Prometheus (2012)

[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

There were not enough of them available for that option. The remainder of the crew had to guard the duct exits in case the alien came out one of the wrong ones, so then they could stear it towards the air lock and blow it out into space.

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I still don't buy that excuse though. Since when is "splitting up" or "going alone" ever a good idea?

[jblank]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

While the film received more positive than negative reviews if there is ONE thing that seemed to be brought up in the majority of the reviews, it was the characters and some of the questionable/silly decisions they made.

The Milburn scene is one that was brought up on numerous occasions and if it wasnt brought up directly I can't help but think that its one of the situations the "questionable/silly decisions" is referring to.

I remember watching a video review for Prometheus, think it was at IGN maybe? But the reviewer, for the most part was positive towards the film, but he mentioned the Milburn scene and said something to the effect of "coooommme oooonnn...the guy actually tried to pet the thing and gets killed in the process" and one of the only other negative things he mentioned was the scene at the end (the Deacon)...he referred to it as "fanboy service" lol.

If we're using Prometheus as an example of "bad character decisions" then almost every movie made must bother you. Lets pretend for an instant that Milburns curiosity just got the better of him, is that a better way of looking at it? Again, this is all so nitpicky, and I'm not attacking you or anything, but why is this the sticking point for so many people? This is basically a misplaced hair on a supermodel, one tiny little scene that maybe could have been better explained, but in the grand scheme of things is extremely easy to just accept and move on with....for me at least.

I buy the explanation that their judgment was being impaired and it fits with Milburns actions.

[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by jblank

So don't then, I'm just explaining the rational for them acting the way they did toward the Hammerpede.

I think you guys are being ridiculously nitpicky about this though, but whatever.

Its all good man. I REALLY like the movie but I understand it has its faults. I'm not trashing the movie, just discussing it.

[groove93]

Originally Posted by jblank

So don't then, I'm just explaining the rational for them acting the way they did toward the Hammerpede.

I think you guys are being ridiculously nitpicky about this though, but whatever.

No, this is not nitpicking because your theory doesn't work with regards to the rest of the crew who were in fact, exposed.

As stated earlier, the scene would have made more sense if the Deleted scene of the first alien was left in.

I brought this up last week I about Milburn's craft and what he does. He's no different than any zoologist or entomologist studying dangerous creatures, such as snakes, sharks, bears, scorpions, etc etc.

I believe he was just doing his job, and has a more "Risk Taking" characteristic than others. We definitely saw the real Fifield. Many of us saw his outer shell, the spiked hair, the beard, the tattoos on his head, but in the end, he was Lambert, scared to death when confronted by Dead Aliens.

Don't get upset, just make your case.

[jblank]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

Never underestimate the power of Hollywood trying to protect its moneymaking property!

Well brother it's already made 400 million at the box office, what point is there in creating some CYA document and releasing it on Facebook? My goodness, are we gonna tail off into conspiracy land now.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by R0CK0X

I always assumed Ripley wasn't too keen on taking the alien head-on, even with a flamethrower in hand. So she figured if she stopped the self-destruct, it would buy her a bit more time to somehow figure out a way to get to the shuttle and avoid the alien altogether. Maybe if the alien was still in the way of getting to the shuttle after Ripley unsuccessfully tried to stop the self-destruct, she would've blasted it with the flamethrower as a last resort.

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Wrong.

You guys are forgetting the part where the crew discovers that it has acid for blood, so they were driving it into the airlock with fire. If she zapped it with the flammer inside the ship, then it would be breached due to the resultant acid bleeding.

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[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by jblank

If we're using Prometheus as an example of "bad character decisions" then almost every movie made must bother you. Lets pretend for an instant that Milburns curiosity just got the better of him, is that a better way of looking at it? Again, this is all so nitpicky, and I'm not attacking you or anything, but why is this the sticking point for so many people? This is basically a misplaced hair on a supermodel, one tiny little scene that maybe could have been better explained, but in the grand scheme of things is extremely easy to just accept and move on with....for me at least.

I buy the explanation that their judgment was being impaired and it fits with Milburns actions.

And do you think that would stop me from bangi......you get the idea. Its all good dude, I'm not trying to offend anyone or say "youre WRONG!". I'm just curious if that chart was made after the films release.

Like I said...Prometheus is NOT a perfect film and neither is Alien in alot of respects. I understand this but it doesnt impair my enjoyment of the films. Is it "nitpicky"?...very well may be, but am I passing it off like I'm trashing the film...I don't think so

And lets face it. Every film has its problems but the size of "said problems" is a completely different story. I enjoy MANY films thank you very much

[jblank]

Originally Posted by groove93

No, this is not nitpicking because your theory doesn't work with regards to the rest of the crew who were in fact, exposed.

As stated earlier, the scene would have made more sense if the Deleted scene of the first alien was left in.

I brought this up last week I about Milburn's craft and what he does. He's no different than any zoologist or entomologist studying dangerous creatures, such as snakes, sharks, bears, scorpions, etc etc.

I believe he was just doing his job, and has a more "Risk Taking" characteristic than others. We definitely saw the real Fifield. Many of us saw his outer shell, the spiked hair, the beard, the tattoos on his head, but in the end, he was Lambert, scared to death when confronted by Dead Aliens.

Don't get upset, just make your case.

