Prometheus (2012)

[Snikt]

Originally Posted by kemcha

I'm just shocked that Hollywood hasn't tried to remake the Alien films or upgrade the special effects. lols Think I'm going to be watching Prometheus and the Alien films this weekend.

I'm glad no one's tried to remake the Alien films .

When you look at them, especially the Queen in Aliens, it's incredible they were able to accomplish that feet with no CGI. Just pure camera tricks and Stan Winston's great work.

[lifepawn]

Originally Posted by Buscemi

However, I don't get how they could make Prometheus 2 when the film has a closed ending that ties in with Alien.

They never even mention the planet from Alien/Aliens in Prometheus. The eggs on that Alien cargo ship are different than the jars of goo in Prometheus. So definitely more stuff happens we don't know about yet. All Prometheus does is confirm that Space Jockey was an alien (we already knew that), Weyland Corp is greedy (we already knew that), and show that the actual "Alien" creatures were artificially created.

Maybe its just me but I tend to view the movie as just a scifi epic that stands on its own. Change the name of the company and the way two alien creatures look and it wouldn't even be related to Alien.

[Lionel Horsepackage]

Originally Posted by kemcha

Finally got around to watching this and while it's not a great movie, it's a good brainfart like the Star Wars prequels were. Interesting to see how the Alien universe started but nothing much beyond that. Ridley Scott tried too hard with the film and there are major inconsistencies.

The one thing that Prometheus managed to do was create an even larger plot hole. The crew of the Nostromo (from Alien) lands on LV-426, which is the same planet that Aliens takes place on. I realize that Ridley was trying to bridge the Prometheus trilogy into Aliens while still managing to keep the two separate, but Prometheus manages to leave a gaping plot hole where it's unknown how the 'Aliens' managed to get from planet LV-423 to LV-426.

The facility on LV-223 was a weapons-development facility/trap set for humanity once they put together the Engineers' message of "greeting" -- in the audio commentary and documentaries, Damon Lindelof and Ridley Scott both make mention of the temple/ship hangar basically being the Engineers' version of "Anthrax Island," a place so dangerous that even the Engineers themselves were ultimately killed by their experiments.

In the supplemental materials (particularly the 3hr 45min documentary), it's explained that Jon Spaihts' original screenplay drafts were actually a direct Alien prequel, with the Engineers' ship being discovered on LV-426 (rather than LV-223), and with Shaw battling the Xenomorph at film's end, with the Alien-impregnated Space Jockey sitting in his chair, and the chestburster erupting. Decades later, the Nostromo crew detects the warning signal from there, and the rest is history.

This was changed to be something slightly more oblique, and judging from the film, it would appear that the crashed ship on LV-426 is a likely refugee from nearby LV-223 (the Engineer weapons-facility) whose cargo also ended up killing off its crew, similar to what occurred on the other planet.

[kemcha]

Thing is, the alien/aliens that are created at the end of Prometheus look to be the origin of the species, but there's a huge continuity problem considering that Prometheus takes place AFTER Aliens vs Predator and Requiem and yet, the Aliens are the modern version we've seen from the Alien films.

Prometheus might be its own series but when you're going to try and loosely connect the films, continuity needs to be followed.

Lionel, your explanation does sound plausible but it's said that LV-423 was the only habitable planet they found. I just hate it when movie producers leave such gaping holes in the plotline with even more unanswered questions. It seems that Ridley Scott has decided to take a lesson from Marvel Comics, who is always know for creating new questions about multiple plotholes and storylines than in answering any. The LOST TV series was riddled with all kinds of problems like this.

Hopefully, RS can close these plotholes before his trilogy is completed.

[Buscemi]

But remember evolution. You don't need an entire film that explains how the xenomorphs and the eggs evolved into their current shape. All you need to do is think for a few minutes and know that is how they got their current shape.

It's like how the idea of a sequel to Oz: The Great and Powerful is totally unnecessary because you already know how The Wizard became eccentric and how the witch's terror was an act of revenge (something that was already in The Wizard of Oz).

[Lionel Horsepackage]

Also, I kinda doubt anyone's ever been too seriously worried about trying to keep continuity-fidelity with either of the AvP movies, before or after Prometheus was released.

[formula_nebula]

You also have to remember, that the pods found on the engineers ship probably carried numerous types of species dna. Look at the one crew member (forget his name) from Prometheus, what he was transforming into. Which was just a result from those snake-like creatures, found on the engineers ship. Then of course we have Shaw getting impregnated, and look at those results. At the end of the movie when the alien comes out of the engineer, that is just a nod to the aliens of all the previous movies. Doesn't have to look exactly like previous alien. It's just letting the viewer know what's to come. Remember, the alien takes on certain characteristics of it's host, so that was the end result for that engineer. Now when we get to LV-426, the alien that we all have come to recognise, could very well have come from a different sample of dna. Anyway, that's just my take on things.

