Prometheus (2012)

[SirMontyPython]

Originally Posted by Lucif3r

Love this quote, kind of sums the film up and ties in the whole God/creator idea:

[Show spoiler]Why do the Engineers Want to Destroy the Humans?

Ridley Scott: "If you look at it as an 'our children are misbehaving down there' scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, 'Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it.' Guess what? They crucified him."

So in essence, the ship in Prometheus was to be the second coming of Jesus.

I think that concept is so intriguing, seriously....religion can be blasphemous in any regard....

[mrr1]

So Jesus was actually a xenomorph, and not an engineer? This movie is awesome.

[Lucif3r]

Originally Posted by Gutz

The first origin of Xenomorph.

By the book, 3 should be a cow, but a dog works better.

Originally Posted by groove93

I'm pretty sure that as a biological engineer at the level of the Engineers, you are fully aware of all the outcomes of your work. As said in the film, that room is "just another tomb" with someone's sarcophagus, the "headstone" shown above, his face a la sphinx, beautiful artwork on the ceiling and possibly his life's work (The biological "weapon") surrounding him like the pharaohs of old.

[Gutz]

Originally Posted by Lucif3r

By the book, 3 should be a cow, but a dog works better.



I'm pretty sure that as a biological engineer at the level of the Engineers, you are fully aware of all the outcomes of your work. As said in the film, that room is "just another tomb" with someone's sarcophagus, the "headstone" shown above, his face a la sphinx, beautiful artwork on the ceiling and possibly his life's work (The biological "weapon") surrounding him like the pharaohs of old.

Thank you. One person confirmed that it's NOT an Alien.

Epic win.

Jesus was a xenomorph......lmao.....Bwhahahahaah...

[starkent08]

Et phone home

[R0CK0X]

Originally Posted by jblank

they couldn't go with Giger's ideas because Hollywood moves much faster now and time constraints prohibited them waiting on Giger. Therefore they had to go with their original designs

Honestly, I don't think they had any intention of really working with Giger on this. Based on his experience with Alien, Ridley Scott knew how hands-on Giger is with his art, so I think their talks weren't much more than Ridley Scott asking for Giger's blessing.

[johnstrk]

All this discussion and speculation, just goes to show you how great this movie really is!!!

"We Were Wrong, We Were So Wrong"

[moviecriticsonline]

Man, the split between the frame and black bars at the top and bottom of the print on "Prometheus" are annoying. There is a white line that is very visible to the eyes. Most films on Blu-ray don't have that visible line split, usually it's seamless.

I attached some pictures of it. I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned before.

[starkent08]

Originally Posted by moviecriticsonline

Man, the split between the frame and black bars at the top and bottom of the print on "Prometheus" are annoying. There is a white line that is very visible to the eyes. Most films on Blu-ray don't have that visible line split, usually it's seamless.

I attached some pictures of it. I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned before.

Bc most of us have an invention called a zoom feature

[moviecriticsonline]

Originally Posted by starkent08

Bc most of us have an invention called a zoom feature

Why would you zoom in?

Yeah zoom in, and cut off half the picture.

[Lucif3r]

Originally Posted by Gutz

Thank you. One person confirmed that it's NOT an Alien.

Epic win.

Jesus was a xenomorph......lmao.....Bwhahahahaah...

I haven't read the rest of the argument; are you thinking that I'm implying that the above photo is not of a form of xenomorph? It's one of the many outcomes of their biological agent (black ooze). We're dealing with a creature that can recombine, manipulate DNA and in essence, create life on a whim. In doing so, one would have to assume that they also have some "fun" ways of disposing of it as well. Ridley is quoted as saying that the ship that landed on LV-426 was overtaken upon landing by "its cargo."

Jesus wasn't a xeno, he was an ammbasitor from the Engineers sent to say "Chill and be groovy." We killed him, the Juggernaut was loaded and to be dispatched.

[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by Gutz

Thank you. One person confirmed that it's NOT an Alien.
Epic win.

Jesus was a xenomorph......lmao.....Bwhahahahaah...

Sounds like he was saying it IS or WAS an alien. But to say that mural in no way resembles the xenomorph or the creature that burst out of the engineer at the end is a bit silly. It may not be the EXACT same creature we are used to but a version of it?....absolutely.

