Prometheus (2012)

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by KilloWertz

I can tell. Kind of like me with Underworld.

Or like me with...

[Show spoiler]

[double_l4488]

Originally Posted by tkbryant

Perhaps, the Engineers created man only to see us evolve and then deemed us not worthy of their attention".

This is my thoughts.

[tkbryant]

Finally finished with all the extras tonight after watching the movie again. Gotta say the audio on this disc is pretty intense in certain scenes. I was able to crank it up tonight and man did it sound great. Excellent dynamic range and some great pulsing LFE!!!

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by wormraper

ummm, Ridley himself originally even SAID it was a prequel before he decided to "change" it. the general public ALL thought it was a prequel. I'm sorry, but the film itself pretty much had a big placard across it saying "guess what I'm an Alien prequel!!!!!!!!!!", it was BLATANT. Ridley may have tried to change it FROM a prequel to it's own story, but he didn't change enough from his original script. something in the same universe is comparing Alien to Blade Runner. same universe, same general "rules", but storylines completely different. Pretty much they took EVERYTHING from Alien and created a story with those same characters. as I said before, it's very mediocre sci-fi... and it's not surprising, Ridley is VERY hit or miss. he can make some great stuff, but when he fails....he fails badly. He's done some great stuff with Blade Runner, Alien etc.. but then he's got total TRASH like "Robin Hood", "hannibal", "American Gangster" etc. prometheus doesn't sink as low as those mentioned films, but it's definitely one of his weaker tries. I mean, I REALLY tried to like it. I went and saw it a second time in the theater just to make sure I wasn't just disappointed due to the hype and I just saw it again last night with a friend to see how it fared after some down time of not viewing it. I wasn't AS disappointed but now it's become even more obvious to me after viewing it 3 times how generic and rehashed the whole movie feels. the directing was decent but the scrip had me banging my head against a wall the whole time.

The bolded part is all that matters from your statement. The rest is noise. Looks like it's not a prequel.

[deltasun]

Originally Posted by Britnasty

Just got done watching Prometheus for my 5th time this week and its simply one of my favorite films of the entire year. And then I turn on my cable and so happens Alien is playing on HBO Signature.

The continuity nods are so blatantly obvious even in the first half hour,

[Show spoiler]the ship, the facehugger, the xenomorph. I am sorry but I do not understand how people cannot think Prometheus is a prequel to Alien. Sure, there are some details missing between the two films but its a Prequel Series meant to connect to the franchise in the end, so I will call it a Prequel day in, day out.

People are merely grasping at straws, looking for ways to discredit the film for what it is. Sure, Prometheus has some plot holes that are waiting to be answered but as we all know with Ridley Scott and the Alien series, what is not answered is up to the viewer to figure out themselves if they want it to be answered.

Because a prequel, by definition, segues story-wise into the next movie (Alien). Prometheus doesn't do that. It is its own story that has a crossover storyline with Alien. It doesn't continue directly into it.

Now, Ridley can choose to circle back to the Alien storyline sometime in the next 2 sequels. Then, the one that connects it would be the prequel as well as these 2. At this point in time, this storyline is diverging from the Alien storyline.

[BJKH]

I just finished watching it for the first time about half an hour ago. I really enjoyed watching the film, and I can tell its going to be a movie that will grow on me and I will enjoy it more each time I watch it. I can't wait to watch the making of tomorrow!

[HonestJohn]

Finished watching this last night and was prepared not to like it at all after reading some of the comments here, but like it I did. Perhaps it helped that going into the film I had very low expectations from hearing over and over again "this is not a prequel" and stayed away from Trailers and Spoilers. So I was fully prepared for this film to have almost zero Alien tie-ins. I was pleasantly surprised to find them everywhere and found the origin story very entertaining and a great blind-buy. I'm taking it for another spin tonight and burning through Furious Gods at the moment.

How's the Blu? Outstanding except for the fact I had to purchase the 3D set to get all the Special Features. It ended up costing me $4.99 though so I can't complain too much.

[returnofthemack]

Originally Posted by deltasun

Because a prequel, by definition, segues story-wise into the next movie (Alien). Prometheus doesn't do that. It is its own story that has a crossover storyline with Alien. It doesn't continue directly into it.

Now, Ridley can choose to circle back to the Alien storyline sometime in the next 2 sequels. Then, the one that connects it would be the prequel as well as these 2. At this point in time, this storyline is diverging from the Alien storyline.

i really dont understand why so many people are struggling with the whole prequel thing. how many times does it need to be said and how many times does the film maker need to tell us exactly what this movie is? prometheus shares the same dna as alien. its really that simple. if scott decided to make a strait prequel it wouldnt have been as good as it turned out. prometheus started a whole divergent storyline that is just as interesting as alien without rehashing or covering the same ground alien. this movie is what most prequels wish they could be.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by deltasun

Because a prequel, by definition, segues story-wise into the next movie (Alien). Prometheus doesn't do that. It is its own story that has a crossover storyline with Alien. It doesn't continue directly into it.

