4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[Pieter V]

Note: I uploaded high res covers for those movies that are in the database. My individual created topics per title; will be automatically updated, once the covers are approved by an Admin.

[elwaylite]

Panasonic stated Q2, but that is a wide range. Im going to stick with the Samsung preorder if/when discs show up early. I'll probably be owning both so i can try them out. Prefer the look of the Panny.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Yes ideally I want the one that downscales/samples to the best your TV can do and not just some predetermined set number. I'm sure the Kuro is a 10bit panel so it would be a shame to drop it to 8bit.

Anybody have any idea exactly how this would work? Will downcoversion just switch everything to back to HD standard, or will it take advantage of the sets capabilities?

The kuro has always had 36 bit processing, it just needed a source.

Curious about this.

[elwaylite]

Was the panel actually 10 bit (instead of 8 bit)? 4:4:4 36 bit color has nothing to do with panel bit depth. Think Deep Color setting.

These LCD's are just hitting 10 bit panels for UHD.

[saprano]

I think you're correct, yeah. Not 100% sure though.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by saprano

Anybody have any idea exactly how this would work? Will downcoversion just switch everything to back to HD standard, or will it take advantage of the sets capabilities?

The kuro has always had 36 bit processing, it just needed a source.

Curious about this.

ME too, the Kuro definitely has 36 bit processing and deep colour as I said with any luck the Ultra HD Blu-ray players will sniff this out and make use of it along with 60fps.

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

ME too, the Kuro definitely has 36 bit processing and deep colour as I said with any luck the Ultra HD Blu-ray players will sniff this out and make use of it along with 60fps.

Deep Color has been around and never used, nothing new. IMO, I think HDR and DCIP3 are going to move right past the color interpolation of 8 bit, but I could be wrong. Ive not used a Deep Color "On" setting in years.

I very seriously doubt a non UHD 8 bit panel is going to benefit at ALL from a UHD movie and player. Could be wrong though. I wonder if the players will take a 2160p disc and drop it down to 1080p?

[Geoff D]

Some 4K LCD panels from the last couple of years are 8-bit + HiFRC, which to all intents and purposes is a 10-bit panel so it'll be interesting to see if that benefit can at least be transposed onto the poor old 'non-certified' 4K TVs that are out there.

But yeah, it's all that downconversion stuff that's giving me pause: say my 4K set can't even take 10-bit 4K (on top of the lack of WCG and SDR), that means it'd be downconverted to 8-bit SDR .709 on the fly and I just don't like the sound of that, daddy.

But guys, I wouldn't worry so much about the actual technicalities of how/when/why the player will know what to output, as the display's EDID should be able to inform the player of what it can/can't handle. Even if it can't, the players will surely have variable settings for these outputs? *Geoff scarpers to check the manual for that Samsung player*

[Geoff D]

BTW: just because Deep Colour (simply a fancy term for higher bit depth) has been a Deep Waste of Time in the Blu-ray era, doesn't mean that 10-bit will be a bust on UHD Blu.

'Deep Colour' was never strictly about 'expanding' colour on an image that wasn't encoded into it already, it's about creating finer colour gradients (0-255 for 8-bit, 0-1023 for 10-bit) within whichever colour gamut is being used, so the higher the bit depth the less potential for banding (assuming competent encoding, natch ).

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

BTW: just because Deep Colour (simply a fancy term for higher bit depth) has been a Deep Waste of Time in the Blu-ray era, doesn't mean that 10-bit will be a bust on UHD Blu.

'Deep Colour' was never strictly about 'expanding' colour on an image that wasn't encoded into it already, it's about creating finer colour gradients (0-255 for 8-bit, 0-1023 for 10-bit) within whichever colour gamut is being used, so the higher the bit depth the less potential for banding (assuming competent encoding, natch ).

I guess my curiosity is an expanded gamut already, with HDR, does deep color even serve a purpose now? Or was it just a lame duck?

Ive always found ycbcr 444 to produce less banding than 422, but I always left the optional DC setting off.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Im going to stick with the Samsung preorder if/when discs show up early. I'll probably be owning both so i can try them out. Prefer the look of the Panny.

Last summer I thought about purchasing a top of line Samsung BD player until I discovered Samsung players do not have discrete On/Off IR codes. My older Panasonic does as well as LG players so purchased a LG BP540.

[bailey1987]

Sony to use Dolby ATMOS:

http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...-Collaboration

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment and Dolby Announce Collaboration to Release Extensive Slate of Titles Featuring Dolby Atmos


Looks like DTS X is a bit of a bust if you ask me.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

ME too, the Kuro definitely has 36 bit processing and deep colour as I said with any luck the Ultra HD Blu-ray players will sniff this out and make use of it along with 60fps.

