Prometheus (2012)

[Monkey]

Well I for one hope the sequel isn't focused on the Deacon, a spinoff for the Deacon would be great. I for one hope it follows Shaw and David (which is what it seems to me is the focus of the ending).

[Gutz]

Originally Posted by deltasun

That's not the true ending, just an epilogue. The true ending was Shaw and David on their way to Paradise. I.e., the continuation of Shaw's quest to find answers about humanity's origins.

WRONG. Not to get answers about origins. She wants to know why engineers tried to kill humans AFTER creating them.

Elizabeth Shaw: They created us. Then they tried to kill us. They changed their minds. I deserve to know why.

[42041]

Originally Posted by Gutz

It's ok. I respect that but why on Earth would they include xenomorph in the movie? Who cares about 1 shot of an alien queen? Why was it the closing shot?

You guys think too much about this shit.

fan service...

[UNCMT9]

Sorry if I missed this. Was the significance of 10-11-12?

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by deltasun

I know there's quite a bit of theories on this board and you happened to have taken the ones that I disagreed with.

To me it's like this - these Engineers create life (could just be Earth or numerous planets, doesn't matter). The Engineers then set a threshold of when/if these creatures (humans) ever get to the point where they are intelligent enough and/or have the necessary technology to "threaten" them (Engineers).

This threshold is defined as humans connecting the cave paintings to that particular planet or planet formation and being able to travel there. In this case, that threshold was crossed and the Engineer (in charge of that particular base) now has to destroy these humans on Earth.

It's like me creating these ants, let's say. Something small and innocuous/harmless. Once they start looking to be a threat, I squash them.

I don't see much logic to your theory at all. Why create us with either intelligence or aggression at all then? Clearly, they purposefully cultivate aggression/violent tendencies in their creations--why would they fear what they're intentionally trying to perfect? No, it's our intelligence, which led us to the ability to fight our baser natures through morality, that marked us as failures in need of genocide.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by Monkey

Well I for one hope the sequel isn't focused on the Deacon, a spinoff for the Deacon would be great. I for one hope it follows Shaw and David (which is what it seems to me is the focus of the ending).

I'm pretty sure the sequel (already called Paradise, I believe) is not about the Deacon. That would be Alien.

Originally Posted by Gutz

WRONG. Not to get answers about origins. She wants to know why engineers tried to kill humans AFTER creating them.

Elizabeth Shaw: They created us. Then they tried to kill us. They changed their minds. I deserve to know why.

The "why they tried to kill humans after creating them" came as a logical sequence of her adventure. Again, her adventure is to find out who created humanity.

When she set out on her quest, it's who created us and why. As she goes on this quest, she has learned more things, including they wanted to kill us. That's the next step in the adventure and will have to continue in the sequel.

[Booker Dewitt]

Originally Posted by UNCMT9

Sorry if I missed this. Was the significance of 10-11-12?

Weyland Corp was founded, other than that, dunno.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by UNCMT9

Sorry if I missed this. Was the significance of 10-11-12?

That's the original release date. It was moved ahead to 10/9.

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

I don't see much logic to your theory at all. Why create us with either intelligence or aggression at all then? Clearly, they purposefully cultivate aggression/violent tendencies is their creations--why would they fear what they're intentionally trying to perfect? No, it's our intelligence, which led us to the ability to fight our based natures through morality, that marked us as failures in need of genocide.

I don't think they can control how much intelligence their creations have. They just create humans to do as they please, as long as they don't become a threat to the Engineers. Hence, the threshold that they set.

[bb8977]

My take on the events of the movie is as follows..
The mural cleary proves that the Aliens already exist and generally (with humans at least) these kind of murals are only done of things that we admire, respect or even worship.
I think that the Engineers were creating a biological weapon based on DNA collected from the Xenomorphs.
Whether or not the Engineers also created the Xenomorphs isn't so clear but again taking the mural into consideration I would say that they didn't create them.
The Engineers became infected and at least one of them managed to get to a ship and take off. He was however already infected and the alien burst from him mid flight causing the ship to crash on LV-426.
The Deacon is not intended to be the birth of the Alien's, it's merely a side effect of everything that happens in the movie. A one off anomaly, that will most likely never be repeated or seen again.

[jblank]

Originally Posted by deltasun

How does it contradict the other films? True question, since I'm not too up on the other films. Just saw Alien again about a month ago, haven't seen the others for probably 10-15 years.

