Prometheus (2012)

[CraigThom]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

You're joking, yes?

Did anything happen in Avatar that you didn't see coming? Were there any surprises? Did the movie play out exactly the way you expected it to?

Avatar was a very very pretty movie and had some great CGI (although I was more impressed with the landscapes in Brave).

[Early Memphis]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

I don't give a crap about all that! IT CONTRADICTS what was established in Alien!
And furthermore... it basically drew the same concepts from the same source (Chariot of the Gods) that was already given to us with Alien vs. Predator --- And dare I say, AVP was actually a better movie! At least it was more enjoyable and its scientist characters weren't written like they were idiots.
But I will say, Prometheus looked mighty pretty visually

It doesn't CONTRADICT anything in Alien, and even mar3o wuz jes talkin' about his interpretation of the space jockey, which is valid for him. No need to go all hyper man - and if you'd read the thread, you'd know that, unlike most, I'm a big fan of AVP.

Originally Posted by Oblivion138

I don't see why. Aside from the obvious technical merits, Avatar is not very good.

And … as yer opinion, that's absolutely valid ... but I just don't happen to agree with ya.

Originally Posted by CraigThom

Did anything happen in Avatar that you didn't see coming? Were there any surprises? Did the movie play out exactly the way you expected it to?
Avatar was a very very pretty movie and had some great CGI (although I was more impressed with the landscapes in Brave).

What's that got to do with anything? How dumb do ya gotta be to be "surprised" by what happens in mass entertainment. Avatar certainly entertained me more than Prometheus - which didn't surprise me either. I dunno, maybe that's just the price of an education. In any case, I really don't watch movies to be surprised - which is good cuz I can't recall the last time I wuz.

[CraigThom]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

It doesn't CONTRADICT anything in Alien, and even mar3o wuz jes talkin' about his interpretation of the space jockey, which is valid for him. No need to go all hyper man - and if you'd read the thread, you'd know that, unlike most, I'm a big fan of AVP.



And … as yer opinion, that's absolutely valid ... but I just don't happen to agree with ya.



What's that got to do with anything? How dumb do ya gotta be to be "surprised" by what happens in mass entertainment. Avatar certainly entertained me more than Prometheus - which didn't surprise me either. I dunno, maybe that's just the price of an education. In any case, I really don't watch movies to be surprised - which is good cuz I can't recall the last time I wuz.

You're right. I hadn't considered it from the point of view of someone who only watches movies for mindless spectacle.

[Early Memphis]

Originally Posted by CraigThom

You're right. I hadn't considered it from the point of view of someone who only watches movies for mindless spectacle.

Ya feel better now that ya got that insult off yer chest, buddy? Boy, I betcha it really feels empowering to judge someone you don't know and twist their words into yer own image. Glad to have helped out ... and I mean that ... really ... sincerely ...

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by Oblivion138

I don't see why. Aside from the obvious technical merits, Avatar is not very good.

I agree 100%! Avatar was eye candy, a beautiful movie to look at, but the storyline was lame, and it not original. The synopsis were borrowed from a variety of other previous films.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

It doesn't CONTRADICT anything in Alien, and even mar3o wuz jes talkin' about his interpretation of the space jockey, which is valid for him. No need to go all hyper man - and if you'd read the thread, you'd know that, unlike most, I'm a big fan of AVP.

First of all, I'm not "all hyper." And I never said you weren't a fan of AVP. I was just giving my take on the film in comparison to Prometheus.

Secondly, Prometheus does indeed contradict Alien; What mar30 was talking about is not his interpretation of the Space Jockey -- It's the original conception of the Space Jockey! -- which was a GIANT alien being in itself that was fossilized within the cockpit chair of the derelict spacecraft (The Pilot as originally designed by H.R. Giger). It wasn't a suit for a smaller, although still larger-than-human, alien being, until Ridley Scott changed it into such for Prometheus.

Sure, one can argue that whatever Captain Dallas (Tom Skeritt's character in Alien) saw could have just been mistaken as an alien skeleton and it may very well have actually been the remains of an aged spacesuit, because who's to say for certain what kind of extraterrestrial material it was made of and what kind environemental changes would take place over time to make it appear to look like bones as a result, but... I'm not buying it!

Ridley changed the concept, and though they're similar-looking in design, the Alien and Prometheus Space Jockeys are not the same. I look at that as a contradiction. I'd probably have less an issue with the reconception of the Space Jockey if Prometheus as a film didn't have so many other problems with it. I really want to LOVE that movie, but unfortunately, I barely like it. Even if I could view it seperately from Alien and accept it as its own movie, it still falls very short. High concept, great visuals, excellent actors, but terrible writing and awful dumb characters.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

A kick in the balls, is better than Mission to Mars(e).

I saw Mission to Mars in the theatre, sadly - and that's just what it felt like to me. One of the worst sci-fi films I've ever seen in the theatre.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Lemmy Lugosi

Some people pay extra for that!