Would be cool if it works that way.

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Deep Color has been around and never used, nothing new. IMO, I think HDR and DCIP3 are going to move right past the color interpolation of 8 bit, but I could be wrong. Ive not used a Deep Color "On" setting in years.

I very seriously doubt a non UHD 8 bit panel is going to benefit at ALL from a UHD movie and player. Could be wrong though. I wonder if the players will take a 2160p disc and drop it down to 1080p?

I assum it will work the same way using a BD player on a SDTV did. In that case benefiting from the higher source? My friend did this with his PS3. He started buying BD's years before he got a HDTV.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Some 4K LCD panels from the last couple of years are 8-bit + HiFRC, which to all intents and purposes is a 10-bit panel so it'll be interesting to see if that benefit can at least be transposed onto the poor old 'non-certified' 4K TVs that are out there.

But yeah, it's all that downconversion stuff that's giving me pause: say my 4K set can't even take 10-bit 4K (on top of the lack of WCG and SDR), that means it'd be downconverted to 8-bit SDR .709 on the fly and I just don't like the sound of that, daddy.

But guys, I wouldn't worry so much about the actual technicalities of how/when/why the player will know what to output, as the display's EDID should be able to inform the player of what it can/can't handle. Even if it can't, the players will surely have variable settings for these outputs? *Geoff scarpers to check the manual for that Samsung player*

All interesting stuff. Guess we'll really find out in a few months when the 4K players come out.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Sony to use Dolby ATMOS:

http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...-Collaboration

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment and Dolby Announce Collaboration to Release Extensive Slate of Titles Featuring Dolby Atmos


Looks like DTS X is a bit of a bust if you ask me.

Damn. Didn't the same thing happen with DVD? DTS was late coming out and that's why Dolby Digital dominated?

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by saprano

Damn. Didn't the same thing happen with DVD? DTS was late coming out and that's why Dolby Digital dominated?

It would appear so which is surprising really considering that Universal and 20th Century Fox each had a stake in DTS. Also surprising considering that DTS MA dominates the Blu-ray market.

At the minute I'm not too concerned considering the it's anyone's guess as to what and how DTS X is and works.

[2themax]

Four major studios are committed to releasing multiple titles to the home market featuring a DTS:X soundtrack. These will follow the first titles that have been released thus far, "Ex Machina," "American Ultra" and "The Last Witch Hunter." The upcoming titles will be announced in the coming weeks and months.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...300198722.html

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by 2themax

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...300198722.html

Things can change.

It all depends on whether the late February/early March firmware release for DTS: X gets delayed again or not.

[bailey1987]

It needs a channel layout without one you can only assume that it takes Dolby's ATMOS into consideration and if it doesn't have any additional channel support then DTS X is little more than a EQ tool like Audyssey, YAPO, MCAAC et al.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Sony to use Dolby ATMOS:

http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...-Collaboration

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment and Dolby Announce Collaboration to Release Extensive Slate of Titles Featuring Dolby Atmos


Looks like DTS X is a bit of a bust if you ask me.

To be fair this has been known for a while - Sony has been using them on BD and announced Dolby Atmos / Dolby Vision as their UHD authoring package a while back.

Originally Posted by saprano

Damn. Didn't the same thing happen with DVD? DTS was late coming out and that's why Dolby Digital dominated?

DTS is *always* late. They got lucky with BD in the authoring package with DTS was superior.

Originally Posted by bailey1987

It would appear so which is surprising really considering that Universal and 20th Century Fox each had a stake in DTS. Also surprising considering that DTS MA dominates the Blu-ray market.

At the minute I'm not too concerned considering the it's anyone's guess as to what and how DTS X is and works.

Fox never had a stake in DTS, just Universal. Interestingly enough Fox's current theatrical slate has been aggressively Atmos.


Remember it isn't like TrueHD or DTS-MA where the codec is just losslessly compressing existing PCM masters. With Atmos or DTS-X the objects have to be specifically encoded in that format, and most movies with object audio have been Atmos. However Sony's been pretty aggressive about remixing movies in the format that were just 5.1
The first older film remixed in Atmos was Die Hard. Too bad nobody's been able to hear it outside the demos a couple years ago. So Fox has the authoring package but has yet to announce anything.

[Dubstar]

so when does Disney Home Video have it's press news / announcements from CES this week ???