think the "Deacon" being born at the end is a clue for the audience as to how you get Xenomorphs, not that this is the beginning of the Xenomorphs.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by scoogs

[Show spoiler]And that right there is what makes me wonder what the point of the Deacon subplot is. If the crashed ship in Alien is 2,000 years old, then the xenomorph/facehugger eggs already exist long before the events of Prometheus. That clearly demonstrates that the xenomorphs were NOT developed from the Deacon we are shown.

I really need to watch this again, but that won't happen until next week sometime.

Too lazy to look it up, but what year does Alien take place?

[Gutz]

Originally Posted by deltasun

I have to double check, but I thought when the Engineer was set to take off, they intimated that he was headed for Earth. Also, just the fact that the entire climax was predicated on him going back to destroy Earth when in fact he wasn't sounds pretty foolish.




Elizabeth flew to the Engineer world to get answers to the eternal question of life. I.e., how did we get here? who created us, etc.

She didn't know, before the journey, that the Engineers "hated" (we still can't assume this) human kind. She didn't know yet that he wanted to unleash hell.

Originally Posted by deltasun

Okay, so then there still is no answer to why they want to destroy Earth. Or are you saying the point is for there not to be an answer? I know the sequel will answer a lot more of these questions, but I like to ponder.

Exactly. The ending was set for the sequel. We learned that the engineers are hostile beings but what the hell happened? Why are they hostile?

Prometheus was about the origin of "aliens" the first queen originated from the body of the engineer. That's the point of the movie. Origins of Aliens not who created the humanity...Jesus? Lolz

[jblank]

Originally Posted by deltasun

too lazy to look it up, but what year does alien take place?

2122.

from alien. Date is from alien dvd.


2122 (june 3 - june 6)

uscss nostromo encounters what is assumed to be a distress signal emanating from the planetoid designated lv-426, in the zeta-2-reticuli system. Captain dallas, executive officer kane, and navigator lambert investigate a derelict spacecraft that contains the fossilised remains of an unknown alien species, and thousands of xenomorph eggs. One of the xenomorph spore (‘facehugger’) attaches itself to kane’s face and plants an embryo in his throat, which then hatches, killing the host. The hatchling (‘chestburster’) grows to over 7 feet tall and kills dallas and engineer’s mate brett.

Warrant officer ripley discovers that weyland-yutani want the alien specimen and the crew of the nostromo are expendable. It is revealed science officer ash is in fact a hyperdyne systems 120-a/2 android, who has been protecting the alien. Chief engineer parker renders ash inoperative when ash attacks ripley. Parker and lambert are killed by the alien whilst evacuating the nostromo. Ripley rigs the ship to self-destruct and escapes on the shuttlecraft narcissus with the ship’s cat mr jones. The alien also escapes on the shuttle, but ripley manages to blow it out of the airlock, effectively killing it.

[nimannn]

Originally Posted by scoogs

[Show spoiler]And that right there is what makes me wonder what the point of the Deacon subplot is. If the crashed ship in Alien is 2,000 years old, then the xenomorph/facehugger eggs already exist long before the events of Prometheus. That clearly demonstrates that the xenomorphs were NOT developed from the Deacon we are shown.

I really need to watch this again, but that won't happen until next week sometime.

[Show spoiler]The film showed that the xenomorphs were not developed from the Deacon, don't you remember this scene?

http://gamingshogun.com/wp-content/u...2/06/uxAo9.jpg

So yea, they were there long before the events of this movie. They're probably the things that killed the engineers in that recording of them all running away.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by Gutz

Exactly. The ending was set for the sequel. We learned that the engineers are hostile beings but what the hell happened? Why are they hostile?

Prometheus was about the origin of "aliens" the first queen originated from the body of the engineer. That's the point of the movie. Origins of Aliens not who created the humanity...Jesus? Lolz

To me, the Alien storyline is a side consequence to the Prometheus (and its sequels') storyline. The whole deacon part was more of an epilogue; almost like a "oh btw, while we're headed to the "Paradise" sequel, here's what happened back where the Engineer and trilobyte had a bit of a bruhaha."

That's why I still don't call this a prequel to Alien, just another story that intersects it (and happen to have the origin of the Xenomorph).

[Gutz]

Originally Posted by deltasun

To me, the Alien storyline is a side consequence to the Prometheus (and its sequels') storyline. The whole deacon part was more of an epilogue; almost like a "oh btw, while we're headed to the "Paradise" sequel, here's what happened back where the Engineer and trilobyte had a bit of a bruhaha."

That's why I still don't call this a prequel to Alien, just another story that intersects it (and happen to have the origin of the Xenomorph).

People should understand that this movie is about the TRUE origin of Aliens. It's not about who created the humanity.

People blowing this into something religious out of nothing.