Prometheus (2012)

[srinivas1015]

Finally got my copy of Prometheus today

My entire collection:

[Sephiroth5929]

Originally Posted by TheHighRoller

At least it Prometheus in shrinkwrap! That way you don't have to damage your slipcover with Goo Gone or alcohol. (Do aliens drink alcohol? Remember what happened to E.T.)

I bought it from BB and it had the BD case shrink wrapped, but not the slipcover. The slip had two stickers, one that came with it and came off easily, the sticker had a price sticker that didn't come off so easily. I really hate that.

[SirMontyPython]

Originally Posted by IlGialloMondadori

Just rewatched the film. Despite being angry at it when I saw it in the theatre, surprisingly, I found myself enjoying the film a great deal. It's still flawed, and I refuse to believe the 2000 years thing is anything other than a coincidence to set this sometime in line with Alien and the that Engineers crashed on LV 426 - and I hate the Space Jesus thing, so I'll just pretend it doesn't exist - but damn, I actually enjoyed it. I mostly viewed it as a horror film and didn't think about the science too much.

See...it wasn't so bad now was it! I'm glad you liked it after a second viewing....all science related aside, here's something I noticed: some of those scientists talking about distances and how much money spent, I took it as them speaking in general terms: "half a billion miles away" = a long way from Earth, "a trillion dollars" = a lot of money....so on and so forth. I didn't take too much of what was said literal because they were simply making a point....just sayin'

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by SirMontyPython

See...it wasn't so bad now was it! I'm glad you liked it after a second viewing....all science related aside, here's something I noticed: some of those scientists talking about distances and how much money spent, I took it as them speaking in general terms: "half a billion miles away" = a long way from Earth, "a trillion dollars" = a lot of money....so on and so forth. I didn't take too much of what was said literal because they were simply making a point....just sayin'

Yes. Its hyperbole. People use it all the time in casual conversation. They weren't giving detailed dissertations.

[groove93]

I watched it again last night and I'm very curious about a few things.

At the beginning of the film, as the engineer opened the cup to reveal what he was about to drink, there was a reaction that caused it to change.


I wonder what was the atmosphere requirements prior to David opening the door to the "Head Room". It was obvious that a change in Temperature and possibly a change in atmospheric conditions such as introducing Oxygen or Carbon Dioxide caused the Ampules to bleed as well as the murals on the walls to change form.

The severed head of the Engineer, when they "jump started" it, blood, or black goo began to ooz out before it completely exploded.

I wonder if the Engineers were already aware of what can be produced when dealing with Human Genetic Material and the Black goo, which could probably be the reason as to why the awakened Engineer without warning attacked the Crew of the Prometheus.

I'm thinking along the lines of the Engineer waking up, seeing that Humans are still in existence when they were supposed to be wiped from the earth, and without fail, he had to kill what was in his presence, then head to earth to finish the job.

We saw what happened to Fifield who was exposed to a large dosage of the Goo, and of course Holloway was in the early stages of changing.


The worms are another variable because they were also affected, and were violent in nature, but were they considered and "intelligent species", probably not, so no threat. However, humans with a possibility of gaining the same level of intelligence as the Engineers, could pose a threat.

[Bumbuliuz]

I was looking at the 3 disc 3d version and it says that the furious gods doc is only 120 min. I thought it was almost 4 hours? Are we just getting shafted here?

[groove93]

Originally Posted by Bumbuliuz

I was looking at the 3 disc 3d version and it says that the furious gods doc is only 120 min. I thought it was almost 4 hours? Are we just getting shafted here?

NO, it's about 4 hours. Just choose to play the entire video rather than segmenting it.



Lots of great information about how this film was developed from the ground up.

[srinivas1015]

Originally Posted by Bumbuliuz

I was looking at the 3 disc 3d version and it says that the furious gods doc is only 120 min. I thought it was almost 4 hours? Are we just getting shafted here?

That entire doc is for around 3 hours and the enhancement pods are another 1 hour. So no, we aren't getting shafted.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by SirMontyPython

See...it wasn't so bad now was it! I'm glad you liked it after a second viewing....all science related aside, here's something I noticed: some of those scientists talking about distances and how much money spent, I took it as them speaking in general terms: "half a billion miles away" = a long way from Earth, "a trillion dollars" = a lot of money....so on and so forth. I didn't take too much of what was said literal because they were simply making a point....just sayin'

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Yes. Its hyperbole. People use it all the time in casual conversation. They weren't giving detailed dissertations.

