Prometheus (2012)

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

True, true.

I have to say, I'm not regretting it one bit. Watching it now, while it's downloading - and I forgot how freaking gorgeous this film is.

I'm guessing the blu will be reference quality

[Hawkguy]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

I have to say, I'm not regretting it one bit. Watching it now, while it's downloading - and I forgot how freaking gorgeous this film is.

Oh yes. Loved the production design especially, it was my favorite thing about this film (well, 2nd favorite.....a certain actor in both our avatars was my favorite thing about it )

[beckmen]

Originally Posted by groove93

[Show spoiler] He pretty much tells people in the industry and people questioning his motives to STFU

So Ridley has added 'cranky' to his 'crazy old man' persona. Interesting. The movie has a lot of things that seem to amount to "cuz it would be kool". Not the kind of thing you expect from such a seasoned director. It's like he's taking his cues for Anderson and the Strausi. Of course, being Ridley Scott the end result is much, much better...but still flawed right down to its atomic structure.

[tkbryant]

Originally Posted by beckmen

So Ridley has added 'cranky' to his 'crazy old man' persona. Interesting. The movie has a lot of things that seem to amount to "cuz it would be kool". Not the kind of thing you expect from such a seasoned director. It's like he's taking his cues for Anderson and the Strausi. Of course, being Ridley Scott the end result is much, much better...but still flawed right down to its atomic structure.

Thats' typical Ridley Scott though. He does his own thing. Give credit to the man, he has produced some of the most visually dazzling films of all time. He does sci-fi like no one else. He also does very pretty period pieces too, 1492 & Kingdom of Paradise are both beautifully shot films as well.

[samlop10]

I just finished watching the film via vudu.com streaming. I got to say the video quality is pretty good (as good as can be expected from streaming, probably best video quality from all streaming sources available though) and the audio is totally demo worthy. It is actually in 7.1 Dolby Digital Plus so we get the original mix even on streaming! Lots of ambiance sounds all around (as well as major sounds) perfectly placed, and an awesome low end. If I did not know better I would have thought I was hearing the lossless track. Now I can't wait to actually hear this mix in lossless and watch it in 3D together!

Btw... I watched one of the deleted scenes included in the vudu bundle, "The Final Battle",

[Show spoiler](the alternate and extended one that shows the physical face-off between Elizabeth and the Engineer, in which she actually uses the axe against him and then proceeds to the room that is next to the one where the "giant face-hugger" is)

and I got to say that I thought that it was more exciting than the one that made the final cut. It is not only more exciting but it also provides better pace and coherence during those last few moments. I do understand why R. Scott cut it though, and it makes perfect sense and I respect the decision as well.

[tkbryant]

Originally Posted by samlop10

I just finished watching the film via vudu.com streaming. I got to say the video quality is pretty good (as good as can be expected from streaming, probably best video quality from all streaming sources available though) and the audio is totally demo worthy. It is actually in 7.1 Dolby Digital Plus so we get the original mix even on streaming! Lots of ambiance sounds all around (as well as major sounds) perfectly placed, and an awesome low end. If I did not know better I would have thought I was hearing the lossless track. Now I can't wait to actually hear this mix in lossless and watch it in 3D together!

Btw... I watched one of the deleted scenes included in the vudu bundle, "The Final Battle",

[Show spoiler](the alternate and extended one that shows the physical face-off between Elizabeth and the Engineer, in which she actually uses the axe against him and then proceeds to the room that is next to the one where the "giant face-hugger" is)

and I got to say that I thought that it was more exciting than the one that made the final cut. It is not only more exciting but it also provides better pace and coherence during those last few moments. I do understand why R. Scott cut it though, and it makes perfect sense and I respect the decision as well.

Yes Vudu is extremely high quality on their HDX downloads. I've used it a few times and yes they have added DD+ audio to most newer releases. I'm very tempted to get the digital download but I'm getting it as a b-day gift on the 11th so I should probably just wait but I loved the film. Saw it once in 3D & once in digital 4K theatrically. It's going to look stunning in Blu-ray!!

[KarmaNL]

Originally Posted by samlop10

I just finished watching the film via vudu.com streaming. I got to say the video quality is pretty good (as good as can be expected from streaming, probably best video quality from all streaming sources available though) and the audio is totally demo worthy. It is actually in 7.1 Dolby Digital Plus so we get the original mix even on streaming! Lots of ambiance sounds all around (as well as major sounds) perfectly placed, and an awesome low end. If I did not know better I would have thought I was hearing the lossless track. Now I can't wait to actually hear this mix in lossless and watch it in 3D together!

