Prometheus (2012)

[jblank]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

Things like the biologist (Milburn) approaching an alien organism he knows nothing about as if it were a sweet little kitten he found. It IS a bit silly...but I'm over it.

It has already been explained that Milburn and Fifield, due to exposure to the vapor of the "goo", have their judgment impaired and are clearly a bit disoriented and affected by it. This is confirmed by the sheet that has been posted many times in here, that show the side effects of exposure.

[R0CK0X]

Originally Posted by srinivas1015

how would you guys have felt about the movie had the trailers shown more or less nothing?

I certainly would've enjoyed it more. At the beginning of every major scene I thought "oh right, that's going to happen because I already saw the trailer." It took most of the mystery away because I felt like I already pretty much knew what was going to happen. I blame my viewing the trailer as a big reason why I didn't like the movie the first time I saw it. But the trailer was awesome enough to get my ass in a seat opening weekend, and that's the only thing marketing cares about.

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

I remember seeing previews spoiling

[Show spoiler]the big alien attacking the engineer

Jeepers, I never saw that one. I saw the shot of

[Show spoiler]a tentacle hitting the glass with Shaw looking on the other side, but never a full shot of the alien. Even then, after the ship crashed, I remember watching the movie thinking "oh right, she goes back inside, sees that thing on the other side of the door and then the engineer comes after her."

Totally took the balls outta the flick.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

OK, is this and the ending in Prometheus not a HUGE plot hole?

We have seen from ALL the other ALIEN movies that the company will go to no end to get their hands on these alien samples. So how come they NEVER went back?

Instead they kept trying the Ripley route with constant failure.

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We don't know if they went back to LV-426. I'll bet we will know when the Paradise movie is released.

How did Weyland Corp. acquire the partially translated page of the Engineer's Manual? They either went to LV-426 and found it, or David sent it back to HQ via some means of communication accessible to him in the lifeboat or on the Engineer ship. This implies David found a way to communicate with Weyland HQ and that he may not be 'free' after Peter Weyland's demise. If this is the case, it will complicate Shaw's mission to find the answers she seeks on Paradise.

Remember, the Prometheus mission and followup to the mission is highly classified and has been from the beginning. I believe Scott & Co. are going to try to maintain Alien as canon. Also remember that it was revealed in the Ridleygrams on the BD that the signal from LV-223 was detected, but Weyland choose to leave that investigation for a later date. That Ridleygram may have been nothing more than a de Lauzirika "gotcha", but still.... This implies that the Nostromo redirect in Alien had been planned since they received the contact info from the Prometheus mission.

Originally Posted by mrr1

I did. A couple of times.

So I reiterate - Why was he the only one left? Was it luck that he didn't get infected? Did he infect the others?

The whole story surrounding the engineers isn't totally clear on what exactly happened.

You're getting there. Obviously, all the questions aren't meant to be answered. Duffy had a post awhile back, where he was trying to take advantage of a teachable moment. He pointed out with a screencap that 3 of the stasis chambers were damaged. It is up to you to surmise whether that damage was caused by the last live Engineer found by David and speculate on why he would have done that, or was the damage caused by the infection of the three engineers that met their end in their stasis chambers.

Is is fascinating, isn't it?

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

Yeah. Whats even worse as that the closer the movie got to release the MORE they kept showing of it

I remember seeing previews spoiling the big alien attacking the engineer (when shaw opens the door) and the Fifield helmet melting scene, the alien c-section bit was shown too much, and yes...they showed WAY too much of the Juggernaut...hell they even showing the Prometheus crashing into it WHAT were they thinking spoiling all of that?

Exactly. Then I made it to theater wanting more and frankly I had pretty much watched 90% of the major plot points in the trailer Oh my, they didn't show the Deacon.. that was pretty much the only thing that didn't make it into trailers.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by jblank

We'll just agree to disagree. While I like and own Avatar, it can't hold Prometheus' jock....in anything.

Fair enough.

Lets see what the Prometheus sequel does.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by mrr1

'Paradise' is a good title, but '2 Pro 2 Metheus' has a bit more pizazz, don't ya think?

No.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by jblank

It has already been explained that Milburn and Fifield, due to exposure to the vapor of the "goo", have their judgment impaired and are clearly a bit disoriented and affected by it. This is confirmed by the sheet that has been posted many times in here, that show the side effects of exposure.