Sure, in other scenes. If you go back to the 2000 year comment, Shaw was using a carbon-dating device and was reading the analysis that said 2000 year ago. It wasn't a casual conversation there, but an actual reading from the device.

[tkbryant]

Originally Posted by Bumbuliuz

I was looking at the 3 disc 3d version and it says that the furious gods doc is only 120 min. I thought it was almost 4 hours? Are we just getting shafted here?

It's 3 hours 41 minutes. I just finished watching it last night. It's a fantastic documentary!!

[returnofthemack]

this is such a good movie. is it absolutely perfect? no but very few movies are. this is such a fantastic blu ray. the PQ is jaw dropping. the extras are good. i dont think ive ever watched a 3 and half hour doc on one movie before but i did for this. the weyland files are good also, especially the last one with young weyland. the ideas in this movie are so good and awesome that we could easily get 2 quality sequels out of it. all i want is ridley scott to direct at least one of those sequels.

[tkbryant]

Originally Posted by groove93

I watched it again last night and I'm very curious about a few things.

At the beginning of the film, as the engineer opened the cup to reveal what he was about to drink, there was a reaction that caused it to change.


I wonder what was the atmosphere requirements prior to David opening the door to the "Head Room". It was obvious that a change in Temperature and possibly a change in atmospheric conditions such as introducing Oxygen or Carbon Dioxide caused the Ampules to bleed as well as the murals on the walls to change form.

The severed head of the Engineer, when they "jump started" it, blood, or black goo began to ooz out before it completely exploded.

I wonder if the Engineers were already aware of what can be produced when dealing with Human Genetic Material and the Black goo, which could probably be the reason as to why the awakened Engineer without warning attacked the Crew of the Prometheus.

I'm thinking along the lines of the Engineer waking up, seeing that Humans are still in existence when they were supposed to be wiped from the earth, and without fail, he had to kill what was in his presence, then head to earth to finish the job.

We saw what happened to Fifield who was exposed to a large dosage of the Goo, and of course Holloway was in the early stages of changing.


The worms are another variable because they were also affected, and were violent in nature, but were they considered and "intelligent species", probably not, so no threat. However, humans with a possibility of gaining the same level of intelligence as the Engineers, could pose a threat.

Perhaps, the Engineers created man only to see us evolve and then deemed us not worthy of their attention after some "event" but then something goes horribly wrong for them and not only were their outposts infected like LV-223 but their home world as well. I have a feeling what David and Shaw find on the Engineer homeworld or "Paradise" is going to be in ruin or the Engineers will be fighting a war on their own planet with their "experiments".

[olivehead]

Originally Posted by groove93

NO, it's about 4 hours. Just choose to play the entire video rather than segmenting it.



Lots of great information about how this film was developed from the ground up.

an hour into it, this appears to be another excellent making-of from charles lauzirika and company. am i correct that it runs about 3:40 WITHOUT the enhancement pods? either way, can these pods be played separately, or only as part of the doc?

[mrr1]

After sleeping on it, I think my sole frustration with this movie lies with its connection to the original Alien franchise.

If the engineers didn't have the same suits as the space jockey in Alien and the Engineers' ship was a completely different design than the crashed vessel in Alien, I think Prometheus is a good stand-alone space horror movie that could happen to take place in the Alien universe.

But the loose Alien connections, such as caustic worm blood, the Giger shrine in the tomb, the giant squid face hugger, the full-grown alien jumping out of the engineer's chest, just needlessly tips a hat to the original Alien. Prometheus is a good movie on its own terms, and they could have (should have) just went in its own direction with the Engineer's ship/suit design, and everything.

Still, I like it but I wish I could like it more. If that makes sense.

[olivehead]

Originally Posted by mrr1

After sleeping on it, I think my sole frustration with this movie lies with its connection to the original Alien franchise.

If the engineers didn't have the same suits as the space jockey in Alien and the Engineers' ship was a completely different design than the crashed vessel in Alien, I think Prometheus is a good stand-alone space horror movie that could happen to take place in the Alien universe.