Btw... I watched one of the deleted scenes included in the vudu bundle, "The Final Battle",

[Show spoiler](the alternate and extended one that shows the physical face-off between Elizabeth and the Engineer, in which she actually uses the axe against him and then proceeds to the room that is next to the one where the "giant face-hugger" is)

and I got to say that I thought that it was more exciting than the one that made the final cut. It is not only more exciting but it also provides better pace and coherence during those last few moments. I do understand why R. Scott cut it though, and it makes perfect sense and I respect the decision as well.

Unfortunately the whole "Shaw grabs a big axe" scene made absolutely no sense because of the cut. It's one of the things I hated in the theatrical cut. Besides that, they cut the best shot (that was in the trailer) with the engineer standing over Shaw sitting down.

[jjbsn5192]

Originally Posted by philip74

the bestbuy site now has yet another artwork up:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpa...egories&ks=960

if i click on the prometheus 3d version directly it says image coming soon,
but if i just search for prometheus the artwork can be seen in the list!
its the head artwork with the new 3d logo that was used for the abraham lincoln vampire hunter 3d as well, so that cover seems legit!

its crazy because i am seeing so many different cases lol! wtf!

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by KarmaNL

Unfortunately the whole "Shaw grabs a big axe" scene made absolutely no sense because of the cut. It's one of the things I hated in the theatrical cut. Besides that, they cut the best shot (that was in the trailer) with the engineer standing over Shaw sitting down.

Yeah in the final cut it seemed kind of random that she grabbed it and ultimately did not use it. I saw a video though that R. Scott decided to cut it because he thought it would undermine how big and strong the engineer looked, and since they had

[Show spoiler]shot him and he practically felt the shots as scratches

, it would have been a little contradictory that a woman with no more (physical) power than the average (compared to others) would have

[Show spoiler]hold him off for longer with an axe than a super-advanced-powered gun (Shaw does have a lot of self-motivation, endurance for pain, and psychological strength though, which is utimately what helped her survive)

.

Btw that scene with the engineer standing over shaw is in that deleted scene (in case you haven't watched it and are interested)

[Monk360]

Originally Posted by beckmen

So Ridley has added 'cranky' to his 'crazy old man' persona. Interesting. The movie has a lot of things that seem to amount to "cuz it would be kool". Not the kind of thing you expect from such a seasoned director. It's like he's taking his cues for Anderson and the Strausi. Of course, being Ridley Scott the end result is much, much better...but still flawed right down to its atomic structure.

I wouldn't say cranky per se, he does have a legitimate complaint...that after 30 years of filmmaking and having 3 of his films in the Library of Congress, the studios still have the nerve to ask him "do we really need to do this, Ridley?" I understand his frustration.

His comments also suggest that above all, he is still a visual filmmaker. He mentions that a lot of things were added to the film simply because they served the scene and that's it. It seems that every question that everyone has about the film (why did the Engineer do this or why did Fifield do that?) has a very simple answer: because Ridley Scott thought it looked cool. Granted, it may not serve everyone's understanding of the plot/story...but it's an answer I can support. That being said, I'm really looking forward to hearing Spaihts/Lindelof's commentary on the blu-ray...I'm curious to see how they feel about Ridley's visual enhancements that affected the story they were trying to tell...either to its benefit or its detriment.

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by Monk360

I wouldn't say cranky per se, he does have a legitimate complaint...that after 30 years of filmmaking and having 3 of his films in the Library of Congress, the studios still have the nerve to ask him "do we really need to do this, Ridley?" I understand his frustration.

His comments also suggest that above all, he is still a visual filmmaker. He mentions that a lot of things we're added to the film simply because they served the scene and that's it. It seems that every question that everyone has about the film (why did the Engineer do this or why did Fifield do that?) has a very simple answer: because Ridley Scott thought it looked cool. Granted, it may not serve everyone's understanding of the plot/story...but it's an answer I can support. That being said, I'm really looking forward to hearing Spaihts/Lindelof's commentary on the blu-ray...I'm curious to see how they feel about Ridley's visual enhancements that affected the story they were trying to tell...either to its benefit or its detriment.

Some people do accuse Ridley of style over substance and there may be an element of truth to that with some of his films but hey....what style!

Love the way everyone calls him Ridley - how many other director's get described by their first name?

[KarmaNL]

Originally Posted by samlop10

Btw that scene with the engineer standing over shaw is in that deleted scene (in case you haven't watched it and are interested)

Hurray!

[Roy Batty]

Originally Posted by JimDiGriz

Love the way everyone calls him Ridley - how many other director's get described by their first name?

SIR Ridley, mind you.

[groove93]

Originally Posted by Monk360

I wouldn't say cranky per se, he does have a legitimate complaint...that after 30 years of filmmaking and having 3 of his films in the Library of Congress, the studios still have the nerve to ask him "do we really need to do this, Ridley?" I understand his frustration.

