Prometheus (2012)

[Filmmaker]

Here's my problem with a couple of the popular theories posited here: we're supposed to believe that such an openly violent race, with a penchant for creating the most wicked forms of biological weaponry, is a) mad at us for our violent history/tendencies and/or that they're mad because we killed their PEACE LOVING/PROMOTING emissary (i.e. Jesus)??? If anything, I think they intended us to be violent and prone to war and destruction, and perhaps it was the teachings of Jesus successfully taking us away from that path and injecting morality arguably much more potently into the human condition than it ever had been before that pissed them off. They don't hate us for our capacity for violence, but for our capacity for peace. That's why they want to replace us with the "perfect organism" of the xenomorph.

[hpDeskjet600C]

Listening to Ridley's commentary. I love the part when he's talking about the hologram table and how people were questioning it. So he says "Shut the &$&# up," "this is what I want, #@$% off."

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by scoogs

[Show spoiler]And that right there is what makes me wonder what the point of the Deacon subplot is. If the crashed ship in Alien is 2,000 years old, then the xenomorph/facehugger eggs already exist long before the events of Prometheus. That clearly demonstrates that the xenomorphs were NOT developed from the Deacon we are shown.

I really need to watch this again, but that won't happen until next week sometime.

There's no evidence that the xenomorphs existed before the Deacon scene in the epilogue and the date stated below for Alien of 2122 is consistent, since Prometheus predates it (2091).

Originally Posted by jblank

2122.

But then this .jpg below kinda blows the Deacon genesis theory.

Originally Posted by nimannn

[Show spoiler]The film showed that the xenomorphs were not developed from the Deacon, don't you remember this scene?

http://gamingshogun.com/wp-content/u...2/06/uxAo9.jpg

So yea, they were there long before the events of this movie. They're probably the things that killed the engineers in that recording of them all running away.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by Gutz

People should understand that this movie is about the TRUE origin of Aliens. It's not about who created the humanity.

People blowing this into something religious out of nothing.

Now that I will argue against. I don't think it's about the true origin of Aliens. It's just a subplot. I wouldn't say it's religious either, because it's not. Finding humanity's origins is not religious, especially in a sci-fi flick. It's an adventure to find out who created humans and this adventure unfolds to reveal more questions.

[jblank]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

Here's my problem with a couple of the popular theories posited here: we're supposed to believe that such an openly violent race, with a penchant for creating the most wicked forms of biological weaponry, is a) mad at us for our violent history/tendencies and/or that they're mad because we killed their PEACE LOVING/PROMOTING emissary (i.e. Jesus)??? If anything, I think they intended us to be violent and prone to war and destruction, and perhaps it was the teachings of Jesus successfully taking us away from that path and injecting morality arguably much more potently into the human condition than it ever had been before that pissed them off. They don't hate us for our capacity for violence, but for our capacity for peace. That's why they want to replace us with the "perfect organism" of the xenomorph.

Possibly, but Scott's own words lead us to believe that something in our ways or actions, has made them want to destroy us. I still think it is a possibility they viewed us as a potential threat sometime in the future and decided to wipe us out.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by deltasun

That was just a joke.

As was my response

Clearly the Engineer just doesn't like robots.

[videohead]

Originally Posted by Brahby

I think if that mural was never on the wall with the Xenomorph already in then everyone would have been fine with the ending because it actually would have worked.

Since we weren't given any info on that mural, ill bet we get an explanation in the next movie, and on the giant head statue too

[jblank]

Originally Posted by deltasun

There's no evidence that the xenomorphs existed before the Deacon scene in the epilogue and the date stated below for Alien of 2122 is consistent, since Prometheus predates it (2091).





But then this .jpg below kinda blows the Deacon genesis theory.

If the Deacon is the first Xenomorph, then the film is doing something they intentionally set out to not do.....contradict the other films. There is no way the Deacon is the first Xenomorph and the scene you are showing, at the end of Prometheus, is merely for us, the audience, as an explanation of how you come close to the actual "Xenomorph" from the other films. I think it is showing the evolutionary path, not the creation of the species we all know and love.

[jblank]

Originally Posted by Gutz

People should understand that this movie is about the TRUE origin of Aliens. It's not about who created the humanity.

People blowing this into something religious out of nothing.

Huh? How on Earth (no pun intended) are you getting that out of this film?

[Gutz]

Originally Posted by deltasun

Now that I will argue against. I don't think it's about the true origin of Aliens. It's just a subplot. I wouldn't say it's religious either, because it's not. Finding humanity's origins is not religious, especially in a sci-fi flick. It's an adventure to find out who created humans and this adventure unfolds to reveal more questions.

To me it is an ALIEN movie not an origin of humanity movie. Everyone gets the movies differently. There's no right or wrong understanding the movie but in my mind, the origins of the humanity is not the main topic here.

