Prometheus (2012)

[Early Memphis]

Originally Posted by mar3o

It's not just the plot holes. Why can't people understand that many fans didn't like what they did with the Space Jockey? They turned the skeletal remains of a gigantic, mysterious, totally alien creature designed by Giger into

[Show spoiler]a slightly-larger-than-man humanoid in a spacesuit

. That right there killed it for me. All the rest - the stupid characters (all of them), the illogical decisions made throughout, the plot holes - they're all just more baggage to weigh the film down even more.

The movie has large ideas but the ideas are very poorly realized, and I'm not sure these ideas ever should have been brought into the Alien universe.

I am sorry you didn't like the movie and I've only seen it once so I'm not defending it - but this space jockey BS ... boo hoo hoo.

I mean, get real. In the first place, science tells us that, because of gravitational effects over time for one, larger beings are unlikely - especially ones with developed brains. Secondly, finding out that there are advanced beings who look like us, approximately, would be a far more striking and unsettling experience for humankind - raising serious, primordial questions about who we are and where we came from. Which ties in with, thirdly, the ancient aliens concept that there are "pictures" of spacemen, in spacesuits, all over the planet - which modern man has dismissed as "primitive art". "Your" reaction (all of those who felt that way) heightens our modern-day primitiveness (as, in a Chaplinesque way, does the idiot behavior those human astronauts in the film) - just like the "primitive", non-technological humans who couldn't separate aliens from their technology and so thought them to be Gods. Or, in other words, to borrow from The Beatles : "Nothing is real and nothing to get hung about."

[itsaboutHD]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

I am sorry you didn't like the movie and I've only seen it once so I'm not defending it - but this space jockey BS ... boo hoo hoo.

I mean, get real. In the first place, science tells us that, because of gravitational effects over time for one, larger beings are unlikely - especially ones with developed brains. Secondly, finding out that there are advanced beings who look like us, approximately, would be a far more striking and unsettling experience for humankind - raising serious, primordial questions about who we are and where we came from. Which ties in with, thirdly, the ancient aliens concept that there are "pictures" of spacemen, in spacesuits, all over the planet - which modern man has dismissed as "primitive art". "Your" reaction (all of those who felt that way) heightens our modern-day primitiveness (as, in a Chaplinesque way, does the idiot behavior those human astronauts in the film) - just like the "primitive", non-technological humans who couldn't separate aliens from their technology and so thought them to be Gods. Or, in other words, to borrow from The Beatles : "Nothing is real and nothing to get hung about."

I'm afraid I'm going to have to go with Memphis on this one, Bob

[Lemmy Lugosi]

Originally Posted by stlcards

I bought Prometheus last year and finally watched it tonight. It was ok. I didn't totally like it or totally dislike it. It was better than 2001. (I saw some comments mentioning that movie). I hated 2001! I can at least watch Prometheus again.

Oooooh, you might go to hell for that one.

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by Lemmy Lugosi

Oooooh, you might go to hell for that one.

I like Prometheus a lot more than most but comparing it with 2001 is rather silly!

[klauswhereareyou]

Mission to Mars is better than Prometheus...does that mean it's better than 2001?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

I am sorry you didn't like the movie and I've only seen it once so I'm not defending it - but this space jockey BS ... boo hoo hoo.

I mean, get real. In the first place, science tells us that, because of gravitational effects over time for one, larger beings are unlikely - especially ones with developed brains. Secondly, finding out that there are advanced beings who look like us, approximately, would be a far more striking and unsettling experience for humankind - raising serious, primordial questions about who we are and where we came from. Which ties in with, thirdly, the ancient aliens concept that there are "pictures" of spacemen, in spacesuits, all over the planet - which modern man has dismissed as "primitive art". "Your" reaction (all of those who felt that way) heightens our modern-day primitiveness (as, in a Chaplinesque way, does the idiot behavior those human astronauts in the film) - just like the "primitive", non-technological humans who couldn't separate aliens from their technology and so thought them to be Gods. Or, in other words, to borrow from The Beatles : "Nothing is real and nothing to get hung about."

[Lemmy Lugosi]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

I am sorry you didn't like the movie and I've only seen it once so I'm not defending it - but this space jockey BS ... boo hoo hoo.

I mean, get real. In the first place, science tells us that, because of gravitational effects over time for one, larger beings are unlikely - especially ones with developed brains. Secondly, finding out that there are advanced beings who look like us, approximately, would be a far more striking and unsettling experience for humankind - raising serious, primordial questions about who we are and where we came from. Which ties in with, thirdly, the ancient aliens concept that there are "pictures" of spacemen, in spacesuits, all over the planet - which modern man has dismissed as "primitive art". "Your" reaction (all of those who felt that way) heightens our modern-day primitiveness (as, in a Chaplinesque way, does the idiot behavior those human astronauts in the film) - just like the "primitive", non-technological humans who couldn't separate aliens from their technology and so thought them to be Gods. Or, in other words, to borrow from The Beatles : "Nothing is real and nothing to get hung about."

I understand what you're saying; but, to ravage a prime\key point of another (better & well-respected) film is just stupid. Promie should never have been connected to the Alien series in any way. Perhaps it couldn't\wouldn't stand on it's own.

[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

Mission to Mars is better than Prometheus...does that mean it's better than 2001?

