Prometheus (2012)

[bobuk12]

Hey all, 2 things:

My cousins lived in London for a short period of time and lived next door to. Ridley Scott (never met him when I was there ) but he briefly mentioned to them that the engineers leaving 2000 years ago was originally supposed to be that one of the engineers came to earth as the (Christ) that we know of as Jesus, and they came 2000 years earlier to destroy us because we killed him. That later got scrapped or MAY be in Paradise.

My second question is for anyone who saw the special features. What questions are specifically answered???? Thanks!

[phansson]

Originally Posted by Mark Malmstrøm

seeing the film now - EE detected in opening scene

I honestly find this hard to believe. Where?

[jblank]

Originally Posted by Gutz

Theories are never 100 % correct.

As for the eggs, eggs were NOT thousand years old, the ship was according to a crew member who is clueless just like delta....lolz, just kidding

Anyway, I'm done here.

Prometheus fits Alien perfectly. H.R. GIGER would not come in to do the movie about the "origins of the humanity".

GIGER-style was all over the film, I loved it.

Aliens baby....yeah!

Giger was brought in but because of time constraints was not involved with Prometheus.

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by phansson

i honestly find this hard to believe. Where?

I'd like to see as well. Not that I care, since I didn't notice, but I find it hard to believe.

[animefan77]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

The problem with that theory--why is a ship involved with creating highly aggressive organisms at a bioweapons installation the same one charged with wiping out the violent Earthlings? They're violent pacifists??? It doesn't follow.

well think about us. United States is considered peace keepers of our world (well, at least we think we are) But we also have the most destructive weapon that can destroy the entire planet. We give aids to countries in need, but if we think they are violent towards us, we will send troops and bomb their countries. We have both the helpful and destuctive means to our neighbors. So i don't think it's far fetch to think that Engineers can have the desire to create something non-violent but have in their possession the most deadliest weapons too.

[jblank]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

According to Scott, the derelict on LV-426 did not crash. It landed. Based on the info in his quote, the derelict is over 2000 years old when it is discovered by the crew of the Nostromo.

“But how did that ship evolve in the first Alien?” Then I
would say “Actually he’s one of the group that had gone off and his cargo had
gotten out of control,” because he was heading somewhere else and it got out of
control and actually he had died in the process and that would be the story
there. That ship happened to be a brother to the ship that you see that comes
out of the ground at the end.[of Prometheus] They are roughly of the same period give or take
a couple hundred years, right? Other than that, there’s no real link except it
explains, I think, who may have had these capabilities, which are dreadful
weapons way beyond anything we could possibly conceive, bacteriological drums
of crap that you can drop on a planet and the planet… Do you know anything
about bacteria? If you take a teaspoon and drop it in the biggest reservoir in
London, which also scares the crap out of me, and amazes me that there are not
huge guards around it…



He goes on to say it wasn’t heading for earth and it landed
it didn’t crash.

The implication is that the derelict left LV-223 with an infected Engineer/Space Jockey at the helm during the outbreak that killed the Engineers 2000 years before they were discovered by the Prometheus crew.

By waking the Engineer in the stasis chamber, David set in motion yet another attempt to cleanse a planet, in this case Earth.
One could assume that the Derelict was headed for another planet where things had gone wrong and it was time for a do over.

First I have heard of that. If that is the case though, why was it basically impaled into the ground then? I thought conventional wisdom was that the pilot (space jockey) was infected, tried to land, crashed, was weakened, died as a result of a chestburster.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by willbfree

David even uses the expression "you people", same as Roy Batty did (famously) in Blade Runner.

As well as in Tropic Thunder.

[Gutz]

Originally Posted by jblank

Giger was brought in but because of time constraints was not involved with Prometheus.

Please tell me you're joking.

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by Gutz

Please tell me you're joking.

It's in the documentary. He gave them notes and changes to make, but they were pushed for time and stuck with ideas they had already developed prior to his visit.

[jblank]

Originally Posted by Gutz

Please tell me you're joking.

Nope. Did you not watch the documentary on the special features disc?

[Gutz]

Originally Posted by RJ Smoove

It's in the documentary. He gave them notes and changes to make, but they were pushed for time and stuck with ideas they had already developed prior to his visit.

