4K Movies Releases

[Geoff D]

Yes, they can go back to the raw film assets and do a new transfer. Some CG-assisted shots may have to be upconverted from the 2K original though, while others may be able to be recreated anew in 4K.

[Gamma_Winstead]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yes, they can go back to the raw film assets and do a new transfer. Some CG-assisted shots may have to be upconverted from the 2K original though, while others may be able to be recreated anew in 4K.

Ok, cool! Thank you for the information. Hopefully someday those films will get released! The current Blu's are really unimpressive due to a shockingly low bit rate from the early days of the format.

[MisterXDTV]

Elysium comparison:

UHD Web-DL (58 mbit/s HEVC) vs Blu-ray HD (25 mbit/s AVC)

https://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?g...=71224&i=3&l=0

Again, incredible ability to keep detail for Blu-ray despite 1/4 of the resolution

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

with money burning holes in their pockets.

That ^ applies to some golfers I know so I’m hoping that the 4K HDR footage recorded at the last Sony Open (Golf event) makes it to NAB 2016 next month for booth presentation as to the value of HDR over SDR for home audiences….as sports will be a primary driver for HDR.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by ray0414

The cameras used and raw files....

RAW tastes better than SStP…



Now I sit down to relax? and watch a recorded (in 709 HD SDR) North London derby.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by aronm

...Your contribution, knowledge and many precious and so important information about all of this stuff and technology is purely a miracle. Reading from a long time ago our forum I have learned so much about all of this, that I couldn't through whole of my life - if I didn't know this place. It's funny because when I know so much from You know (and this knowledge is growing every day )....

On this thread, we appreciate many people, cultures, species and places (Bydgoszcz)….

“Once a year, a small city in Poland 300 kilometers northwest of the capital acquires an unexpected distinction in the world of cinema. For one week, the streets of Bydgoszcz have perhaps the highest per capita concentration of cinematographers anywhere in the world. As many past attendees have put it: if they’re not shooting a film in mid-November, they’re probably in Bydgoszcz……
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/21/ar...tars.html?_r=5

[Geoff D]

Bid-go-zich? Bidge-o-zich-ich? Bid-go-zich-ich? Damn that Polish is hard to pronounce.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Gamma_Winstead

The Departed? Shot on film? Digital? What kind of mastering was done?

If memory serves I believe that flick was the first time Michael Ballhaus (http://www.camerimage.pl/en/stelling...-debiutow.html ) tried the DI process.

Geoff, you know where to confirm.

[aronm]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Bid-go-zich? Bidge-o-zich-ich? Bid-go-zich-ich? Damn that Polish is hard to pronounce.

And now You know Geoff how my language is difficult for foreigners. But some day You will understand it a lot more

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by aronm

And now You know Geoff how my language is difficult for foreigners. But some day You will understand it a lot more

I'm not too bad with pronouncing some of it, but when them zeds pile up I'm gone. [edit] I once knew a Polish bloke called Zbigniew so I got a few pointers from him at the time, double-u's I can handle but the rest...

[Penton-Man]

Not to worry for those allergic to reading about footie, just messin with you, I’m not referring to the final result in some soccer match, rather I’m talking having a clean capture medium for optimal HDR presentation.

For our new readers, a retrospective look back and supplementation to a post from one year ago to-the-day …..

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Since HDR will naturally enhance the inherent grain and sensor noise, be it celluloid or digital source, are you fearful of a little bit of DNR applied to dem HDR remasters of upcoming Ultra HD Blu-ray catalog titles?....Do you think any induced grain/noise management will prove a problem for critical viewers with the HDR iterations?

Something cinematographers should be aware of is if there is an intended HDR post production (esp. if one chooses to really leverage all the dynamic range in the imagery), a filmmaker really should strive for a clean capture medium to begin with. Refer to ~ 8 min. timestamp and re-emphasized at ~ the 11min mark just before the end of the interview with a colorist who’s done his fair share of HDR grades for feature films (Tomorrowland, The Martian, Exodus: Gods and KIngs)….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...3#post11918958

Plus, be it PQ (ST 2084) transfer function or hybrid log-gamma HDR method, even with some of the best cameras (F55 with 4K *prime* lenses), depending on lighting and exposure, sensor noise can become enhanced and thusly challenging during HDR post production. Factual example being (although not specifically admitted to in the marketing article per se) The Barber of Seville (http://www.sony.hu/pro/press/pr-sony...ber-of-seville) by a company based in Rome having its fair share of cutting edge 4K HDR production experience, namely, DBW.. http://www.dbwcommunication.it/?lang=en#/news

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

If memory serves I believe that flick was the first time Michael Ballhaus (http://www.camerimage.pl/en/stelling...-debiutow.html ) tried the DI process.