Scott laughs at you all.

[aherron]

Originally Posted by timothyj

Would this bug anyone else?....

Happened to a couple of my catalog titles but I just learned to let go. I hate it too but things like this do happen sometimes just gotta learn to live with it or it will make us go mad. Glad there's a nice looking slip though.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

Here's my problem with a couple of the popular theories posited here: we're supposed to believe that such an openly violent race, with a penchant for creating the most wicked forms of biological weaponry, is a) mad at us for our violent history/tendencies and/or that they're mad because we killed their PEACE LOVING/PROMOTING emissary (i.e. Jesus)??? If anything, I think they intended us to be violent and prone to war and destruction, and perhaps it was the teachings of Jesus successfully taking us away from that path and injecting morality arguably much more potently into the human condition than it ever had been before that pissed them off. They don't hate us for our capacity for violence, but for our capacity for peace. That's why they want to replace us with the "perfect organism" of the xenomorph.

I know there's quite a bit of theories on this board and you happened to have taken the ones that I disagreed with.

To me it's like this - these Engineers create life (could just be Earth or numerous planets, doesn't matter). The Engineers then set a threshold of when/if these creatures (humans) ever get to the point where they are intelligent enough and/or have the necessary technology to "threaten" them (Engineers).

This threshold is defined as humans connecting the cave paintings to that particular planet or planet formation and being able to travel there. In this case, that threshold was crossed and the Engineer (in charge of that particular base) now has to destroy these humans on Earth.

It's like me creating these ants, let's say. Something small and innocuous/harmless. Once they start looking to be a threat, I squash them.

[jblank]

Originally Posted by Gutz

To me it is an ALIEN movie not an origin of humanity movie. Everyone gets the movies differently. There's no right or wrong understanding the movie but in my mind, the origins of the humanity is not the main topic here.

Scott laughs at you all.

How can you say that when Ridley Scott's own words show that he wanted it to be about humanities great questions? What is our place in the universe? How did we get here?

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by jblank

If the Deacon is the first Xenomorph, then the film is doing something they intentionally set out to not do.....contradict the other films. There is no way the Deacon is the first Xenomorph and the scene you are showing, at the end of Prometheus, is merely for us, the audience, as an explanation of how you come close to the actual "Xenomorph" from the other films. I think it is showing the evolutionary path, not the creation of the species we all know and love.

How does it contradict the other films? True question, since I'm not too up on the other films. Just saw Alien again about a month ago, haven't seen the others for probably 10-15 years.

[Gutz]

Originally Posted by jblank

Huh? How on Earth (no pun intended) are you getting that out of this film?

That's how.

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[deltasun]

Originally Posted by Gutz

To me it is an ALIEN movie not an origin of humanity movie. Everyone gets the movies differently. There's no right or wrong understanding the movie but in my mind, the origins of the humanity is not the main topic here.

Scott laughs at you all.

Okay, I'll have to politely disagree with you on this. It's definitely us following Shaw's (and to some extent, Holloway) search for humanity's origins. The storyline just happens to intersect with the Alien storyline. It also crossed with Weyland's search for immortality, which he saw opportunity in from Shaw's/Holloway's findings.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by Gutz

That's how.

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That's not the true ending, just an epilogue. The true ending was Shaw and David on their way to Paradise. I.e., the continuation of Shaw's quest to find answers about humanity's origins.

[Gutz]

Originally Posted by deltasun

Okay, I'll have to politely disagree with you on this. It's definitely us following Shaw's (and to some extent, Holloway) search for humanity's origins. The storyline just happens to intersect with the Alien storyline. It also crossed with Weyland's search for immortality, which he saw opportunity in from Shaw's/Holloway's findings.

It's ok. I respect that but why on Earth would they include xenomorph in the movie? Who cares about 1 shot of an alien queen? Why was it the closing shot?

You guys think too much about this shit.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by Gutz

It's ok. I respect that but why on Earth would they include xenomorph in the movie? Who cares about 1 shot of an alien queen? Why was it the closing shot?

Because its origins happen to cross the Prometheus storyline. It's like a cool way to tie in some of his earlier work with the current work, and gives further background on how it took place.

You guys think too much about this shit.

Not necessarily a bad thing, bud.

[itMFtis]

Originally Posted by Gutz

It's ok. I respect that but why on Earth would they include xenomorph in the movie? Who cares about 1 shot of an alien queen? Why was it the closing shot?

You guys think too much about this shit.

I took it as a way of saying that the goo can eventually lead to the creation of a xeno because that was not established earlier in the film. We see mutated people/worms and cells degenerating with new cells being created, but no relation to an actual xeno (or facehugger), until the end of course.