The Alien Eggs found on the derelict craft in the first Alien had been there thousands of years. If this was the first Xenomorph then the eggs on the derelict came from what? The future? It just destroys the timeline and mucks up the timeline of the first Alien movie (done by Scott I might add).

[jblank]

Originally Posted by Gutz

That's how.

[Show spoiler][/URL]

Yeah and that makes up about 1% of the movie.

[Gutz]

Originally Posted by Gutz

WRONG. Not to get answers about origins. She wants to know why engineers tried to kill humans AFTER creating them.

Elizabeth Shaw: They created us. Then they tried to kill us. They changed their minds. I deserve to know why.

Originally Posted by deltasun

I'm pretty sure the sequel (already called Paradise, I believe) is not about the Deacon. That would be Alien.




The "why they tried to kill humans after creating them" came as a logical sequence of her adventure. Again, her adventure is to find out who created humanity.

When she set out on her quest, it's who created us and why. As she goes on this quest, she has learned more things, including they wanted to kill us. That's the next step in the adventure and will have to continue in the sequel.

Dude, like I said, your theory is your OWN theory. It's neither right or wrong. It's your theory but not 100 % correct.

You sound like you're educating crowds with your mighty knowledge of cinema.

Stop. Just stop.

Mark my words, in the sequel this "xenomorph" in the closing shot will be on Elizabeth and David's space ship.

The fun will begin.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by jblank

The Alien Eggs found on the derelict craft in the first Alien had been there thousands of years. If this was the first Xenomorph then the eggs on the derelict came from what? The future? It just destroys the timeline and mucks up the timeline of the first Alien movie (done by Scott I might add).

Again, I'm not questioning, just asking questions because I'm not as familiar with the details of Alien. So, those Alien Eggs FOR SURE are thousands of years old?

[Mark Malmstrøm]

I stil don't see what we need the DVD for

well it's for those who wants to see the film while other sees it? - well isn't that was the DC is suppose to be there for?

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by UNCMT9

Sorry if I missed this. Was the significance of 10-11-12?

Weyland Incorporates


Weyland Corporation is recognized as a legal entity and corporation under United States law and receives their Certificate of Incorporation from the Companies House in the United Kingdom. Due to the combined value of Sir Peter Weyland’s various patents and patent-pendings, the company incorporates with a higher fair market valuation than any other company in history.

October 11, 2012

To mark the event, Weyland Corp emailed a link to print a limited edition (numbered) stock certificate for 1 Sh of Weyland Corp. This was sent to me and others who had registered (several months ago, in my case) as a Weyland Investor. It also included a code for a $5 coupon for purchase of the 4 disc collector's editon of Prometheus, which can only be used at Foxconnect.con.

[jblank]

Originally Posted by Gutz

It's ok. I respect that but why on Earth would they include xenomorph in the movie? Who cares about 1 shot of an alien queen? Why was it the closing shot?

You guys think too much about this shit.

From your summation of the film you might actually wanna think about it more.

[jblank]

Originally Posted by UNCMT9

Sorry if I missed this. Was the significance of 10-11-12?

It's the day the Weyland Corporation was founded.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by Gutz

Dude, like I said, your theory is your OWN theory. It's neither right or wrong. It's your theory but not 100 % correct.

You sound like you're educating crowds with your mighty knowledge of cinema.

You contradict yourself there - you said "neither right or wrong," yet you said I'm not correct.

I'm just fostering some discussion on other implications not necessarily explained (probably on purpose) in the film.

Stop. Just stop.

Mark my words, in the sequel this "xenomorph" in the closing shot will be on Elizabeth and David's space ship.

The fun will begin.

That doesn't prove that this movie is about Aliens.

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by deltasun

That's the original release date. It was moved ahead to 10/9.




I don't think they can control how much intelligence their creations have. They just create humans to do as they please, as long as they don't become a threat to the Engineers. Hence, the threshold that they set.

I still don't buy it. Everything in PROMETHEUS shows they value aggression and are trying to perfect the ultimate remorseless, pitiless, savage killing organism. We failed in that endeavor because we have at least as much capacity for peace as violence. Our humanity disgusts and offends them. They didn't have murals of us on display, mind you, but of the xenomorph. They respect and honor the utter lack of morality.

[Phoenix Theory]

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