Prometheus (2012)

[SirMontyPython]

Originally Posted by srinivas1015

Well, to be fair, I just noticed that you can't see the sofa in the screenshots . There's the Prometheus case, slipcover, Amazon packaging, potato chips and a pepsi bottle and a bunch of other stuff. There's literally no place to sit . Not to mention the chair in the middle of the remove which is not usually present.

Dude that's not a mess...

[Monk360]

Originally Posted by mrr1

I don't think Prometheus will ever be "revered".

Actually, I think it is already being revered.

I have a feeling that the majority of people who watched Prometheus in theaters were Alien fans simply looking for a new Alien movie. Of those, approximately 70% rated the film well (looking at Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB numbers). I think the remaining 30% who didn't like it immediately took to spending the last few months venting out their frustrations on Internet forums...whereas the people who liked the film simply stated "I really liked/loved Prometheus". This would easily lead one to believe that Prometheus was a total disaster...myself included.

Now that Prometheus has been released on Blu-ray/DVD, however, I'm now seeing the opposite. Just looking at Twitter (for example) over the last few days, there have been thousands of tweets about Prometheus. For every one person that claims that Prometheus is the worst film ever made...there's at least six or seven people that claim it's the best film ever made. It also seems that people who originally hated Prometheus are now starting to enjoy it despite its "flaws" after mutiple viewings.

Either way, love it or hate it, people are still talking about this film almost 6 months after being released. The extremely vocal minority of people who didn't like the film and venting about it are doing a great job of arousing the curiosity of the rest of the world in the process. That being said, I can easily see Prometheus standing alongside Alien and Blade Runner as highly-revered films in the coming decades.

[raygendreau]

This "goo" chart was posted earlier. Here's my question. Is this just another de Lauzirika "gotcha" or is this canon?

http://imgur.com/hm4SP

It seems to mesh with several characteristics mentioned by Scott and Lindelof in an interview several months ago:

[DL] I think another version of your question could be interpreted as “What does the black goo do?”

[RS] Three things! Cleans your teeth…

[DL] [Laughing] Exactly! And I think that one of the things that I love about Ridley’s movies, and have loved long before I worked with him – and it’s very surreal to be on the inside of – thirty-some odd years after Blade Runner we’re all still talking about whether or not Deckard is a robot. So there’s a speculative part of it, so the question becomes “what does the black goo do?” That is the question that you’re supposed to be asking coming out of this movie. The movie demonstrates what it does in certain circumstances. So, here’s what it does if it gets on worms; here’s what it does if it gets on your face; here’s what it does if someone just puts a little bit of it in your drink. So, now we see that that lots of this is headed to Earth. Now, you used the word “weapon”, you’re extrapolating that based on the theory [Prometheus captain] Janek has, because it looks like a payload to him: all these ships are loaded with this stuff, and they’re headed for Earth. The intent has to be to wipe us out, or is it to evolve us, or is it for something else?

http://www.slashgear.com/ridley-scot...ncut-02231334/

[_V_]

This has been my favorite movie of the year so far, and I think it has added to the Alien legacy in ways that we still haven't seen yet. It's not surprising that the movie has haters as it comes from (really, ahead in the timeline) of two classic films - two of my favorite films of all time. I think it will definitely stand the test of time and only increase in popularity. This film completely surprised me and when the original news of the film broke I didn't see anything positive coming from it. Up until I saw it, I thought that. I was wrong. I feel like anyone who "hates it" never gave it a chance - there really is nothing to hate about it, in my eyes.

Originally Posted by Monk360

Actually, I think it is already being revered.

I have a feeling that the majority of people who watched Prometheus in theaters were Alien fans simply looking for a new Alien movie. Of those, approximately 70% rated the film well (looking at Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB numbers). I think the remaining 30% who didn't like it immediately took to spending the last few months venting out their frustrations on Internet forums...whereas the people who liked the film simply stated "I really liked/loved Prometheus". This would easily lead one to believe that Prometheus was a total disaster...myself included.

Now that Prometheus has been released on Blu-ray/DVD, however, I'm now seeing the opposite. Just looking at Twitter (for example) over the last few days, there have been thousands of tweets about Prometheus. For every one person that claims that Prometheus is the worst film ever made...there's at least six or seven people that claim it's the best film ever made. It also seems that people who originally hated Prometheus are now starting to enjoy it despite its "flaws" after mutiple viewings.

Either way, love it or hate it, people are still talking about this film almost 6 months after being released. The extremely vocal minority of people who didn't like the film and venting about it are doing a great job of arousing the curiosity of the rest of the world in the process. That being said, I can easily see Prometheus standing alongside Alien and Blade Runner as highly-revered films in the coming decades.

[mrr1]

Originally Posted by Monk360

For every one person that claims that Prometheus is the worst film ever made...there's at least six or seven people that claim it's the best film ever made.

Anybody who claims that Prometheus is the "best movie ever made" is suspect.