It explains why it mutated Fifield instead of disintegrating him like Holloway. Hollaway ingested it which causes cellular degeneration. Inhalation causes DNA recoding.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

Yeah. Whats even worse as that the closer the movie got to release the MORE they kept showing of it

I remember seeing previews spoiling the big alien attacking the engineer (when shaw opens the door) and the Fifield helmet melting scene, the alien c-section bit was shown too much, and yes...they showed WAY too much of the Juggernaut...hell they even showing the Prometheus crashing into it WHAT were they thinking spoiling all of that?

Makes you wonder what Alien would have been like if viral marketing/Facebook/Twitter had been around then.

[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by jblank

It has already been explained that Milburn and Fifield, due to exposure to the vapor of the "goo", have their judgment impaired and are clearly a bit disoriented and affected by it. This is confirmed by the sheet that has been posted many times in here, that show the side effects of exposure.

Yea, I remember seeing that chart you mentioned.

Curious, and I'm not trying to discredit the chart er anything but was it available at the time of the movies release or did it come out a while after?

Just curious, because it got me thinking "I wonder if they whipped that chart up as some sort of excuse to explain that scene because of all the backlash it was getting...hmmm"

To be honest, the deleted scene (Our First Alien) where they found the MUCH smaller version of the worm, IMO, wouldve made the later scene make a little more sense. Only because the little one seemed very peaceful and non-threatening so for him to fine a bigger one later...maybe he figured it would be similar. Unfortunately the dialogue was terribly forced in that scene, had they re-shot it I think they couldve made this entre situation work.

[groove93]

Originally Posted by jblank

It has already been explained that Milburn and Fifield, due to exposure to the vapor of the "goo", have their judgment impaired and are clearly a bit disoriented and affected by it. This is confirmed by the sheet that has been posted many times in here, that show the side effects of exposure.

Didn't David debunk this when Shaw was concerned about the crew removing their helmets, including Weyland, just before they enter the Juggernaut? He looked at her and said that it doesn't, the camera turns back to Shaw with a look of shock on her face, presuming that David was the cause of Holloway's death.

David :"You can take your helmet off if you like, sir."

Weyland : "Why?"

David : "The air, is perfectly breathable."

Weyland: "Are you sure?"

David: "Positive"

Shaw: "Wait, we still don't know how Holloway got infected, if it's in the air."

David: "It's not."

Shaw: "How do you know that?"

Just after she asks this question, David gives her a look of assurance, but Shaw has a look of doubt.


If it is in fact in the air, then there's enough time to pass during first contact for Shaw to have some type of infection, considering the fact that she lasts the entire film.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

Yea, I remember seeing that chart you mentioned.

Curious, and I'm not trying to discredit the chart er anything but was it available at the time of the movies release or did it come out a while after?

Just curious, because it got me thinking "I wonder if they whipped that chart up as some sort of excuse to explain that scene because of all the backlash it was getting...hmmm"

To be honest, the deleted scene (Our First Alien) where they found the MUCH smaller version of the worm, IMO, wouldve made the later scene make a little more sense. Only because the little one seemed very peaceful and non-threatening so for him to fine a bigger one later...maybe he figured it would be similar. Unfortunately the dialogue was terribly forced in that scene, had they re-shot it I think they couldve made this entre situation work.

I agree - a few small changes to a scene can make it much better. As it stands, that scene is one of the worst in the film. That deleted scene would have really helped too. It would have established at least a little trust(for lack of a batter term) between those guys and the alien. Good call.

[R0CK0X]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Makes you wonder what Alien would have been like if viral marketing/Facebook/Twitter had been around then.

The trailer would probably have been a lot like this, except with more dialogue and everything in chronological order:

Alien trailer - YouTube

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Originally Posted by groove93

Didn't David debunk this when Shaw was concerned about the crew removing their helmets, including Weyland, just before they enter the Juggernaut? He looked at her and said that it doesn't, the camera turns back to Shaw with a look of shock on her face, presuming that David was the cause of Holloway's death.

David :"You can take your helmet off if you like, sir."

Weyland : "Why?"

David : "The air, is perfectly breathable."

Weyland: "Are you sure?"

David: "Positive"

Shaw: "Wait, we still don't know how Holloway got infected, if it's in the air."

David: "It's not."

Shaw: "How do you know that?"

Just after she asks this question, David gives her a look of assurance, but Shaw has a look of doubt.