[Gutz]

Originally Posted by Lucif3r

I haven't read the rest of the argument; are you thinking that I'm implying that the above photo is not of a form of xenomorph? It's one of the many outcomes of their biological agent (black ooze). We're dealing with a creature that can recombine, manipulate DNA and in essence, create life on a whim. In doing so, one would have to assume that they also have some "fun" ways of disposing of it as well. Ridley is quoted as saying that the ship that landed on LV-426 was overtaken upon landing by "its cargo."

Jesus wasn't a xeno, he was an ammbasitor from the Engineers sent to say "Chill and be groovy." We killed him, the Juggernaut was loaded and to be dispatched.

I think it was a similar creature but the first, true origin of xenomorph ALIEN is a result of Elizabeth's baby and the engineer.

EDIT: Did Scott confirmed this in his audio commentary or documentary or did he deny it?

[raygendreau]

The Geiger Altar may have been nothing more than an homage to Geiger.

http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2012...ger-altar.html

Regarding the Deacon being a Queen xenomorph. It is a Deacon not a Deaconess. It was described as the size of a six year old boy (not a girl) by the effects people that created it. ( from the Art of Prometheus book)

In both cases, it will be up to the director and writers of Prometheus 2 (Paradise) what they do with these concepts. Too early to tell.

In addition, the term 'Deacon' was coined by Ridley based on the shape of the Deacon's head at birth. The head is used like an egg tooth to egress an egg when an egg hatches. There is speculation that as the Deacon matures, its shape may change.

[deltasun]

Btw, if anybody needs help getting the Target 3D exclusive (in slipbox + mini-booklet, please PM me.

[mrr1]

Originally Posted by johnstrk

All this discussion and speculation, just goes to show you how great this movie really is!!!

Great? No.

If anything, the discussion and speculation shows what a confusing mess Prometheus is, even after it is explained away by its creators.

[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by mrr1

Great? No.

If anything, the discussion and speculation shows what a confusing mess Prometheus is, even after it is explained away by its creators.

Is the film "great"? Maybe not...but it is certainly interesting that while people are very split about the film they sure as hell can't quit talking about it. Even the people bombing on it keep coming back for more lol

There IS something great about that. Better to have a movie people talk about, good or bad, than have a completely forgettable film that even the people that enjoy it don't talk about.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by mrr1

Great? No.

If anything, the discussion and speculation shows what a confusing mess Prometheus is, even after it is explained away by its creators.

Most of what's being discussed is not due to confusion, but the between the lines parts that have more than one interpretation.

[Lucif3r]

Originally Posted by Gutz

I think it was a similar creature but the first, true origin of xenomorph ALIEN is a result of Elizabeth's baby and the engineer.

EDIT: Did Scott confirmed this in his audio commentary or documentary or did he deny it?

Not necessarily, as Ridley is quoted as saying that the the ship on LV-426 was was a brother to the one on LV-223, which we can guess was either loaded with the black ooze or possibly the eggs. Kind of a "which came first, chicken or the egg" conundrum. Either way, when combined with Humans, the xenomorph we all grew up scared of comes into picture.

Remember, this is simple genetics at play. The xenomorph creature takes on the characteristics of it's host by way of DNA manipulation/splicing. As pointed out in the film, our DNA is identical to that of the engineer. That said, the "junk genes" contained there within, can be massively different. I'm pretty sure the Engineers have seen the creature at the end of the film before. Again, it is their biological weapon after all.

Another option is to view Elizabeth's baby much like Ripley's in Alien Resurrection, inbred.

EDIT: Forgot the Ridley quote:

[Show spoiler]Ridley Scott: "For all intents and purposes this is very loosely a prequel, very, and then you say 'But how did that ship evolve in the first Alien?' Then I would say 'Actually he's one of the group that had gone off and his cargo had gotten out of control,' because he was heading somewhere else and it got out of control and actually he had died in the process and that would be the story there. That ship happened to be a brother to the ship that you see that comes out of the ground at the end. They are roughly of the same period give or take a couple hundred years, right? Other than that, there's no real link except it explains, I think, who may have had these capabilities, which are dreadful weapons way beyond anything we could possibly conceive, bacteriological drums of shit that you can drop on a planet..."

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

Is the film "great"? Maybe not...but it is certainly interesting that while people are very split about the film they sure as hell can't quit talking about it. Even the people bombing on it keep coming back for more lol

There IS something great about that. Better to have a movie people talk about, good or bad, than have a completely forgettable film that even the people that enjoyed it don't talk about.

Precisely, that would be what I'd want if I directed or wrote a film. I'd like the accolades, but the after-movie discussions are even better.