Yep, note to Gamma, I recalled correctly....https://www.theasc.com/ac_magazine/O...edDI/page1.php

[Opips3]

Penton-Man

its very rare, A camera digital 4K in movie called "Drag Me to Hell" was natived 4K film. it's perfect match 2160p.

Do you think again remake cgi renden graphite on 4K? because 4K film to 2K with cgi-rendens graphite.

Universal Studios waiting to see grow large business UltraHD 4K sell.

I nail to the movie in my collection list.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Opips3

Do you think again remake cgi renden...

If I understand you correctly, the answer is no, but you wouldn’t be missing much for if I recall the flick correctly much of the vfx has motion blur anyway.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by reanimator

"Deliverables for The Force Awakens included a 2D and 3D 2K DCP, a 2D and 3D Imax DCP, 35mm archival prints, and a small number of 70mm exhibition prints. "

This is why I find discussions about "director's intent" to be so hilarious. Exactly which one of these formats is how the movie is "supposed to look?" One of them? All of them?

For those unable to speak to Ben about Star Wars at last month’s HPA
timestamp ~ 1min. 40sec.

https://vimeo.com/156993765

P.S.
Appearances can be deceiving. Don’t let the attire of the guy in the hoodie fool you, for he is considered the colorists’ colorist by many in the business.

[Opips3]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

If I understand you correctly, the answer is no, but you wouldn’t be missing much for if I recall the flick correctly much of the vfx has motion blur anyway.

thanks,

more information about "drag me to hell" CGI vfx
https://www.fxguide.com/featured/drag_me_to_hell/


cool this
http://www.traileraddict.com/drag-me.../vfx-breakdown

[Opips3]

PENTON MAN!!!

re-render VFX on DI 4K master...is working or not?
whatever drag me to hell!

[Rik1138]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

P.S.
Appearances can be deceiving. Don’t let the attire of the guy in the hoodie fool you, for he is considered the colorists’ colorist by many in the business.

Haha, actually, that's exactly how I expect someone to look that's a behind the scenes worker... It's always interesting to see them in interviews.

(And, damn, I think I remember first meeting him at POP nearly 20 years ago... Wasn't expecting to see that name, haven't really been a part of that area of the industry in a while.)

[jaaguir]

Originally Posted by PowerfulMJC

I'd say expect a 4K release is likely for both of these movies this year. It's hard to believe that 2016 marks the 10th anniversary for both of those movies already. Expect 4K Blu-ray Anniversary Editions on them, along with special edition regular Blu-rays that sport video sourced from the 4K editions.

Would be nice, as long as they do a 6k scan of the original assets for a new 4k master ("The departed" for me).

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Yep, note to Gamma, I recalled correctly....https://www.theasc.com/ac_magazine/O...edDI/page1.php

We know Warner has no problem upconverting 2k DIs so it's not a problem of wether the movie could be released on UHD. But does what you said mean anything for a proper UHD release? I mean, where you implying because the movie was finished with a 2k DI, they won't bother to do a new 4k master now, or something like that?
(also, I'd like to think they didn't start throwing away the camera negative when finishing on DIs became all the rage...)

Originally Posted by Opips3

PENTON MAN!!!

re-render VFX on DI 4K master...is working or not?
whatever drag me to hell!

I think he said the cgi had lots of motion blur and wouldn't be much improved by a 4k rendering. I don't know if he meant it humorously. In any case, re-rendering and re-comping all the vfx for a new 4k master seems unheard of. Very expensive, I would assume. I hope expert Penton-Man will answer you better.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Rik1138

Haha, actually, that's exactly how I expect someone to look that's a behind the scenes worker...

In my opinion, there are also pleasant anomalies…..




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