4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Something else that is interesting is that UHD BD doesn't allow for SD content or extras; they'll either have to be in 1080p or 2160p. Studios will no longer be able to just port over the same old SD content without making an effort to give consumers HD content.

I hope this is true but it seems to be asking too much, I suspect we will still see 480ip special features.

[Kirsty_Mc]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Something else that is interesting is that UHD BD doesn't allow for SD content or extras; they'll either have to be in 1080p or 2160p. Studios will no longer be able to just port over the same old SD content without making an effort to give consumers HD content.

SD up-scaled to 1080P .

[raygendreau]

Yes, physical disc will continue on for years to come. The delivery method will change over time. Today you can buy a BD + digital/UV package. Digital downloads of the content are usually available weeks before the physical disc is released. With the intro of UHD BR (note that there is no ‘D’ in Ultra HD Blu-ray), thanks to the Digital Bridge, you will be able to play the content from the physical media or from the UHD Blu-ray copy on your HDD. Do you think there will be a significant difference between the content quality from the physical media and the HDD? Will there be any difference at all? How about the quality of an internet UHD download compared to the physical disc? How many BD buyers will be peeled away by the quality of UHD digital downloads if the downloaded content is perceived to be as good as the physical disc?

In the second generation of UHD BR players, expect the inclusion of UHD BR burners. At some point in time, as the transition from physical to digital media continues, you will no longer purchase physical media initially, but you will have the option of purchasing physical media as a right packaged with a digital download. If you can accept not having packaging, you can burn one UHD BR physical disc. If you want packaging, you will be able to have it mailed to you, perhaps will an additional charge for the packaging and shipment.

While Ron Martin mentioned the disadvantages of streaming, he did not mention downloading. Today, it may take hours to download a full length UHD file. How important is that, given you will be able to watch it weeks before it will be available on physical disc?

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Teazle

Now if I watch in pitch darkness on a projection screen (currently 188" diag, viewing about 10.5' back), supposing I upgrade source and PJ, is it even possible to enjoy HDR without burning my eyes out? ATM I want to get black levels lower (always natch) but as for brightness peaks, umm... Intuitively my existing PJ looks plenty bright; I don't see how HDR can help in this environment.

How in the world can your eyes tolerate watching a 188" diag. image from only 10.5 feet back? You must do a lot of turning your head back and forth to watch the entire image. With my FP set-up, I sit about 9.5 back from a 9 foot wide scope screen that is far smaller than your screen and that is pushing it (with scope movies).

[aaranmcr]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

I agree, my household has too many people connecting to the internet at one time, buffering even 360p videos on YouTube can be a pain if too many are online, and that's with a BT infinity subscription.

I sometimes wonder what the rest of the house is doing because I can be crawling along with an Ethernet connection.

I have all but given up with wi fi I only ever use it for internet surfing, or when no one is in the house, if even I have to stream a video I either get lucky or switch the PS4 on.

I noticed speed improve when my sister moved out but recently my dad discovered YouTube and it's been a nightmare ever since

Hello my friend. I have bt fiber and we have 5 streaming at a time most nights without problems. 5 bars at the other side of the house. Expensive but ill never leave bt now. Every 18 months i ring up and threaten to leave so i can get another discount. As i do with every other contract i have.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

With the intro of UHD BR (note that there is no ‘D’ in Ultra HD Blu-ray)

That would mean the association is BRA. Don't think so, it is BDA, official BD is Blu-ray Disc and the new one is Ultra HD Blu-ray. For short I will continue to use UHD BD which seems better than UHD B.

How about the quality of an internet UHD download compared to the physical disc?

Many variables, most of the UHD stuff on the Sony FMP-X1 and X10 does not look any better than their BD counterparts. Some UHD shorts on SEN and YouTube do look very good. However, they are not significantly better than BD in terms of detail.

[Coenskubrick]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Something else that is interesting is that UHD BD doesn't allow for SD content or extras; they'll either have to be in 1080p or 2160p. Studios will no longer be able to just port over the same old SD content without making an effort to give consumers HD content.

Yeah they will, they'll just export the SD files in 1080p.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Coenskubrick

Yeah they will, they'll just export the SD files in 1080p.

I can't imagine the BDA would allow for that. Otherwise what's the purpose of limiting content to 1080p or 2160p?

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

I can't imagine the BDA would allow for that. Otherwise what's the purpose of limiting content to 1080p or 2160p?

To exclude content that will likely remain exclusive to 480p. If Blu-ray sales weren't enough motivation for studios like Warner to re-encode the extras in HD, then UHD BD certainly won't be. So the end result will just be less extras on catalog movies. Anyway, at least that will keep the BD (or DVD, or both) still relevant when you repurchase your favorites in UHD.

It appears the BDA is really trying to remove anything to do with DVD from its profile, as if it were the bad guy (which to them, they are).

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

To exclude content that will likely remain exclusive to 480p. If Blu-ray sales weren't enough motivation for studios like Warner to re-encode the extras in HD, then UHD BD certainly won't be. So the end result will just be less extras on catalog movies. Anyway, at least that will keep the BD (or DVD, or both) still relevant when you repurchase your favorites in UHD.

It appears the BDA is really trying to remove anything to do with DVD from its profile, as if it were the bad guy (which to them, they are).

Or you could simply include a DVD with the SD extras.