Exposed to a MUCH less extent than the others and the "case" has already been made and confirmed from the "document" that details its effects. The question now is why you can't just accept it, or not accept it, and move on from it. I can understand maybe a bit of questioning his rational, but whether he was just very curious, or starting to become impaired, the end result would be the same.

[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by jblank

Well brother it's already made 400 million at the box office, what point is there in creating some CYA document and releasing it on Facebook? My goodness, are we gonna tail off into conspiracy land now.

A company protecting what makes them money is DEFINITELY not a conspiracy...thats bidness man...bidness.

[jblank]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

A company protecting what makes them money is DEFINITELY not a conspiracy...thats bidness man...bidness.

Yeah, but this doesn't "protect" anything. It would be like handing a bullet proof vest to a deceased gunshot victim at this point. It's already made its money back (in spades) and is selling well on Blu, so they don't really have any obligation to cover their asses on any perceived "flaw" with the goo.

[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Wrong.

You guys are forgetting the part where the crew discovers that it has acid for blood, so they were driving it into the airlock with fire. If she zapped it with the flammer inside the ship, then it would be breached due to the resultant acid bleeding.

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With a ship about to self destruct...I'd take my chances toasting it then running to the ship before the acid breached anything. At least in THAT particular situation. Who knows, the fire might just burn it to a crisp...killing it but not spilling any blood. Who knows, now THAT is getting a bit nit-picky I admit lol.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

With a ship about to self destruct...I'd take my chances toasting it then running to the ship before the acid breached anything. At least in THAT particular situation. Who knows, the fire might just burn it to a crisp...killing it but not spilling any blood. Who knows, now THAT is getting a bit nit-picky I admit lol.

Good point though.

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[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by jblank

Yeah, but this doesn't "protect" anything. It would be like handing a bullet proof vest to a deceased gunshot victim at this point. It's already made its money back (in spades) and is selling well on Blu, so they don't really have any obligation to cover their asses on any perceived "flaw" with the goo.

Well. In some ways yes and in some ways no. Remember, the movie has made a decent amount of money but hell...look at IMDB and some of the people here that trash all over this movie. Will THEY go see the sequel?...maybe, who knows...but it wouldnt surprise me to see Fox cover their asses a little bit and sugar coat some of the negative aspects of Prometheus to give "answers" to the naysayers.

Some people need to be spoonfed. Its like someone else mentioned, I would just buy that Milburn is a professional Biologist that pulled a Steven Irwin

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by R0CK0X

I just watched the scene again. If Milburn and Fifield have their judgment impaired due to exposure to the black goo (and that was indeed the writers' intent), there doesn't seem to be an indication of it in the movie. Sure the chart explains it, but I sorta think the chart is a poor excuse for good storytelling and filmmaking.

Its a terrible excuse. Since when do "charts" get used for logic gaps, plot holes, or other inconsistencies? They cant and dont. Scenes like this dont make Prometheus a bad movie, they just take away from its overall score and rating, IMO.

Heck - Id be content with some of the idiocy and contrivances if they would have stayed with a headier, more cerebral tone like the start of the film had. The second half becoming a creature-feature is what got me a little more disappointed. Oh well. Still looking forward to where this all goes.

[R0CK0X]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

look at IMDB and some of the people here that trash all over this movie. Will THEY go see the sequel?

Yep.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

I still don't buy that excuse though. Since when is "splitting up" or "going alone" ever a good idea?

Yea, but...remember, at each duct exit one crewman had to concentrate on reading the motion tracter while the 2nd crewman handled the flammer and guarded their back.

But yes, it was a half assed plan. And like the poster above mentioned, they did not have many options.

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[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by R0CK0X

Yep.

Lol yeah...youre probably right. I mean thats usually how it goes, right?

"Transformers 1 and 2 are abysmal acts of film-making and its because of stupid people paying to see this stuff is what keeps it alive, hold on a sec.......yes I'd like one ticket to Transformers 3 please"

[groove93]

Originally Posted by jblank

Yeah, but this doesn't "protect" anything. It would be like handing a bullet proof vest to a deceased gunshot victim at this point. It's already made its money back (in spades) and is selling well on Blu, so they don't really have any obligation to cover their asses on any perceived "flaw" with the goo.

Like any corporation, the goal is to make money. What was the purpose of making Alien 3, to make another blockbuster like Aliens. Unfortunately that idea both worked and failed. So what do we do, let's make another Alien movie. Then a few years down the line you have the Comic Book crowd wanting an AVP film.

The ultimate screw up was having Fanboys direct an AVP Film.

Milking a product to death until it's completely used up, that's how it's done.

[DreamVillain]

Anyone else having a problem with claiming their digital copy?

I go to claim the digital copy for iTunes and it says that may code is invalid. Anyone know who I can contact about this or a resolution to this problem?

[groove93]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

Lol yeah...youre probably right. I mean thats usually how it goes, right?

"Transformers 1 and 2 are abysmal acts of film-making and its because of stupid people paying to see this stuff is what keeps it alive, hold on a sec.......yes I'd like one ticket to Transformers 3 please"

Leave Transformers 1 out of it, you should have seen the look on my son's face as I was all geeked up in the theater. Yes he was embarrassed. 1 was a Nostalgia piece. 2 gave me a serious Migraine, 3........................