Prometheus (2012)

[jblank]

Originally Posted by deltasun

Again, I'm not questioning, just asking questions because I'm not as familiar with the details of Alien. So, those Alien Eggs FOR SURE are thousands of years old?

Yes. I believe it is Tom Skerrit that says something to the effect of the ship looks like it had been there for "thousands of years".

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by jblank

The Alien Eggs found on the derelict craft in the first Alien had been there thousands of years. If this was the first Xenomorph then the eggs on the derelict came from what? The future? It just destroys the timeline and mucks up the timeline of the first Alien movie (done by Scott I might add).

Let's take into consideration that 'thousands of years' means nothing. It was a guesstimate based on what they found but we know how fast an alien can grow and also evolve... VERY. It may not have been thousands of years at all.

Also, this could have happened to the engineers once before. Who's to say it didnt? Who's to say that they consider that to be a calculated risk when creating anything, which is why they have that base far away from their home world?

[UNCMT9]

Thanks for the responses. You would've thought this date would've had more significance.

[jblank]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

Let's take into consideration that 'thousands of years' means nothing. It was a guesstimate based on what they found but we know how fast an alien can grow and also evolve... VERY. It may not have been thousands of years at all.

Also, this could have happened to the engineers once before. Who's to say it didnt? Who's to say that they consider that to be a calculated risk when creating anything, which is why they have that base far away from their home world?

But Tom Skerritt says it looks like the ship has been there for "thousands of years". If it was recently crashed, seems to me they would be able to tell that, PLUS, it's Ridley Scott's way of telling us these things have been there a long time and hadn't been disturbed until the Nostromo crew arrives.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

I still don't buy it. Everything in PROMETHEUS shows they value aggression and are trying to perfect the ultimate remorseless, pitiless, savage killing organism. We failed in that endeavor because we have at least as much capacity for peace as violence. Our humanity disgusts and offends them. They didn't have murals of us on display, mind you, but of the xenomorph. They respect and honor the utter lack of morality.

I think the experiments on their "biological weapons" are not necessarily related to human creation.

But again, these are just our interpretations based on what we watched. There's no explicit evidence in the film, which is what makes these discussions interesting. There are a number of things outside of the obvious that we can conclude.

[Gutz]

Originally Posted by deltasun

You contradict yourself there - you said "neither right or wrong," yet you said I'm not correct.

I'm just fostering some discussion on other implications not necessarily explained (probably on purpose) in the film.




That doesn't prove that this movie is about Aliens.

Theories are never 100 % correct.

As for the eggs, eggs were NOT thousand years old, the ship was according to a crew member who is clueless just like delta....lolz, just kidding

Anyway, I'm done here.

Prometheus fits Alien perfectly. H.R. GIGER would not come in to do the movie about the "origins of the humanity".

GIGER-style was all over the film, I loved it.

Aliens baby....yeah!

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by UNCMT9

Thanks for the responses. You would've thought this date would've had more significance.

Actually, the stock certificate looks like a real, full color, stock certificate. It could become a collector's item. One can only hope. Mine is number 122

[Brahby]

The deacon is definitely not the first Xenomorph or the creater of xenomorphs. You mean to tell me that a series of a events that was outside of the control of the engineers (David poisoning holloway, him pregnating shaw, her surgically removing the creature, it using the engineer as a host, AND it breaking out of said host was all a master plan and the mural one the wall predicted that?!?!? The mural clearly shows a Xenomorph and arguably a queen head above it and also shows to the sides what resemble facehuggers on what resemble humans. My guess is the xenomorph in the muralist be a different breed and the deacon is an evolution of what is on the mural but to say the deacon is the first would be false unless the illogical series of events i listed were somehow masterminded in the hopes of making this image someone sketched on the wall.

[jag2007]

My BB did not have the 3D version only the two disc so I bought that one

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by Mark Malmstrøm

I stil don't see what we need the DVD for

well it's for those who wants to see the film while other sees it? - well isn't that was the DC is suppose to be there for?

In there little commercials for digital copy, they usually cite roadtrips as the reason for DVD copies. You can pop it in the DVD player in you're SUV and entertain the family while you drive across the country! I usually give them away to friends and family making me an awesome person to know.

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Actually, the stock certificate looks like a real, full color, stock certificate. It could become a collector's item. One can only hope. Mine is number 122

I don't suppose you'd mind uploading a scan of it? Or do you think it's still possible to get one?

[animefan77]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

Here's my problem with a couple of the popular theories posited here: we're supposed to believe that such an openly violent race, with a penchant for creating the most wicked forms of biological weaponry, is a) mad at us for our violent history/tendencies and/or that they're mad because we killed their PEACE LOVING/PROMOTING emissary (i.e. Jesus)??? If anything, I think they intended us to be violent and prone to war and destruction, and perhaps it was the teachings of Jesus successfully taking us away from that path and injecting morality arguably much more potently into the human condition than it ever had been before that pissed them off. They don't hate us for our capacity for violence, but for our capacity for peace. That's why they want to replace us with the "perfect organism" of the xenomorph.

This is an interesting take.
But it still makes more sense to me that we became "too violent" is the reason that they want to destroy us.
here is my take. They are violent like us, but not all of them. Like how not all of us are violent, some engineers also hate war and hate how they have become. They are intelligent creatures, so they might have thought that if things doesn't change, they will eventually die out by their own doing(by their own weapons, etc - which is what happened at that moon) So in preventing of their own extinction, they want to create new life form that could go away from how they are. I believe it's not just our earth, but they have sacrificed many of themselves to create new life in other parts of space. But when they realized we became violent like they are, they see it as failed experiment and decided to end it.