His comments also suggest that above all, he is still a visual filmmaker. He mentions that a lot of things we're added to the film simply because they served the scene and that's it. It seems that every question that everyone has about the film (why did the Engineer do this or why did Fifield do that?) has a very simple answer: because Ridley Scott thought it looked cool. Granted, it may not serve everyone's understanding of the plot/story...but it's an answer I can support. That being said, I'm really looking forward to hearing Spaihts/Lindelof's commentary on the blu-ray...I'm curious to see how they feel about Ridley's visual enhancements that affected the story they were trying to tell...either to its benefit or its detriment.

Well Put!!!

[Member-222782]

At Best Buy they've got an end cap with the Alien films on display, obviously a publicity push for Prometheus, that contains the tagline "Questions Will Be Answered 10/11/12". I don't want to HAVE to buy the film on DVD/BD just to be able to make sense of the film I saw in theaters three months earlier. What if it's a film I didn't enjoy? What I see is a trend towards people making movies and purposefully leaving plot holes the size of mountains just to be able to make more money by forcing people to buy the Blu-ray if they want to "fill in the blanks". The "Questions Left Unanswered" thing works for TV shows like LOST, but not for films meant to be shown theatrically. I want to walk out of the theater fulfilled, not scratching my head.

[MoulinBlu]

Originally Posted by Monk360

One other thing, listening to Prometheus through my headphones revealed a whole slew of sound effects that I completely missed during the 7 times I watched the film in theaters. Not sure if the theaters have a slightly different mix, but the film REALLY comes to life with all of the tiny little sound effects now being clearly heard. The score seems slightly less dominant now, which I like.

Of course it's a different mix or an alteration of the original. If you're listening through headphones, you're hearing a 2-channel composite of the 6 or 8 channel mix. A studio level conversion will be altered to focus on the most crucial elements of conveying the story for improved intelligibility within the confines of stereo reproduction. If a home, component level conversion, by one's audio processor, it's more random, with an upper spectrum bias, as small stereo speakers and headphones especially are very limited down low; but also discarding a lot of info to avoid muddying intelligibility. There's not more information, there's a lot less. There has to be because not only are the speakers, by design, incapable of reproducing the full frequency range of the mix, but a single speaker can't output multiple sounds at once, like an array of 6-8 speakers can. One speaker can't produce different sounds at the same time, that were designed for simultaneous delivery from multiple speakers, without turning it into a distorted, unintelligible mess. But because the sound is being directed right into your ears, you're more conscious of what detail is still there, including any ambient detail that hasn't been discarded, but was intended to be a subconscious part of the illusion without distracting from the film.

Of course, unless you see the film in either a THX certified cinema or one of the key cinemas in select major markets, like the Manns in Hollywood, that are often used for openings and other major events, and were sitting in the vacinity of the sweetspot, you're not going to hear everything either. Many cinemas even dial back the volume to a level that much of the subtle and more intricate detail is lost: More people will complain about the volume being too loud than not being loud enough. And many commercial cineplexes as well as older cinemas, don't have adequate separation between auditoriums to completely insulate the sound of big action films from disrupting neighboring movies.

[MoulinBlu]

Originally Posted by JimDiGriz

Some people do accuse Ridley of style over substance and there may be an element of truth to that with some of his films but hey....what style!

Love the way everyone calls him Ridley - how many other director's get described by their first name?

It's about expediency in typing. People tend to condense things, especially when typing online. and Ridley is more quickly identifiable than Scott, which could refer to Tony Scott or be confused for a first name. You say Ridley, people are more likely to know who you're talking about in the context of film discussion. But unlike Spielberg, Coppola, Cameron, Lucas, Scorcese, etc, it just happens to be his first name that's less common.

[Gosszilla]

the "download" version certainly looks serviceable. It will have to do until the 3D Blu Ray arrives. I am a big fan of bonus features--and that alone makes it the real release to wait for.

[UNCMT9]

Originally Posted by cine74

At Best Buy they've got an end cap with the Alien films on display, obviously a publicity push for Prometheus, that contains the tagline "Questions Will Be Answered 10/11/12". I don't want to HAVE to buy the film on DVD/BD just to be able to make sense of the film I saw in theaters three months earlier. What if it's a film I didn't enjoy? What I see is a trend towards people making movies and purposefully leaving plot holes the size of mountains just to be able to make more money by forcing people to buy the Blu-ray if they want to "fill in the blanks". The "Questions Left Unanswered" thing works for TV shows like LOST, but not for films meant to be shown theatrically. I want to walk out of the theater fulfilled, not scratching my head.

Many people will disagree, including me. I enjoy having to think and not having every question answered. There's a sequel coming anyways, so it should answer some questions. Not to mention a show like Lost had one of the worst endings of any movie/show in history, depending who you ask.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Depending on who you ask, indeed. LOST had one of the very best endings of any show in history.