Prometheus (2012)

[sputter]

Originally Posted by DRS

The way this discussion is going, you'd think Prometheus was a better movie than Avatar.

But its not...in any shape, way or form.

You'd be correct if you prefer fluffy films over substance.

[jala12]

Avatar is technically the better movie than Prometheus since it's more coherently made rather than feeling like it's been stitched together. Though it's also an unfair comparison since Avatar uses a cookie cutter story riddled with Hollywood cliches while Prometheus at least attempts to try something new.

[42041]

Prometheus isn't style over substance? Please...
Guess Avatar needed more piddling philosophical posturing to earn its internet cred, but for me it's ten times the film Prometheus is.

[videohead]

Originally Posted by LobsterPot

Oh please.. every aspect of Prometheus is superior

Ridley Scott science fiction

Noomi Rapace

Golden age spacesuit bubble helmets

Gigermonsters

Practical sets

Puppetwork and prosthetics instead of full cartoon monsters

any one of those six things alone would make it an amazing film
but it's a compilation of awesome

+1

[Monkey]

I thought it was pretty clear in the movie the Engineer was pissed because Guy Pierce was ungrateful of what the Engineers gave them and wanted to live forever.

[mrr1]

Originally Posted by jala12

Avatar is technically the better movie than Prometheus since it's more coherently made rather than feeling like it's been stitched together. Though it's also an unfair comparison since Avatar uses a cookie cutter story riddled with Hollywood cliches while Prometheus at least attempts to try something new.

That's fair. Nobody criticizes Prometheus for trying to be something different. In fact, I think they did an admirable job on that front.

[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by 42041

Prometheus isn't style over substance? Please...
Guess Avatar needed more piddling philosophical posturing to earn its internet cred, but for me it's ten times the film Prometheus is.

Well...it wouldve been nice to have SOMETHING else to say about the movie other than its spectacular visuals. OH I found something......it SOUNDS good too.

[videohead]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

Yea. Part of me thought, at one point anyway, that one (of maybe several) reasons the engineer got so upset was what IF those cave paintings were indeed invitations. Here we go to find them and when we finally do, instead of being humble in front of our creator/s we instead EXPECT something from him like he owes us a favor...and it probably doesnt help that David the android was there, possibly showing the engineer that WE ourselves were trying to be creators of life only in a far more artificial way...and the engineer may have looked at David as an abomination. Perhaps he looked at David and thought "these humans have created an artificial lifeform stronger and smarter than themselves (given David was the only one capable of communicating with the engineer), they are clearly unfit to survive as they will inevitably destroy themselves with such things"

notice on the cave paintings on the wall. Some of the humans are "worshiping the engineers, but it seems that there are ANIMALS crowded around around too, maybe intrigued also? No one ever mentioned the animals before.

I don't think that the cave paintings are an invitation, I think the early humans were trying to leave a record of a visitation from the engineers. Just like books and other record keeping that we do today. I think that humans are so curious and desperate to know more, to know why, so with some rationalization and justification, we humans can get what meaning we want-because nobody is there to contradict or stop us. So shaw, holloway, weyland, all wanted to believe it was in invitation so it was...get it?

this movie

[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by videohead

notice on the cave paintings on the wall. Some of the humans are "worshiping the engineers, but it seems that there are ANIMALS crowded around around too, maybe intrigued also? No one ever mentioned the animals before.

I don't think that the cave paintings are an invitation, I think the early humans were trying to leave a record of a visitation from the engineers. Just like books and other record keeping that we do today. I think that humans are so curious and desperate to know more, to know why, so with some rationalization and justification, we humans can get what meaning we want-because nobody is there to contradict or stop us. So shaw, holloway, weyland, all wanted to believe it was in invitation so it was...get it?

this movie

True. What puzzles me is the system of planets in the cave painting. That perhaps the engineers left this tidbit of information with us, maybe not as an "invitation" but they informed us some how of the whereabouts but even more puzzling is that these lead to what Janek referred to as a "weapons facility" and NOT their homeworld. Just can't imagine that EVERY civilization that came across these system of planets found it themselves just by looking at the stars. I would think the engineers left that bit of info with us...for some reason or another.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by deltasun

This was brought up a few times before already.