A kick in the balls, is better than Mission to Mars(e).

Yea.... I just signed up, and so only read the last page of this thread.
Apparently I need to reply in some thread before I can post my own thread... so....

Prometheus rocks!

There.

[Lemmy Lugosi]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

A kick in the balls is better than Mission to Mars.

Some people pay extra for that!

I'll take this in a slightly skewed direction and say that Prometheus was a kick in the balls to Alien fans! Thank Christ I didn't pay for a theater ticket for Prometheus.

[Krelldog1977]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I agree with you 100% here. It's true that all films have their issues, whether they are logic issues, continuity, effects, acting, or whatever. I mentioned Moon but I know there could be some issues in that film too regarding logic if you try to find them. But for me, Prometheus has far too many issues, not just as a stand-alone film, but also how it doesn't properly fit into the Alien universe. The fact is the Architects are not what most people expected the Space Jockey to be.

[Show spoiler]The size is off drastically, and the Architects are humanoid - far from the bizarre skeletal remains we saw in Alien.

That's the biggest issue I have with it. The other issues - weak characters, confusing motivations, poor decisions made throughout the film by various characters, my issues with the med-unit scene - that's all just heaped on top of the big issue I have - they didn't do justice to the Space Jockey. I was perfectly happy wondering for the rest of my life what the Space Jockey was. It was a mystery. If they are going to bother explaining the mystery, it better be good. And it wasn't.

That's EXACTLY how I feel as well. I pretty much walked out of the theater when Prometheus opened. The movie was so weak that I think even Alien 3 was better. ( And I hated Alien 3 ). I guess they don't make movies like they used to....
No character development, no likeable characters, it seemed as though the crew was more interested in having sex than exploring the derelict craft. Really a let down for the die hard Sci Fi fans.

[Ray O. Blu]

Originally Posted by mr_lou

Yea.... I just signed up, and so only read the last page of this thread.
Apparently I need to reply in some thread before I can post my own thread... so....

Prometheus rocks!

There.

Welcome to the forums!

I enjoyed Prometheus, also. Looking forward to the next one.

[nagysaudio]

By today's standards, Alien 3 is a masterpiece. Back in 1992 it was a very interesting letdown. But it had a very awesome mystique surrounding it that very few movies have. The trading cards which showed all of that extra footage. The SNES game was the bomb. And then of course the elusive workprint which all of the real fans had.

I rank like this:

Aliens
Alien
Alien 3
Prometheus

The rest is garbage.

[JackKnightStarman]

Originally Posted by nagysaudio

By today's standards, Alien 3 is a masterpiece. Back in 1992 it was a very interesting letdown. But it had a very awesome mystique surrounding it that very few movies have. The trading cards which showed all of that extra footage. The SNES game was the bomb. And then of course the elusive workprint which all of the real fans had.

I rank like this:

Aliens
Alien
Alien 3
Prometheus

The rest is garbage.

That SNES Game was better than the movie.

I would rank them like this:
Alien
Aliens
Prometheus or Alien 3 work print
AVP
AVP R
.
.
.
.
.
Alien Resurrection

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by Lemmy Lugosi

Some people pay extra for that!

Well, they certainly do in the long run.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Lemmy Lugosi

Oooooh, you might go to hell for that one.

It will be that Event Horizon hell too. A proper sci-fi shithole ...

Originally Posted by nagysaudio

By today's standards, Alien 3 is a masterpiece.

Yes. Alien: Little Three is better than Avatar.

[Early Memphis]

Originally Posted by chip75

... Yes. Aliens: Little Three is better than Avatar.

You're joking, yes?

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

I am sorry you didn't like the movie and I've only seen it once so I'm not defending it - but this space jockey BS ... boo hoo hoo.

I mean, get real. In the first place, science tells us that, because of gravitational effects over time for one, larger beings are unlikely - especially ones with developed brains. Secondly, finding out that there are advanced beings who look like us, approximately, would be a far more striking and unsettling experience for humankind - raising serious, primordial questions about who we are and where we came from. Which ties in with, thirdly, the ancient aliens concept that there are "pictures" of spacemen, in spacesuits, all over the planet - which modern man has dismissed as "primitive art". "Your" reaction (all of those who felt that way) heightens our modern-day primitiveness (as, in a Chaplinesque way, does the idiot behavior those human astronauts in the film) - just like the "primitive", non-technological humans who couldn't separate aliens from their technology and so thought them to be Gods. Or, in other words, to borrow from The Beatles : "Nothing is real and nothing to get hung about."

I don't give a crap about all that! IT CONTRADICTS what was established in Alien!

And furthermore... it basically drew the same concepts from the same source (Chariot of the Gods) that was already given to us with Alien vs. Predator --- And dare I say, AVP was actually a better movie! At least it was more enjoyable and its scientist characters weren't written like they were idiots.


But I will say, Prometheus looked mighty pretty visually

[Oblivion138]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

You're joking, yes?

I don't see why. Aside from the obvious technical merits, Avatar is not very good.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

You're joking, yes?

I'm not sure ...

Alien³ had a lot of potential for been full-on abstract science-fiction. For that, I salute it.

I watched Prometheus the other night and I hate the lack of professionalism that the characters mostly suffer from. It hurts the film. Pissing about shouldn't move the plot forward!