Now, Ridley can choose to circle back to the Alien storyline sometime in the next 2 sequels. Then, the one that connects it would be the prequel as well as these 2. At this point in time, this storyline is diverging from the Alien storyline.

Which would be fine and would probably make me appreciate Prometheus even more, but I worry he's not going to do that as he seems to say he wants P2 to move even further away from alien

I believe the planet they were on was LV-422 so my guess would be P2 would again have subtle hints of alien maybe an egg now instead of a vase. and probably end with a crash on LV-426.

As I said early on isn't near the trash I thought it would be, and it is worth owning imop, but I want more ALIENS (even if they kept the hints and nods the same as Prometheus, for P2 that would be cool with me ).

[returnofthemack]

Originally Posted by mrr1

Blade Runner does a much better job of using the story to make the audience think about the questions that everyone wants to know - is our limited life span enough (how long is "enough"), the intrinsic value of being a human being versus another life form, and overall roles in life. The questions are left open-ended, as these are tough questions. And stylistically, the sci-fi cyberpunk Los Angeles in Blade Runner was really groundbreaking.

Prometheus mostly asks questions about the motives of the aliens in the movie who created life on Earth and why the aliens in the movie wanted to destroy/change it. That's a pretty cool idea, but not very deep. Plus, stylistically, it looks a lot like the other sci-fi movies out there without standing out on its own terms.

That's why I believe there isn't anything really unique unique enough in Prometheus that would make it revered in the same way Blade Runner or 2001 is revered. I still think Prometheus is pretty good for what it is, though.

for real? yes blade runner plays with the idea of limited llifespans.

"how long is enough?" as you say. did you watch prometheus? the whole reason the crew goes to lv223 or whatever the planet is called is because of weylands desire to live forever. sure he brings a crew along as cover but the real mission is for weyland to try and convice the engineers to give him more life. did you miss that whole part because it was pretty important.

to say that prometheus is about why aliens created us and why they want to destory is as insulting as saying blade runner is only about a man hunting a robot because its his job to do so.

the questions in prometheus are just as open ended as blade runner. are we just some kind of galatic experiment? did mankind have some kind of fall from grace and if so what did we do to make "god" turn his back on us? if we were made in "gods" image then do we have the power to create life. is it mans destiny to become gods and if not what went wrong? ultimately the question prometheus asks is what is god and why are we here? yeah not deep at all and the audience and humans in general have no interest in those subjects

[jblank]

Originally Posted by dp1890

I think people who hold very high standards for films and sci-fi in general will hate Prometheus. They were expecting the next 2001 or Bladerunner, and instead got a flawed but average sci-fi flick that's criticized very harshly. I kind of blame the marketing which was relentless for this film, not to mention that a lot of details were revealed in the trailer which may have killed the suspense of certain scenes. Judging from retablo's collection of criterions, I'm not too surprised from the criticism of storytelling, since people tend to raise their standards as they watch more quality films.

Couldn't disagree more. It's the best film I saw in 2012 and scifi is my favorite genre. I think the filmis a masterpiece and is probably in my personal all time top 10.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by returnofthemack

is it mans destiny to become gods and if not what went wrong? ultimately the question prometheus asks is what is god and why are we here? yeah not deep at all and the audience and humans in general have no interest in those subjects

Exactly! I want to see why aliens are so bad ass, and what makes them want to eat us Forget all that other junk. Having Ridley Scott or any other director try tell us what all that means, is as unreal as acid blood aliens that love to eat people

Just stick to the cool stuff

[Danchez]

I'm not about to wade into any of the debates going on in this thread, but I will say that I just watched this movie and absolutely loved it.

Aside from being gobsmackingly beautiful, the recurring theme of creator vs. creation really worked for me.

I also felt that the scene between Vickers and Weyland did a good job of fleshing out her character while adding another perspective to the various forms of friction between "father" and "offspring."

It made me think and it made me feel. Can't ask for much more than that from a film, regardless of genre.

[Brahby]

A couple of things I havent seen discussed yet that still puzzle me.

1) The storm starting at the same time the murals start changing

2) The engineer being part Xenomorph at the end. Now before everyone starts flaming me and saying its "armor" I may agree that SOME of it is, but I have looked very closely at pictures online and there is certain part that are obviously not "armor" it is actually his body. Pay close attention to the neck

Also some new observations that I do not recall seeing here:

There are different sized erns in the "tomb"

The pile of dead engineers all had something that resembled an "explosion" from their chest. I think even one scientist notes it exploded outward.

[fgomike]

Had the right firmware, so I just reset the whole system. Seems to have worked. Glad I purchased the 3D set even though I don't have a 3D system. The bonus disc is worth the extra dinero.

[sputter]

I can see a lot of Blade Runner themes in this film. It has a wider scope/feel to it though.

[returnofthemack]

Originally Posted by Brahby

A couple of things I havent seen discussed yet that still puzzle me.