Also, to be clear - the severed head was from 2000 years prior. We can't say for certain that the cryo Engineer was from 2000 years prior as well. Of course, more questions - why was he in cryo? If he was supposed to blow up Earth 2000 years prior, why didn't he? Did someone force him into the cryo chamber?

What is interesting about him that nobody seems to point out is that of the 4 cryo sleep pods, his was the only one that did not have a hole in the middle of it! The three other ones there DID!

So we all know what that means.

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[trombone dixie]

Watched this on blu-ray just now and here's my take after (alternate scenes, etc)...

Ridley Scott could've easily made this into an Alien movie and it was supposed to be just that originally. The deleted scenes are evidence of that. From

[Show spoiler]them finding shed skin, the alternate bedroom scene talking about infection while watching the hologram replays, the scene of the captain talking about the infection, etc

. He left stuff out and changed a lot as well. I'm glad he didn't go the direction of another Alien movie. The ambiguity leaves so much to the imagination.

"Sometimes in order to create, you have to destroy." - David

What I think David is saying here is that in order for the Engineers to create the Xenomorph, they have to destroy the human race. I think David picked up on this when he found that Shaw was impregnated after intercourse with the infected Holloway. The engineers held the Xenomorph in high esteem because they had mural of one in the "tomb" chamber. Then in the extended scene

[Show spoiler]Shaw talks about them changing their mind on wanting to destroy us and her wanting to find out why.

I feel like that is because the Engineers realized even they couldn't control the Xenomorph.

[Bill Clay]

Since the Engineers were drawn in all the cave paintings, it means that they've been back to Earth to check on it since the one in the begining sacrificed himself to create life on the planet. Why all the interest in this one planet when they have at least two moons there to grow life on?

The goo seems to be used by them as an evolutionary tool, rather than a weapon. If they've been around for so long, and can harness life, why would they need to use it as a weapon? They're kind of afraid of it. Working with it on a barren world, instead of populated one, and not afraid to leave others behind because of it. If they wanted to wipe out a world, they'd just use something like ebola, that strikes quick, could kill a planet in months if spread, and then just dies off itself. If they used the goo as a weapon on Earth, they'd come back years later to find monsters they couldn't handle. Better to just nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

And really, why do they always bring just one android? They're always much more useful than the humans!

[HD Goofnut]

Just took some screen caps for my review:

[addicted2BR]

well,,it still wont play on my `mini` set up for my pc even though i can play other releases of last week with no issue,but i am glad to say all disks played just fine on my friends tv/blue ray player with no problems. althought i always disable bd-live,,so basicly its cause of my LG player on my pc that is no longer supported but i wont buy a new one either way,,
for a while from reading the posts i was afraid i had one of the flaw ones.
Duderino

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Just took some screen caps for my review:

Thank you very very much Goofnut.

More to add to my collection.

I have been specially wanting a pic of the Prometheus with it's summery like the Nostromo had in A L I E N.

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[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Bill Clay

And really, why do they always bring just one android? They're always much more useful than the humans!

BTW. Having a known android aboard their ship slightly disappoints me. When Ash is revealed in ALIEN ("Ash is a GD ROBOT!!!") I loved that maybe they were unaware that lifelike bots existed at that point and time, and THAT was the real shock in it. It was not just that the company had put a spy/plant aboard, but also they had never known a lifelike bot existed yet.

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[Bill Clay]

Great choices with the screencaps Goofnut. I'd love to see one of Kirk Douglas on a jetski from the special features. Can't remember exactly where it was, but they were talking about what Weyland's dream was supposed to look like while he was in cryosleep, and the artwork they showed used a painting of a young Kirk Douglas instead of Guy Pearce. Guess he wasn't cast yet.

[movie]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Just took some screen caps for my review

Thanks Goofnut! Overall, sort of an ugly looking green as the theme of the movie I would say. A little depressing if you ask me, but I haven't watched it yet.

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by movie

Thanks Goofnut! Overall, sort of an ugly looking green as the theme of the movie I would say. A little depressing if you ask me, but I haven't watched it yet.

Very Alien-esque green and blue color tones. I liked it.

[movie]

Originally Posted by RJ Smoove

Very Alien-esque green and blue color tones. I liked it.

Love to see how it's going to look on my plasma.