4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[Canada]

Why can't HDMI 2.0 deliver 18 gbps and HDCP, the only reason I can think of is that HDCP takes up gigabytes it self?

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Originally Posted by Canada

Why can't HDMI 2.0 deliver 18 gbps and HDCP, the only reason I can think of is that HDCP takes up gigabytes it self?

Are you talking about long distance hdmi or short distance?

[Trigen]

Originally Posted by hajiketobu

You can't compare people who bought Mastered in 4K - 1080p BR releases to people who will actually buy 4k BR releases.

That is a very flawed comparison.

And Tech-UK is right.

I know it is flawed, but it do you suppose everyone who has 4k display has upgraded from the Sony releases to their "Mastered in 4k" releases, even though it does provide an incremental upgrade? For new BR's and the fan favorite movies, sure the 4k sales will be good; but for most re-releases, I doubt the sales numbers will be as good.

I doubt most people will even be experiencing 4k; given the reduced viewing distance requirements, thereby affecting their perspective of 4k vs 2k. At least with 3D, the difference is easily apparent to any one.

Edit: I am enthusiastic about 4k Blu Ray. I find it hard to believe the enthusiasm shared by those in this thread with the wider public. Furthermore, I hope the uptake rate does not adversely affects 6k, 8k development.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Trigen

I know it is flawed, but it do you suppose everyone who has 4k display has upgraded from the Sony releases to their "Mastered in 4k" releases, even though it does provide an incremental upgrade? For new BR's and the fan favorite movies, sure the 4k sales will be good; but for most re-releases, I doubt the sales numbers will be as good.

I doubt most people will even be experiencing 4k; given the reduced viewing distance requirements, thereby affecting their perspective of 4k vs 2k. At least with 3D, the difference is easily apparent to any one.

Edit: I am enthusiastic about 4k Blu Ray. I find it hard to believe the enthusiasm shared by those in this thread with the wider public. Furthermore, I hope the uptake rate does not adversely affects 6k, 8k development.

On high quality material and a good UHD display, I can EASILY tell that a source is 2160p even when I'm a bit further back from the set than the recommended distance.

However, we need quality source media and UHD discs (which will be far better than streaming and downloads for quite some time) will need to deliver most of the potential goods at the outset or the format will fail and there won't be 6k or even 8k for a very long time.

Brilliant 4k with 3D lossless audio would be fantastic and hold my attention for quite a while.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

There's always something down the road that's newer and improved.

Agree, but 4K doesn't even have a standard yet? HDMI 2.0 has 2 different standards and the high band with one wont work with HDCP 2.2.

[BozQ]

Other than higher dynamic range and expanded colour gamut, the other thing I want most from Blu-ray is support for HFR 3D. 48 to 60fps.

I honestly don't really care about the actual 4K resolution, knowing there aren't many 4K titles to begin with.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Other than higher dynamic range and expanded colour gamut, the other thing I want most from Blu-ray is support for HFR 3D. 48 to 60fps.

I think you'll be very lucky to have a 24fps 4K 3D standard included in UHD, never mind an HFR option (and there's been no mention of 48fps even for 2D).

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Agree, but 4K doesn't even have a standard yet? HDMI 2.0 has 2 different standards and the high band with one wont work with HDCP 2.2.

Originally Posted by Canada

Why can't HDMI 2.0 deliver 18 gbps and HDCP, the only reason I can think of is that HDCP takes up gigabytes it self?

Guys, PLEASE don't take that ill-informed video as gospel re: full fat HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. There is simply an ongoing shortage of silicon that does both, it always takes time to get production of a fiddly new chip up and running. You need a faster processor for HDMI 2.0's full bandwidth, 600MHz at least, whereas most current HDMI chips run at 225 or 300MHz.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by BozQ

48

Well 48’s bean kicked around, see last paragraph, e.g. 48Hz….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...hz#post9732007

If I had to crystal ball it, in the grand scheme of the history of filmmaking, if HFR ever gains any traction with motion pictures, I would say that a fixed frame rate of 48fps will be looked back on as an early experiment….with a higher fixed frame rate or variable rates ultimately prevailing.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by BozQ

...I honestly don't really care about the actual 4K resolution, knowing there aren't many 4K titles to begin with.

Zee BIG picture - "4K or increased spatial resolution alone has increased peoples’ awareness (and resultant R&D) of…" https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...g#post10123295

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Guys, PLEASE don't take that ill-informed video as gospel re: full fat HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. There is simply an ongoing shortage of silicon that does both, it always takes time to get production of a fiddly new chip up and running. You need a faster processor for HDMI 2.0's full bandwidth, 600MHz at least, whereas most current HDMI chips run at 225 or 300MHz.

Truly.

There is no ‘incompatibility’ between HDCP 2.2 and ‘full’ HDMI 2.0 (not to mention, as an aside, even ‘only’ HDMI 2.0 Lite (10.2 Gbps) is capable of handling 4K/24 Hz/12 bit depth/4:2:2 chroma subsampling.

I posted this announcement by SI in some thread on this forum almost a year ago…http://www.siliconimage.com/Company/...with_HDCP_2_2/

Perhaps? zee chips may have gotten out to the marketplace faster if they didn’t have some workers scratching their armpits?…

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[bailey1987]

I posted this in the 4K movies thread but it's probably better here:

I want to know what the packaging will be like, I am really routing for something that is completely different from Blu-ray's. What I want is for them to be more like PlayStation 4's game boxes, I don't need to bar at the top with the Blu-ray logo it means there's less room for the artwork. Further to this once the studios have added the banner for the "this film comes with a DVD copy, a Blu-ray copy, and an ultraviolet copy" there is even less room for the artwork as that takes up about half an inch on top of the Blu-ray logo.