1) The storm starting at the same time the murals start changing

2) The engineer being part Xenomorph at the end. Now before everyone starts flaming me and saying its "armor" I may agree that SOME of it is, but I have looked very closely at pictures online and there is certain part that are obviously not "armor" it is actually his body. Pay close attention to the neck

Also some new observations that I do not recall seeing here:

There are different sized erns in the "tomb"

The pile of dead engineers all had something that resembled an "explosion" from their chest. I think even one scientist notes it exploded outward.

i think the storm coming in when the mural changes is just coincidence. the mural changed bc the atmosphere in that room changed after being breached after nearly 2000 years..

maybe your right and a huge part of the movie was right in front of our faces all along. others have pointed out that the suit/armor that the engineers was intergrated into their flesh. some have tossed the idea of bio-suit or armor. the design of it is very xeno. other people before me have pointed out the differance between the self-sacrificing life giving almost nude very natural looking engineer at the beginning of the film and the drastic differances between him and the engineers on lv223.

could we be looking at two differant factions of engineers? one "good" and one "evil". creaters and destroyers. just look at the myth of prometheus. a god steals fire from and gives it to humans. the "good" engineer or engineers (maybe we were looking at the alien that inspired the prometheus mtyh at the beginning of the film) are responsible. as a punishment the other gods, the "evil" engineers tie him up to have his liver eaten day after day. or an explosion from the chest/ abdomin.

as for the differant size urns i have no idea

[greg_achen]

To those who say the film wouldn't have benefited from an extended cut, including Ridley Scott himself, I MUST disagree. As a fan of the theatrical cut and someone who owns the 4-disc Collector's Edition, I had the opportunity to watch a special edit called the Weyland Investor's Cut that added back in the deleted and alternate scenes. In my opinion, the deleted and alternate scenes added a lot to the film and gave me a hell of a lot more enjoyable ride than the theatrical version. Story-wise, pacing-wise, character-wise, the whole film benefited from the extra scenes. I also MUCH prefer the alternate CGI Fifield attack and the extended fight scene between Shaw and the Engineer was SO much better executed and suspenseful than the abridged theatrical version.

The theatrical cut might be Ridley's Director's Cut, but my preferred version is this unofficial extended cut. Should Fox ever do an official extended cut, I will buy it in a second. THIS is the film that audiences should have received in theaters and I can't help but feel it would have been a little less critically panned by some had it.

[Brahby]

Originally Posted by returnofthemack

i think the storm coming in when the mural changes is just coincidence. the mural changed bc the atmosphere in that room changed after being breached after nearly 2000 years..

maybe your right and a huge part of the movie was right in front of our faces all along. others have pointed out that the suit/armor that the engineers was intergrated into their flesh. some have tossed the idea of bio-suit or armor. the design of it is very xeno. other people before me have pointed out the differance between the self-sacrificing life giving almost nude very natural looking engineer at the beginning of the film and the drastic differances between him and the engineers on lv223.

could we be looking at two differant factions of engineers? one "good" and one "evil". creaters and destroyers. just look at the myth of prometheus. a god steals fire from and gives it to humans. the "good" engineer or engineers (maybe we were looking at the alien that inspired the prometheus mtyh at the beginning of the film) are responsible. as a punishment the other gods, the "evil" engineers tie him up to have his liver eaten day after day. or an explosion from the chest/ abdomin.

as for the differant size urns i have no idea

I like this good vs evil theory, maybe more of a slaves vs master wherein what we see at the beginning might be a non approved mission by a slave or common engineer and what we see later is the eradication of the mistake that a lone engineer took on earlier by a master or impoerial group of engineers (which would also explain why the scene was removed showing more than one engineer). This would kind of fit into your Prometheus mythology theory. I think its safe to say this movie tackles the "creation of life" in multiple parts...the engineer at the beginning, holloways statement of a splash of DNA, davids experimentation with the ooze, Weilands trying to push it past the natural boundries. If we look at that lone engineer in the beginning as someone experimenting with creating life like we can argue David was by poisoning Holloway (since he couldnt poison himself) then maybe this theory isnt bad at all. One engineer experiments with creating life without approval, we get out of line, the rest of the engineers are sent to clean up after his "mess".

[Kirk Out]

Originally Posted by Brahby

I like this good vs evil theory, maybe more of a slaves vs master wherein what we see at the beginning might be a non approved mission by a slave or common engineer and what we see later is the eradication of the mistake that a lone engineer took on earlier by a master or impoerial group of engineers (which would also explain why the scene was removed showing more than one engineer). This would kind of fit into your Prometheus mythology theory. I think its safe to say this movie tackles the "creation of life" in multiple parts...the engineer at the beginning, holloways statement of a splash of DNA, davids experimentation with the ooze, Weilands trying to push it past the natural boundries. If we look at that lone engineer in the beginning as someone experimenting with creating life like we can argue David was by poisoning Holloway (since he couldnt poison himself) then maybe this theory isnt bad at all. One engineer experiments with creating life without approval, we get out of line, the rest of the engineers are sent to clean up after his "mess".

agreed