[Monkey]

The deacon is definitely not the first Xenomorph or the creater of xenomorphs.

Of course it isn't, it can't be. Considering they show a mural in the movie with a Xenomporph. I am surprised that anybody who actually watched the movie thinks the Deacon is the first Xenomorph.

I am curious about the other mural with the Engineer and some sort of creature.

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by animefan77

This is an interesting take.
But it still makes more sense to me that we became "too violent" is the reason that they want to destroy us.
here is my take. They are violent like us, but not all of them. Like how not all of us are violent, some engineers also hate war and hate how they have become. They are intelligent creatures, so they might have thought that if things doesn't change, they will eventually die out by their own doing(by their own weapons, etc - which is what happened at that moon) So in preventing of their own extinction, they want to create new life form that could go away from how they are. I believe it's not just our earth, but they have sacrificed many of themselves to create new life in other parts of space. But when they realized we became violent like they are, they see it as failed experiment and decided to end it.

The problem with that theory--why is a ship involved with creating highly aggressive organisms at a bioweapons installation the same one charged with wiping out the violent Earthlings? They're violent pacifists??? It doesn't follow.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by jblank

But Tom Skerritt says it looks like the ship has been there for "thousands of years". If it was recently crashed, seems to me they would be able to tell that, PLUS, it's Ridley Scott's way of telling us these things have been there a long time and hadn't been disturbed until the Nostromo crew arrives.

According to Scott, the derelict on LV-426 did not crash. It landed. Based on the info in his quote, the derelict is over 2000 years old when it is discovered by the crew of the Nostromo.

“But how did that ship evolve in the first Alien?” Then I
would say “Actually he’s one of the group that had gone off and his cargo had
gotten out of control,” because he was heading somewhere else and it got out of
control and actually he had died in the process and that would be the story
there. That ship happened to be a brother to the ship that you see that comes
out of the ground at the end.[of Prometheus] They are roughly of the same period give or take
a couple hundred years, right? Other than that, there’s no real link except it
explains, I think, who may have had these capabilities, which are dreadful
weapons way beyond anything we could possibly conceive, bacteriological drums
of crap that you can drop on a planet and the planet… Do you know anything
about bacteria? If you take a teaspoon and drop it in the biggest reservoir in
London, which also scares the crap out of me, and amazes me that there are not
huge guards around it…





The implication is that the derelict left LV-223 with an infected Engineer/Space Jockey at the helm during the outbreak that killed the Engineers 2000 years before they were discovered by the Prometheus crew.

By waking the Engineer in the stasis chamber, David set in motion yet another attempt to cleanse a planet, in this case Earth.
One could assume that the Derelict was headed for Earth, as well.

[Yojimbo68]

Spoilers ahead. This cracked me up but they do also raise some interesting questions. They also actually recommend the movie in their full review.

Red Letter Media talks about Prometheus - SPOILERS - YouTube

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by thephantomcat

I don't suppose you'd mind uploading a scan of it? Or do you think it's still possible to get one?

To much proprietary info on it to upload. I suggest you register via Facebook, Twitter or email and see if you get the email with the link to the certificate. Not sure how limited the edition is. There is no info on how many are available.

http://www.weylandindustries.com/

[Mark Malmstrøm]

seeing the film now - EE detected in opening scene

[Member-167298]

I keep coming back to this over and over again when I see arguments and disagreements about how underwritten or poorly written Prometheus is...

Look at Blade Runner objectively. Despite the fact that it is now hailed as a classic and is on the AFI 100 Best list as well as preserved by the Library of Congress National Film Registry as a significant film, you can probably apply nearly all of the same criticisms to it that people are voicing here about Prometheus.

I use Blade Runner as an example to show that, despite how we have been socialized by American cinema, traditional narrative is not necessarily a central component in films. Blade Runner and Prometheus have surface level, extremely basic stories but are about so much more. They are designed to intellectually ENGAGE the audience in the exploration of BIG ideas. On the surface, does Prometheus really have anything more to say about faith and our origins than Blade Runner did about the human condition? Not really. However, Blade Runner is now highly regarded as classic cinema? Why? I believe this is because the experience of watching these movies is as much about what the audience psychologically projects onto that film from their own mind as what the writers are filmmakers are literally showing you.

As a teacher of social studies and film, I recognize this as exactly what I do in my classroom. I provide students with an essential question (e.g. Is war ever justified?), guide them to the resources where they can explore the answer to the question, and then let them reach their own conclusions. In my opinion, this same "inquiry-based" learning process is also utilized in some of the greatest and most profound films. The directors present a question or an idea and, through the events portrayed in the film, cause the viewer to reflect on that idea. For my money, this is exactly what Prometheus did.

In summation, if you want to approach your film viewing experiences as surface level entertainment, then most, if not all, of the criticisms of Prometheus are valid. However, if you view film as a deeper dialogue between a filmmaker and the audience, then Prometheus has much more to offer than some are willing to give it credit for.

Do not get me wrong, I don't think Prometheus has the same skillful nuances as Blade Runner, but I do believe in several years it will be declared a major cult classic.

[willbfree]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Lindeof comments on that in the commentary. It's not by accident that Blade Runner's themes and motifs show up in this film.

David even uses the expression "you people", same as Roy Batty did (famously) in Blade Runner.