I'll take this in a slightly skewed direction and say that Prometheus was a kick in the balls to Alien fans! Thank Christ I didn't pay for a theater ticket for Prometheus.

Yeah, that's a good way to describe Prometheus actually - a kick in the balls to the Alien fans. I actually like Alien 3 better, and I consider Alien 3 to be a pretty poor Alien film. Poor Alien effects, lots of pacing problems. At least that had some nice touches here and there. Especially the extended version on the blu-ray.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

It doesn't CONTRADICT anything in Alien, and even mar3o wuz jes talkin' about his interpretation of the space jockey, which is valid for him.

The very fact that the Space Jockey is only 7-8 feet tall in Prometheus and his "bones" that we see in Alien are actually his "spacesuit" in Prometheus is a huge contradiction.

Originally Posted by Darkstream

First of all, I'm not "all hyper." And I never said you weren't a fan of AVP. I was just giving my take on the film in comparison to Prometheus.

Secondly, Prometheus does indeed contradict Alien; What mar30 was talking about is not his interpretation of the Space Jockey -- It's the original conception of the Space Jockey! -- which was a GIANT alien being in itself that was fossilized within the cockpit chair of the derelict spacecraft (The Pilot as originally designed by H.R. Giger). It wasn't a suit for a smaller, although still larger-than-human, alien being, until Ridley Scott changed it into such for Prometheus.

Sure, one can argue that whatever Captain Dallas (Tom Skeritt's character in Alien) saw could have just been mistaken as an alien skeleton and it may very well have actually been the remains of an aged spacesuit, because who's to say for certain what kind of extraterrestrial material it was made of and what kind environemental changes would take place over time to make it appear to look like bones as a result, but... I'm not buying it!

Ridley changed the concept, and though they're similar-looking in design, the Alien and Prometheus Space Jockeys are not the same. I look at that as a contradiction. I'd probably have less an issue with the reconception of the Space Jockey if Prometheus as a film didn't have so many other problems with it. I really want to LOVE that movie, but unfortunately, I barely like it. Even if I could view it seperately from Alien and accept it as its own movie, it still falls very short. High concept, great visuals, excellent actors, but terrible writing and awful dumb characters.

Well said. Like you, I would have been more apt to forgive them for what they did with the Space Jockey if at least the film stood well on it's own merits. But it doesn't. The characters are just plain dumb, and everybody does things based on motivations that are never revealed. I didn't buy any of it. Logic is basically absent from this film. And I really wanted to like it. Instead I just find it a curiosity.

[Krelldog1977]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

First of all, I'm not "all hyper." And I never said you weren't a fan of AVP. I was just giving my take on the film in comparison to Prometheus.

Secondly, Prometheus does indeed contradict Alien; What mar30 was talking about is not his interpretation of the Space Jockey -- It's the original conception of the Space Jockey! -- which was a GIANT alien being in itself that was fossilized within the cockpit chair of the derelict spacecraft (The Pilot as originally designed by H.R. Giger). It wasn't a suit for a smaller, although still larger-than-human, alien being, until Ridley Scott changed it into such for Prometheus.

Sure, one can argue that whatever Captain Dallas (Tom Skeritt's character in Alien) saw could have just been mistaken as an alien skeleton and it may very well have actually been the remains of an aged spacesuit, because who's to say for certain what kind of extraterrestrial material it was made of and what kind environemental changes would take place over time to make it appear to look like bones as a result, but... I'm not buying it!

Ridley changed the concept, and though they're similar-looking in design, the Alien and Prometheus Space Jockeys are not the same. I look at that as a contradiction. I'd probably have less an issue with the reconception of the Space Jockey if Prometheus as a film didn't have so many other problems with it. I really want to LOVE that movie, but unfortunately, I barely like it. Even if I could view it seperately from Alien and accept it as its own movie, it still falls very short. High concept, great visuals, excellent actors, but terrible writing and awful dumb characters.

Prometheus.....uug.....it may be time for the Director to retire. What a slap in the face to us Alien fanatics. I'll keep on pretending it never came out.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Krelldog1977

Prometheus.....uug.....it may be time for the Director to retire. What a slap in the face to us Alien fanatics. I'll keep on pretending it never came out.

Yeah - after Prometheus, maybe he should walk away from doing anything involving Blade Runner prequels/sequels. I place most of the blame on the writer of Prometheus, but Scott has to take some credit. Actually, maybe Scott is the reason Prometheus wasn't any worse than it is?

[Oblivion138]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

And … as yer opinion, that's absolutely valid ... but I just don't happen to agree with ya.