[kemcha]

I know. I just hope that Ridley Scott can tie up that lingering plothole before the end of his trilogy. Even if it's just a post credit scene at the end of Prometheus 3. Prometheus was a good movie, I actually enjoyed it. While I understand the need to keep Prometheus separate from the Alien films, I think that Ridley should end his trilogy with a post credit scene, perhaps simply showing the Engineer's ship crash landing on LV-423 with the final scene being the chestburster erupting from the chest of the pilot, similar to that of the end credit scene of Prometheus 1.

I'll be watching the series straight through starting Friday night.

[noddinoff]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Prometheus exercises the mind. If you don't want to exercise your mind, you can always watch Transformers or Starship Troopers.

Im watching starship troopers right now on IFC and it beats the crap out of prometheus in terms of being more entertaining and quite frankly its a better movie. The production value and visuals in SST are completely top notch as well, the CGI is on par with some of the best Ive ever seen and especially for a 16 year old movie. The movie is just pure fun, gory insanity and it does have a good bit of subtext whether you claim it does or not.

[Dead By Shaun]

Originally Posted by kemcha

Thing is, the alien/aliens that are created at the end of Prometheus look to be the origin of the species, but there's a huge continuity problem considering that Prometheus takes place AFTER Aliens vs Predator and Requiem and yet, the Aliens are the modern version we've seen from the Alien films.

Ridley Scott doesn't consider AVP to be cannon.

[kemcha]

Yeah. Thanks. I don't consider it to be canon either but it's funny how Wikipedia considers Aliens vs Predator to be the prequel series to the Alien series when that 'classification' should rightfully belong to Prometheus.

[Oblivion138]

Originally Posted by kemcha

Thing is, the alien/aliens that are created at the end of Prometheus look to be the origin of the species, but there's a huge continuity problem considering that Prometheus takes place AFTER Aliens vs Predator and Requiem and yet, the Aliens are the modern version we've seen from the Alien films.

I don't think Scott gives half a damn about maintaining any kind of consistency with those godawful films. haha Nor should he.

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by Dead By Shaun

Ridley Scott doesn't consider AVP to be cannon.

Nor should anyone that can feed themselves.

[Rz_Samurai]

Prometheus is a heck of a film in my opinion... Great overall and is one of my top 10 best films list

[Himmel]

Originally Posted by Rz_Samurai

Prometheus is a heck of a film in my opinion... Great overall and is one of my top 10 best films list

And the sequel will be great...Now all we have to do is wait for Jack Peglan to finish the story...

[Korrigan]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Stretching the mind fills the plot holes. Which of these bothers you the most?

http://movieplotholes.com/prometheus.html Definitions: http://www.movieplotholes.com/definitions.html

They should rename that website "site for bitter movie watchers".

[Oscar Rothman]

Originally Posted by Korrigan

They should rename that website "site for bitter movie watchers".

So true

[SilentDawn]

Originally Posted by Rz_Samurai

Prometheus is a heck of a film in my opinion... Great overall and is one of my top 10 best films list

I enjoy the film as well but it definitely isn't in my favorite films of all time. I think a film with such smart ideas and visuals should have the same caliber of script as well.

I found the script to be severely lacking and incredibly idiotic, even though it brought great themes and ideas to the table.

[lolwut]

Originally Posted by Buscemi

I saw the film at a cheap theatre with an audience that treated the place like a McDonald's (I was also amazed to see so many kids at a film that I was surprised the MPAA didn't rate an NC-17) and a fixed 2:1 aspect ratio (cropped from the 2.40 presentation on the 35mm print). The film was better than its reputation and Noomi Rapace and her adorable English accent was very pleasing. However, I don't get how they could make Prometheus 2 when the film has a closed ending that ties in with Alien.

Anyway, I was disappointed to found out that the release is the 2.40 version rather than the 1.90 version that played on IMAX. Like with Skyfall (which I'm holding out on until the 1.90 version is released, since I cannot imagine the film in scope), I feel that an option should have been given.

NC-17? Not even close. Evil Dead, now that's a film that could've gotten an NC-17.

[Buscemi]

It was probably the audience that I saw it with but much of the content (such as aliens coming out of people's eyes in full detail and the infamous "C-section" sequence) really felt like Scott was pushing the limits of the MPAA. It's funny how Fox at one point wanted a PG-13 on the film.

On the other hand, I never got how films like Lust, Caution, Henry and June and Happiness were NC-17 (the former two aren't that graphic while the more graphic elements of Happiness are off-screen).