But the loose Alien connections, such as caustic worm blood, the Giger shrine in the tomb, the giant squid face hugger, the full-grown alien jumping out of the engineer's chest, just needlessly tips a hat to the original Alien. Prometheus is a good movie on its own terms, and they could have (should have) just went in its own direction with the Engineer's ship/suit design, and everything.

Still, I like it but I wish I could like it more. If that makes sense.

All good points. Similarly, my main issue really boils down to creature design and how these things relate, or don't relate, to what we see in Alien. At times the creature design seems a bit of a mish-mash of ideas, trying (not so successfully IMHO) to tie to Alien, but not be too on-the-nose. How do we get from symetrical cylinders to "eggs"? How do we get from either a cobra-like thing or a a 20 foot octopus-thing to a face hugger? Etc. Maybe I'm over analyzing it.

[vidjunkie]

Originally Posted by olivehead

All good points. Similarly, my main issue really boils down to creature design and how these things relate, or don't relate, to what we see in Alien. At times the creature design seems a bit of a mish-mash of ideas, trying (not so successfully IMHO) to tie to Alien, but not be too on-the-nose. How do we get from symetrical cylinders to "eggs"? How do we get from either a cobra-like thing or a a 20 foot octopus-thing to a face hugger? Etc. Maybe I'm over analyzing it.

I was wondering this exact same sh*t lol, I definitely need to watch this again.

[gates70]

Originally Posted by olivehead

All good points. Similarly, my main issue really boils down to creature design and how these things relate, or don't relate, to what we see in Alien. At times the creature design seems a bit of a mish-mash of ideas, trying (not so successfully IMHO) to tie to Alien, but not be too on-the-nose. How do we get from symetrical cylinders to "eggs"? How do we get from either a cobra-like thing or a a 20 foot octopus-thing to a face hugger? Etc. Maybe I'm over analyzing it.

Maybe they'll explain and things will evolve in the next 2 films to finally look like Alien. Patience people....

[groove93]

Originally Posted by olivehead

an hour into it, this appears to be another excellent making-of from charles lauzirika and company. am i correct that it runs about 3:40 WITHOUT the enhancement pods? either way, can these pods be played separately, or only as part of the doc?

As with the case of the Alien Anthology Boxset, documentaries such as that one and for Prometheus are one of those lazy Sundays on the couch type events. I received the 4-disc Prometheus 3d set Wednesday night from Amazon and went right to the Documentary.

I was bummed by the lack of Giger's presence in the film and I can understand how things have changed within 30 years with regards to the process of making movies and how Gung Ho studios have become pushing out as much product as possible, but maybe in the next film Mr. Scott can manage to get more time in with Giger to really wow the audience as was the case with Alien.

[olivehead]

Originally Posted by gates70

Maybe they'll explain and things will evolve in the next 2 films to finally look like Alien. Patience people....

I meant to add that I think the design of the Engineers was the best "creature" design in the movie by far, and I had less trouble adjusting to the concept that the space jockey of Alien was really an exoskeleton/spacesuit than I thought I would.

[IlGialloMondadori]

Originally Posted by SirMontyPython

See...it wasn't so bad now was it! I'm glad you liked it after a second viewing....all science related aside, here's something I noticed: some of those scientists talking about distances and how much money spent, I took it as them speaking in general terms: "half a billion miles away" = a long way from Earth, "a trillion dollars" = a lot of money....so on and so forth. I didn't take too much of what was said literal because they were simply making a point....just sayin'

I'm not sure about the amount thing. Sure, I can buy it.
At this point, I'm prepared to say the film is underrated. Personally, I think the film would play much better had the script been rewritten, and maybe focused more on Weyland's Icarus-like quest with David - it seems like they tried to do it like Alien, with a bunch of characters getting equal time, but we were told from the ads and from Noomi and Douchebag McScientistMan that they're the main characters, but in Noomi's case, that's not really true, and in DB Scientist's case, that's REALLY not true - he's a very unlikable, and uninteresting character, some from the writing, some from his acting, and he sort of has a face I'd like to punch.

Anyway, it's definitely a fascinating film with gorgeous visuals, among the best science fiction visuals ever put to film.