I'm sure the BDA is just trying to keep UHD BD a premium product. DVD to BD is a 6x increase in resolution and BD to UHD BD is a 4x increase. That means DVD to UHD BD is a 24x increase in resolution thus any upscaling would be extrapolating 23 pixels for every 1 pixel.

But how many studios just slap on a 480i theatrical trailer rather than going back and exerting effort to include a 1080p one?

[bruceames]

The probably removed the word "disc" from it's name because they added "Ultra HD" in front of it. Even so, a six syllable name is just too long.

Anyway, I don't think UHD Blu-ray will be just a disc format, unless they want to compete with UHD digital sell-through...which I doubt they do.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

The probably removed the word "disc" from it's name because they added "Ultra HD" in front of it. Even so, a six syllable name is just too long.

Anyway, I don't think UHD Blu-ray will be just a disc format, unless they want to compete with UHD digital sell-through...which I doubt they do.

Well at least we'll get ultra combo packs with banners on the cover art that state:

Ultra HD Blu-ray + Blu-ray 3D + Blu-ray + DVD + Digital Ultra HD + Digital HD

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Well at least we'll get ultra combo packs with banners on the cover art that state:

Ultra HD Blu-ray + Blu-ray 3D + Blu-ray + DVD + Digital Ultra HD + Digital HD

Actually the SCSA (which has Warner and Fox as major studio backers) plans to sell "packets" like you described, except all in digital format and in various resolutions.

Each movie or TV program will be delivered as “a pack” – the organization’s name for a collection of digital files comprised of different resolution versions for play back on the most appropriate display.

The pack will contain a title in each of the following – an SD version, an HD version, XHD version (FullHD at Blu-ray equivalent bit rates), and a 4K Ultra HD version. Each version can be digitally “peeled off” of the pack and sent to another device for playback, or the entire pack can be sent in one lump, the SCSA explained.

Although 4K UHD content is stored on an associated device, viewers will be able to immediately view a downloading title via streaming at a lower resolution level while the higher 4K version downloads.

http://hdguru.com/scsa-readies-forma...ce/#more-15330

I wonder if there will be some association between the SCSA and the BDA eventually?

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Well at least we'll get ultra combo packs with banners on the cover art that state:

Ultra HD Blu-ray + Blu-ray 3D + Blu-ray + DVD + Digital Ultra HD + Digital HD

That was good rdodolak

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Well at least we'll get ultra combo packs with banners on the cover art that state:

Ultra HD Blu-ray + Blu-ray 3D + Blu-ray + DVD + Digital Bridge + Digital HD

Wouldn't it be like that instead?

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Actually the SCSA (which has Warner and Fox as major studio backers) plans to sell "packets" like you described, except all in digital format and in various resolutions.



I wonder if there will be some association between the SCSA and the BDA eventually?

It was clear from the leaked BOD 45 final report and proposals that the BDA was working very closely with both DECE (UV) and SCSA to assure compatibility with the Digital Bridge. The delivery of the UHD downloads that Samsung and Fox collaborated on were tested using the 1 TB UHD video pack. The first one had 5 movies and several shorts. The most recent one has 10 movies and 30 short clips. The movies are primarily from Fox with a few from Paramount and one from Warner.

I believe that the UHD HDR movies from Fox will be delivered by the same 1 TB video pack or by download from M-Go through the digital bridge in the UHD BR player.

The latest Video Pack http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electr...uhd+video+pack

G.I Joe: Retaliation, Paramount
World War Z, Paramount
Night at the Museum, Fox
X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Fox
The counselor, Fox
Life of Pi, Fox
Star Trek (2009), Paramount
Star Trek Into Darkness, Paramount
Forrest Gump, Warner
The Book Thief Fox

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

It was clear from the leaked BOD 45 final report and proposals that the BDA was working very closely with both DECE (UV) and SCSA to assure compatibility with the Digital Bridge. The delivery of the UHD downloads that Samsung and Fox collaborated on were tested using the 1 TB UHD video pack. The first one had 5 movies and several shorts. The most recent one has 10 movies and 30 short clips. The movies are primarily from Fox with a few from Paramount and one from Warner.

I believe that the UHD HDR movies from Fox will be delivered by the same 1 TB video pack or by download from M-Go through the digital bridge in the UHD BR player.

The latest Video Pack http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electr...uhd+video+pack

G.I Joe: Retaliation, Paramount
World War Z, Paramount
Night at the Museum, Fox
X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Fox
The counselor, Fox
Life of Pi, Fox
Star Trek (2009), Paramount
Star Trek Into Darkness, Paramount
Forrest Gump, Warner
The Book Thief Fox

And they have pretty bad mastering and compression too. I hope this isn't the future of entertainment...

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

And they have pretty bad mastering and compression too. I hope this isn't the future of entertainment...

What is the issue with compression? Have you seen the video pack on a UHD Samsung? They use HEVC H-265.

A review of the original 3 movie video pack: http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsun...eo-pack-review

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

What is the issue with compression? Have you seen the video pack on a UHD Samsung? They use HEVC H-265.

A review of the original 3 movie video pack: http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsun...eo-pack-review

The new one has more films encoded at what looks like a fairly low bitrate. Macroblocking in fast moving scenes.

[raygendreau]

Here is confirmation that HDR movies will be on the Samsung video pack

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarch...hd-video-pack/