Well, when the other poster stated his or her opinion, you said they must be joking...which makes it seem as if you don't much value such an opinion. I'm just backing them up. The script for Avatar is bland, unoriginal, and just not very good. About on-par for a James Cameron script. haha But if you like it, great. I just don't think it's a "joke" to suggest an alternate viewpoint.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Krelldog1977

Prometheus.....uug.....it may be time for the Director to retire. What a slap in the face to us Alien fanatics. I'll keep on pretending it never came out.

prometheus is the only one of the franchise that makes me truly angry every time I watch it. even Resurrection is a better film than Prometheus.

albeit I'd lay equal blame on Damon Linde-can't finish a story-lof than all of it on Scott

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Yeah - after Prometheus, maybe he should walk away from doing anything involving Blade Runner prequels/sequels. I place most of the blame on the writer of Prometheus, but Scott has to take some credit. Actually, maybe Scott is the reason Prometheus wasn't any worse than it is?

I'm really worried about another Blade Runner film turning out even worse than Prometheus. Rather than going back to the well and trying to expand on things he's impressively done already, I really wish Ridley would just take on Dune again if he wants his own Star Wars so badly.

Originally Posted by Oblivion138

Well, when the other poster stated his or her opinion, you said they must be joking...which makes it seem as if you don't much value such an opinion. I'm just backing them up. The script for Avatar is bland, unoriginal, and just not very good. About on-par for a James Cameron script. haha But if you like it, great. I just don't think it's a "joke" to suggest an alternate viewpoint.

Just to chime in here... I'm not a fan of James Cameron's Avatar at all either. Technical achivements aside, I actually think it's handsdown the worst movie he's made. I'll watch Titanic again before that rubbish.

Still, I'm a big fan of Aliens, Terminator 1 and 2, True Lies, and The Abyss.

[itsaboutHD]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Sure, one can argue that whatever Captain Dallas (Tom Skeritt's character in Alien) saw could have just been mistaken as an alien skeleton and it may very well have actually been the remains of an aged spacesuit, because who's to say for certain what kind of extraterrestrial material it was made of and what kind environemental changes would take place over time to make it appear to look like bones as a result, but... I'm not buying it!

I agree 100%, and I am buying it!

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by itsaboutHD

I agree 100%, and I am buying it!

Alien spacesuits turning to bone is one thing, but also expanding to gargantuan size? lol

[Early Memphis]

Originally Posted by Oblivion138

Well, when the other poster stated his or her opinion, you said they must be joking...which makes it seem as if you don't much value such an opinion. I'm just backing them up. The script for Avatar is bland, unoriginal, and just not very good. About on-par for a James Cameron script. haha But if you like it, great. I just don't think it's a "joke" to suggest an alternate viewpoint.

Do you read minds, pardner? If so ... you're not very good at it - or even reading threads. Well, I guess that's a shot, sorry. A couple of bozos on this bus have me a bit irritated. I already said that you had every right to your opinion and that it was "absolutely valid". I don't get it when people either attack other posters because they have a different opinion or react like they've been attacked if someone states a different opinion (neither of those situations pertains to you here, I'm just trying to explain the "value" I place on other's opinions). It's like their opinion is the only valid opinion. They have to be right because, well, because they are right, right? What I don't respect, ever, is lame-os taking cheap shots like a couple of clowns have on this page. They think they look tough but they only look like punks.

I usually try to stay positive (do unto others ...), sometimes I fail. I'm always ready to debate facts or call out cyber bully's, but I'm not some blowhard who thinks that his … opinions smell like roses and everyone else's smell like ... manure. As for chip75, did you even read his response? "I'm not sure ... " See, I know Chip (only a little, from his posts), and he doesn't use Smileys very often. So, as there was no clear signal or clue, I asked - positively ("You're kidding, yes?"). No disrespect intended, none apparently taken. But thanks for backing up someone you thought was under attack - even if he wasn't - we need more of that around here (but I still disagree with you about Avatar, and apparently I'm not alone - it is the highest grossing movie of all time, for now).

[Blu Myers]

I'm one of those that loves Prometheus . I like how different it is from the rest of the Alien franchise. It definitely leaves a lot to question, but I think that's a good thing. I think it is 2nd only to Alien in the series.

[nagysaudio]

Avatar is a modern masterpiece. And Cameron can't write? Seriously? Cameron is one of the most creative writers in the history of written material. He's a true visionary. Can't write?

Cameron's imagination has brought some of the very best and most fantastical yet plausible sci-fi movies of all time:

The Terminator
Aliens
The Abyss
Terminator 2: Judgment Day

Can't write?

How about the movie which won the most Oscars in the history of Oscars? Or the highest grossing movie number one and number two?

Titanic
Avatar

He can't write?

Terminator
Kyle Reese
Sarah Connor
Ellen Ripley
Bishop
Private Hudson
Corporal Hicks
Virgil Bridgman
Lt. Hiram Coffey
Harry Tasker
Helen Tasker
Jack Dawson
Rose DeWitt Bukater

These are some of the most memorable characters in the history of cinema.

Can't write? Maybe ya'll should go buy some of those incredibly lame Criterion movies announced for June.

Ridiculous nonsense.

[mar3o]

I guess somebody got rubbed the wrong way.