If it is in fact in the air, then there's enough time to pass during first contact for Shaw to have some type of infection, considering the fact that she lasts the entire film.

That doesn't debunk it. At first, they didn't know this is air transportable and it's true, the air WAS breathable, but Fifield and Milburn were in there A LOT more than the others so that's why it affected them and not the rest of the crew.

[jblank]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

Yea, I remember seeing that chart you mentioned.

Curious, and I'm not trying to discredit the chart er anything but was it available at the time of the movies release or did it come out a while after?

Just curious, because it got me thinking "I wonder if they whipped that chart up as some sort of excuse to explain that scene because of all the backlash it was getting...hmmm"

I have a hard time believing they would manufacture something to put down "backlash" because frankly, there really hasn't been much backlash.

Not sure when it was created.

[groove93]

Originally Posted by jblank

That doesn't debunk it. At first, they didn't know this is air transportable and it's true, the air WAS breathable, but Fifield and Milburn were in there A LOT more than the others so that's why it affected them and not the rest of the crew.

Other than an illustration about Black Goo, where in the story line of the film do they even discuss this?

Don't you think Shaw and Ford would have been exposed when they were examining the decapitated head of the Engineer. Wasn't this Engineer infected, to the point where it began to bleed and give off some type of odor?

What about the crew of the ship that went back to look for Fifield and Milburn. Their suits would have been exposed because all of the Ampules released a good portion of the black goo. Some of the crew were down on the ground examining Milburn's dead body before the Hammerpede catapulted from his mouth.

IDK, I'm just not buying it.

[R0CK0X]

Originally Posted by jblank

It has already been explained that Milburn and Fifield, due to exposure to the vapor of the "goo", have their judgment impaired and are clearly a bit disoriented and affected by it. This is confirmed by the sheet that has been posted many times in here, that show the side effects of exposure.

I just watched the scene again. If Milburn and Fifield have their judgment impaired due to exposure to the black goo (and that was indeed the writers' intent), there doesn't seem to be an indication of it in the movie. Sure the chart explains it, but I sorta think the chart is a poor excuse for good storytelling and filmmaking.

[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by jblank

I have a hard time believing they would manufacture something to put down "backlash" because frankly, there really hasn't been much backlash.

Not sure when it was created.

While the film received more positive than negative reviews if there is ONE thing that seemed to be brought up in the majority of the reviews, it was the characters and some of the questionable/silly decisions they made.

The Milburn scene is one that was brought up on numerous occasions and if it wasnt brought up directly I can't help but think that its one of the situations the "questionable/silly decisions" is referring to.

I remember watching a video review for Prometheus, think it was at IGN maybe? But the reviewer, for the most part was positive towards the film, but he mentioned the Milburn scene and said something to the effect of "coooommme oooonnn...the guy actually tried to pet the thing and gets killed in the process" and one of the only other negative things he mentioned was the scene at the end (the Deacon)...he referred to it as "fanboy service" lol.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

Yeah...but they didn't have flamethrowers or even cattle prods. Even if he was going in there to trap it, I personally, wouldve preferred SOMEONE be there with me to watch my back or at least give me some sense of comfort that I'm not alone OR at least be there to try and help me should I be attacked.

There were not enough of them available for that option. The remainder of the crew had to guard the duct exits in case the alien came out one of the wrong ones, so then they could stear it towards the air lock and blow it out into space.

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[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by jblank

I have a hard time believing they would manufacture something to put down "backlash" because frankly, there really hasn't been much backlash.

Not sure when it was created.

Never underestimate the power of Hollywood trying to protect its moneymaking property!

[jblank]

Originally Posted by groove93

Other than an illustration about Black Goo, where in the story line of the film do they even discuss this?

Don't you think Shaw and Ford would have been exposed when they were examining the decapitated head of the Engineer. Wasn't this Engineer infected, to the point where it began to bleed and give off some type of odor?

What about the crew of the ship that went back to look for Fifield and Milburn. Their suits would have been exposed because all of the Ampules released a good portion of the black goo. Some of the crew were down on the ground examining Milburn's dead body before the Hammerpede catapulted from his mouth.

IDK, I'm just not buying it.

So don't then, I'm just explaining the rational for them acting the way they did toward the Hammerpede. Their levels of exposure would have been much higher than Shaw's or anyone elses.

I think you guys are being ridiculously nitpicky about this though, but whatever.