Originally Posted by jblank

Nope. Did you not watch the documentary on the special features disc?

Giger was involved but his ideas did not make it to the film.

He had numerous meetings with Scott.

C'mon guys.

EDIT: Plus he is credited in the titles anyway.

[jblank]

Originally Posted by Gutz

Giger was involved but his ideas did not make it to the film.

He had numerous meetings with Scott.

C'mon guys.

Ok, so Ridley Scott lied in the documentary when he said that they couldn't go with Giger's ideas because of time constraints, but Gutz on the Blu-ray.com forum is telling us the truth.

Could you possibly act more bizarrely than you have in this thread?

Edit - He has to be credited because of the nature of copyrights. The "Xenomorph" or any variation of it, if it is shown, means Giger gets a credit. It is how it works.

[Yojimbo68]

Originally Posted by PrestonXI

In summation, if you want to approach your film viewing experiences as surface level entertainment, then most, if not all, of the criticisms of Prometheus are valid. However, if you view film as a deeper dialogue between a filmmaker and the audience, then Prometheus has much more to offer than some are willing to give it credit for.

Do not get me wrong, I don't think Prometheus has the same skillful nuances as Blade Runner, but I do believe in several years it will be declared a major cult classic.

That whole "dialogue between a filmmaker and the audience" line sounds like a bit of a cop out to me. Story is a complicated business. I submit to you that's it's easier to construct blueprints for a house than to take on a story and structure. So many variables come into play. Not only in the structure of the story but in the subtext of all the characters. Personally, I think the script was half baked. It just wasn't quite ready. And it has a healty dose scientology shoe horned in that spoils some of the proceedings. The film looks great as all of Ridley Scott's movies do. But that is his Achilles heel. He will always go with production design before story. Prometheus is interesting and the clips make for a great trailer. But it could have been so much more than a "major cult classic".

[Gutz]

Originally Posted by jblank

Ok, so Ridley Scott lied in the documentary when he said that they couldn't go with Giger's ideas because of time constraints, but Gutz on the Blu-ray.com forum is telling us the truth.

Could you possibly act more bizarrely than you have in this thread?

Edit - He has to be credited because of the nature of copyrights. The "Xenomorph" or any variation of it, if it is shown, means Giger gets a credit. It is how it works.

Yeah, they are just ordering some lunch here.

[jblank]

Ok, last time I am going to tell you this. It is stated, CLEARLY, in the making of Prometheus documentary, that they couldn't go with Giger's ideas because Hollywood moves much faster now and time constraints prohibited them waiting on Giger. Therefore they had to go with their original designs.

Don't believe me? Watch the damn thing and listen for yourself. Christ you're obtuse and bullheaded.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by jblank

First I have heard of that. If that is the case though, why was it basically impaled into the ground then? I thought conventional wisdom was that the pilot (space jockey) was infected, tried to land, crashed, was weakened, died as a result of a chestburster.

I revised that post 4 times . I checked a few more sources and did not see the statement that the derelict was not headed to Earth. But I have seen interviews with Ridley stating that the Derelict landed and did not crash.

Here is a fair compilation of quotes from Ridley Scott, Damon Lindelof, and John Spaihts on several of the questions raised in this thread. Hope it adds to the discussion.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/prometheus/Official_Quotes

[Monkey]

LOL, Ridley lied. In fact Gieger made the entire film, he worked every camera, every angle. He composed every shot.

[Himmel]

So when do we all move to the Paradise board???

[Gutz]

Originally Posted by jblank

Ok, last time I am going to tell you this. It is stated, CLEARLY, in the making of Prometheus documentary, that they couldn't go with Giger's ideas because Hollywood moves much faster now and time constraints prohibited them waiting on Giger. Therefore they had to go with their original designs.

Don't believe me? Watch the damn thing and listen for yourself. Christ you're obtuse and bullheaded.

I never said they went with his ideas. WTF? I said Scott consulted with Giger regarding what they did.

He met with Scott DURING the making of Prometheus how the hell it is not an involvement?

Once again, I never said that GIGER did design for Prometheus but was involved in it.

[jblank]

To raygendreau: Nah buddy, I believe you. Until today though I just had never heard it described as anything other than a derelict or crashed ship. Still doesn't change the timeline though and means that the ship had been there for a loooooooooong time.