And as I stated before, there's a lot of discussion around this movie because they are digging around, trying to figure out the mess of a plot and piecing together loose ends. It's not like the commentary around the internet is full of deep and profound philosophical discussion on Prometheus. And there likely won't be, because Prometheus is not much more than a pseudo-philosophical monster flick (and there's nothing wrong with that - it is a good movie). But the questions Prometheus asks the audience aren't as thought-provoking and important as the ones asked in 2001 or Blade Runner.

Prometheus is a pretty cool movie that people are talking about, because fans of Alien generally like it, and are trying very hard to find reasons to love it.

[FromTheInside]

Originally Posted by chad_1138

Do you mean the iTunes copy? You can't use the code in the insert for iTunes. Put the disc in, open the Fox Digital Copy interface, put the code in from the insert, and you will get a new code.

Hope this is what you meant.

Thanks, you helped me out!

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by dp1890

I think people who hold very high standards for films and sci-fi in general will hate Prometheus. They were expecting the next 2001 or Bladerunner, and instead got a flawed but average sci-fi flick that's criticized very harshly. I kind of blame the marketing which was relentless for this film, not to mention that a lot of details were revealed in the trailer which may have killed the suspense of certain scenes. Judging from retablo's collection of criterions, I'm not too surprised from the criticism of storytelling, since people tend to raise their standards as they watch more quality films.

Again, not that there aren't any, but I'd love to hear these flaws. You paint with a broad brush, but no details as to what you found as a flaw.

[SirMontyPython]

Originally Posted by mrr1

Anybody who claims that Prometheus is the "best movie ever made" is suspect.

And as I stated before, there's a lot of discussion around this movie because they are digging around, trying to figure out the mess of a plot and piecing together loose ends. It's not like the commentary around the internet is full of deep and profound philosophical discussion on Prometheus. And there likely won't be, because Prometheus is not much more than a pseudo-philosophical monster flick (and there's nothing wrong with that - it is a good movie). But the questions Prometheus asks the audience aren't as thought-provoking and important as the ones asked in 2001 or Blade Runner.

Prometheus is a pretty cool movie that people are talking about, because fans of Alien generally like it, and are trying very hard to find reasons to love it.

....that sounds a bit jaded....if you go to a forum like Prometheus-movie.com for example, you'll see how passionate some of those viewers are in trying to piece all those puzzle pieces, and there are some really cool theories....go check it out.....I, for one, really enjoyed this movie, and I leave my judgment a bit open ended since there are still 2 more films being worked on that I am going to rely on to get those questions answered...

[Monk360]

Originally Posted by mrr1

And as I stated before, there's a lot of discussion around this movie because they are digging around, trying to figure out the mess of a plot and piecing together loose ends. It's not like the commentary around the internet is full of deep and profound philosophical discussion on Prometheus. And there likely won't be, because Prometheus is not much more than a pseudo-philosophical monster flick (and there's nothing wrong with that - it is a good movie). But the questions Prometheus asks the audience aren't as thought-provoking and important as the ones asked in 2001 or Blade Runner.

I disagree. I honestly don't think people would invest so much time debating (passionately, in some cases) the merits of a film unless it somehow affected them on a personal level. If the film in fact had been just a "mess of a plot that was full of loose ends", I think people would just relegate it to the pile of the other failed films in the Alien franchise and forget about it. The truth is that Prometheus was/is very thought-provoking...and as such, not something people are going to let go of anytime soon.

To me, it seems that people would rather argue about Prometheus on a superficial level as it's a way to discuss the film without getting into a debate about the film's themes. Debates about creation and science rarely end well.

[Dave_6]

Is that 'goo chart' anywhere on either of the Blu-ray discs or on the mobile app? I haven't found it yet if it is.

[mrr1]

Originally Posted by Monk360

The truth is that Prometheus was/is very thought-provoking...and as such, not something people are going to let go of anytime soon.

We're not going to agree. I'm obviously perceiving something very different than what you are.

I really hope the sequels improve upon what has been set up.

[tkbryant]

Originally Posted by Lutz

I give credit to creating a great mythology and having reasonable eye candy - which brings me back to the movie - but Prometheus varies significantly from Blade Runner in that it is just such a joyless movie to watch. I think Richard Brody hit the nail on the head in his review of Prometheus.

"The movie lacks any joyful sense of discovery, such as emerges (intermittently) through the vainglorious bombast of “Alien.” Scott’s grim direction here seems to respond in advance to its critics: of course there’s no fun; the creation of human life and the destruction of it from that very source is serious business and deserves as grand and sober a treatment as possible."

People should keep their expectations in check sometimes. I wasn't expecting the next coming of Christ. I was expecting a worthy addition to the "Alien" universe, something we haven't had since "Aliens". The movie expanded the mythology indirectly while opening up a whole new story to explore. That's what I was hoping for and that's more or less what I got.

[Monk360]

Originally Posted by mrr1

We're not going to agree. I'm obviously perceiving something very different than what you are.

Agreed, and that's ok.

Originally Posted by mrr1

I really hope the sequels improve upon what has been set up.

I wholeheartedly agree here.

[Fabiosugitani]

Prometheus killed my PS3.
Good thing I have another player. He was going to be 4 this thanksgiving.
Should I fix for $99 or get a new one on Black Friday? It's a fatty PS3.