One of the questions I have is will 3D with 4K per eye be available from launch? Looking at HEVC profile 2 I can't see it being there at all never mind with 4K per eye.

Can H.264 do 3D with 4K per eye?

Does anybody care to make a prediction about CES or discuss their expectations?

My prediction is... We will see DTS UHD and that's that, better than nothing. The suspense is killing me, I can't wait for CES or any other tech show next year for that matter.

Speaking of DTS UHD anyone care to guess as to what it could be/do?

My guess is that it won't be called DTS UHD and if it is called anything close to that it will be DTS UHD MA, as far as channels are concerned I think it will be analogous to Dolby ATMOS. Imagine if it requires a different layout

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Does anybody care to make a prediction about CES or discuss their expectations?

My expectations:

• More hardware shown than software. The software will be carefully constructed demos running on prototype players.
• No 3D. I think 3D on 4K TVs is going to transition to passive of regular Blu-ray 3D releases, which means 1080P.
• There will be a general "Actual titles to be announced by each studio at a later date."

My hope:

• A clear path to more than just higher resolution. Tell us about the color, etc
• Each studio will announce a few "waves" of titles that will start hitting late 3Q or early 4Q. Additionally, some of the studios with 2015s blockbusters will generally say "All new releases will be day & date on 4K Blu-Ray."

EDIT: My personal opinion is that Blu-Ray 4K will be a token release late in 2015. We won't see any significant ramp of actual titles until 2Q16.

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

I posted this in the 4K movies thread but it's probably better here:

I want to know what the packaging will be like, I am really routing for something that is completely different from Blu-ray's. What I want is for them to be more like PlayStation 4's game boxes, I don't need to bar at the top with the Blu-ray logo it means there's less room for the artwork. Further to this once the studios have added the banner for the "this film comes with a DVD copy, a Blu-ray copy, and an ultraviolet copy" there is even less room for the artwork as that takes up about half an inch on top of the Blu-ray logo.

One of the questions I have is will 3D with 4K per eye be available from launch? Looking at HEVC profile 2 I can't see it being there at all never mind with 4K per eye.

Can H.264 do 3D with 4K per eye?

Does anybody care to make a prediction about CES or discuss their expectations?

My prediction is... We will see DTS UHD and that's that, better than nothing. The suspense is killing me, I can't wait for CES or any other tech show next year for that matter.

Speaking of DTS UHD anyone care to guess as to what it could be/do?

My guess is that it won't be called DTS UHD and if it is called anything close to that it will be DTS UHD MA, as far as channels are concerned I think it will be analogous to Dolby ATMOS. Imagine if it requires a different layout

I replied in the other thread. But I'm having problems copying the post here with Tapatalk. So go there to have a look.

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

I posted this in the 4K movies thread but it's probably better here:

I want to know what the packaging will be like, I am really routing for something that is completely different from Blu-ray's. What I want is for them to be more like PlayStation 4's game boxes, I don't need to bar at the top with the Blu-ray logo it means there's less room for the artwork. Further to this once the studios have added the banner for the "this film comes with a DVD copy, a Blu-ray copy, and an ultraviolet copy" there is even less room for the artwork as that takes up about half an inch on top of the Blu-ray logo.

One of the questions I have is will 3D with 4K per eye be available from launch? Looking at HEVC profile 2 I can't see it being there at all never mind with 4K per eye.

Can H.264 do 3D with 4K per eye?

Does anybody care to make a prediction about CES or discuss their expectations?

My prediction is... We will see DTS UHD and that's that, better than nothing. The suspense is killing me, I can't wait for CES or any other tech show next year for that matter.

Speaking of DTS UHD anyone care to guess as to what it could be/do?

My guess is that it won't be called DTS UHD and if it is called anything close to that it will be DTS UHD MA, as far as channels are concerned I think it will be analogous to Dolby ATMOS. Imagine if it requires a different layout

I want every single release to be in steelbook packaging

[bruceames]

Here's an interesting article from HMM (dated today) which discusses what might emerge from CES regarding 4K.

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/con...nter-ces-34880

The only mention of Blu-ray is that the spec is still a year away.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Esox50

EDIT: My personal opinion is that Blu-Ray 4K will be a token release late in 2015. We won't see any significant ramp of actual titles until 2Q16.

That's pretty much a given, every new format starts off with expensive hardware and only a handful of titles to play on it. 2016 will be the true start of the 4K BD era.

[David M]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

The only mention of Blu-ray is that the spec is still a year away.

I think they've misheard that, based on the hardware being available around a year from now. (Hopefully a little less than a year).

[hajiketobu]

Does anybody know about the situation in the gay porn and straight porn industry?
Is 4k porn already a thing?

I've never seen a D in 4K

[Trigen]

[quote=hajiketobu;10225563]Does anybody know about the situation in the gay porn and straight porn industry?
Is 4k porn already a thing?

I've never seen a D in 4K [/quoote]

Search reddit for 4k p@rn if you want to.

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Originally Posted by hajiketobu

I've never seen a D in 4K

Not even 3D in 4K?