[x3bowens]

Originally Posted by mrr1

Anybody who claims that Prometheus is the "best movie ever made" is suspect.

And as I stated before, there's a lot of discussion around this movie because they are digging around, trying to figure out the mess of a plot and piecing together loose ends. It's not like the commentary around the internet is full of deep and profound philosophical discussion on Prometheus. And there likely won't be, because Prometheus is not much more than a pseudo-philosophical monster flick (and there's nothing wrong with that - it is a good movie). But the questions Prometheus asks the audience aren't as thought-provoking and important as the ones asked in 2001 or Blade Runner. Prometheus is a pretty cool movie that people are talking about, because fans of Alien generally like it, and are trying very hard to find reasons to love it.

Nor does it have to be? Cant it lie anywhere in between Let's say Dumb and Dumber and 2001, but still be thought provoking? Prometheus, or any other movie for that matter, does not have to be the next standard by wich all other films are judged by or a multiple academy award winner to be enjoyed and thought provoking to their audiences.

I saw Prometheus in Imax 3d at the theatres and really enjoyed the film. My Girlfriend didn’t like it! We had discussions similar to these on this very board on the way home. I liked the thought provoking aspects as well as the unanswered questions. She wanted all the questions answered and nothing to think about. Thanks to this site and it’s discussions, some of the theories and plot holes make a lot more sense, others are still just unanswered questions provoking healthy debate and multiple views. All of which I enjoy reading for one reason or another. In the end we all take away want we want to believe to be the case, In theory no different than discussions of different religions. Weather you liked it or not, If I were the director and attempted a thought provoking film, all I have to do is look into this forum and say…. It Worked.

If this were intended to be a one and done film we could all probably agree that plenty of plot holes and unanswered questions exist and the film obviously left loose ends. If I were a writer/director, producer/studio, I certainly would have intentionally made strategic gaps, controversial viewpoints, plot holes, loose ends and unrealized theories to ensure future box office successes and creative freedoms on this journey. After all, why answer all the questions and leave nothing to the imagination, further realized or to gain other than dollars on another stand alone sequel.

I think the way Prometheus was presented it can follow in a few different directions. I believe Ridley did this for future creative freedoms and have his vision evolve rather than just arrive at a single destination. Maybe that’s why it may have started as a Prequel to Alien then suddenly no it’s not. Much like the mission, I think he may not even realize where he wanted it to end up.

I personally don’t need Prometheus to tie in with Alien/Aliens directly other than possibly explain why Alien existed. I don’t think it has to directly tie to the ship in Alien. I can live with…. It’s a different encounter at a different time. It would not disappoint me if it had an obvious tie in, but indeed everyone has different wants and directions for the film. I am sure those who liked and disliked Prometheus will all be anxiously awaiting the next segment so we can all say, I told you so!

Anyway I am excited to pop in Prometheus for a second watch at home and take in the Theater experience all over again. I Just wish they had filmed a trilogy much like LOTR and we were just waiting on for the next release at the box office! Now I’m off , to find paradise.

[srinivas1015]

Originally Posted by Fabiosugitani

Prometheus killed my PS3.
Good thing I have another player. He was going to be 4 this thanksgiving.
Should I fix for $99 or get a new one on Black Friday? It's a fatty PS3.

Sometimes, in order to create, one must first destroy.

[Show spoiler]

Seriously though, that really sucks. What happened exactly? Does it no longer turn on or something? If that's the case, how did you get the disc out?

[retablo]

Originally Posted by tkbryant

People should keep their expectations in check sometimes. I wasn't expecting the next coming of Christ. I was expecting a worthy addition to the "Alien" universe, something we haven't had since "Aliens". The movie expanded the mythology indirectly while opening up a whole new story to explore. That's what I was hoping for and that's more or less what I got.

That statement is why we have so many bad, lazy films. People, for some reason, are content these days as long as there's eye candy. Forget well-thought out plots and characterizations... I expect EVERZy film to deliver. Do they? Nope. But there's certainly a difference in a film that oesnt take itself seriously (Teansformers) vs one that tries SO HARD to be heavy handed and serious (Prometheus). You can't be all about substance then short-change audiences on substance itself.

[SirMontyPython]

Originally Posted by Fabiosugitani

Prometheus killed my PS3.
Good thing I have another player. He was going to be 4 this thanksgiving.
Should I fix for $99 or get a new one on Black Friday? It's a fatty PS3.

I'd get a slim during Black Friday if I were you....just sayin'!

Damn shame that PS3 died....may he rest in peace, in pieces....

[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by Fabiosugitani

Prometheus killed my PS3.
Good thing I have another player. He was going to be 4 this thanksgiving.
Should I fix for $99 or get a new one on Black Friday? It's a fatty PS3.

Ugh...hate hearing stuff like this.

My PS3 is one of the original 60gig launch systems so its just under 6 years old and I've yet to have any issues with it but man...can't help but feel its days are numbered.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Dave_6

Is that 'goo chart' anywhere on either of the Blu-ray discs or on the mobile app? I haven't found it yet if it is.

I'm accepting it as canon since it is on the Prometheus Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

Posts about it probably belong here: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=202258