4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[raygendreau]

In a recently posted video discussing HDR, Stacy Spears said, initially, many more BD HDRs will be released than UHD BR. A new UHD BR player will be required to play them.

[Geoff D]

Of course, because 1080p is still part of the UHD BD spec, HDR included. I've said before about how I thought there wouldn't be a lot of 1080p and/or upscaled 2K-to-4K content to start off with because the studios & manufacturers wouldn't want to confuse consumers (see flippant comment at the end of my post).

But seeing as how they've increasingly distanced themselves from the 4K branding (Sony excepted) and are playing up the other features of UHD BD like HDR and the Digital Bridge, it makes sense that 1080p content won't be ostracised and may even be embraced if the studios don't want to start shamelessly upscaling all those masses of 2K DI's (already in 10-bit P3 and so they'd just need a HDR regrade).

What'll really bake people's noodles is that such discs will still be 1080p movies on a 50GB platter, SO WHY WON'T IT WORK ON MAH REGULAR PLAYA, PLAYA?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

.....Disclaimer: I'd feel a bit better about it had my 2014 4K TV been compatible with either WCG or HDR content but to miss out on both and pay through the nose for a player and software just to get an SDR .709 mixdown - and potentially have to jump through those authentication hoops on top - has made me feel a lot more "meh" towards the whole thing.

PS
No luck needed, the points will be yours just like they always are.

A small consolation for you?, unless you’re exclusively a movie watcher. For the public-at-large ( http://hdguru.com/hdr-still-not-happening-at-retail/ ) HDR won’t really take-off until we get live broadcast. And for that, all eyes (including those of the UHD Alliance) are here

So, when that does come to fruition and the content creators start pumping out a lot of non-cinematic HDR content (football, rugby, etc.), you’ll probably be about ready for a another TV anyway.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

I think we mentioned before about whether the studio should scale them to 4K or release them in 2K.

We did, in regards to Deluxe - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post11066214

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Wouldn't it make EVERYTHING easier if they released in 2K with all the other benefits intact?

Well, 1080p to be precise, but yes.

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Then have the player or the display scale to 4K....

Downside to 4K tv owners, is that the consumer would be at the mercy of the quality of the consumer devices’ upconvert processing, which, for another thing, would be using a comparatively inferior source to do the uprez than that with which the post house has access to but, on the other hand, you’re proposal is pragmatic and practical.

With non-physical media home delivery, content creators are already making the differentiation in the labeling of their products…..
“4K Ultra HD”….. https://help.mgo.com/hc/en-us/sectio...-HD-Streaming-

“Ultra HD”….. https://help.mgo.com/hc/en-us/sectio...a-HD-Download-

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

In a recently posted video discussing HDR, Stacy Spears said, initially, many more BD HDRs will be released than UHD BR. A new UHD BR player will be required to play them.

? this one
Or another which I may have missed? As I’m told Spectracal seems to be putting out a new video every couple weeks or so.....can't keep up.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

? this one
Or another which I may have missed? As I’m told Spectracal seems to be putting out a new video every couple weeks or so.....can't keep up.

Yes. The Home Theater Geeks video. However, there is a caveat raised by Hanno Basse regarding the conversion of catalog titles with grain. A video of the NAB panel was posted earlier.

"Looking beyond new movies, TV shows, and other sources of native HDR content, conversion of catalog content is underway at many studios. It is being done judiciously, since some older catalogs are not well served by the conversion"

http://www.etcentric.org/nab-2015-in...r-color-gamut/

[raygendreau]

Regarding the BDA White Papers: See Fig 2.1 Not only export to HDD and flash drive, but also via network to mobile devices.

See CMP Export Specs: http://www.blu-raydisc.com/en/Techni...ers/BDROM.aspx

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Regarding the BDA White Papers: See Fig 2.1 Not only export to HDD and flash drive, but also via network to mobile devices.

See CMP Export Specs: http://www.blu-raydisc.com/en/Techni...ers/BDROM.aspx

it says mobile and network transfer is "Out-of-Scope for CMP Export specs", can someone explain this because I take it to mean the feature is not possible under this specification.

[bailey1987]

It looks like it's going to be a mess of proprietary formats

from the white paper:

There can be more than one CMP Export Service

So expect things like Disney Key Chest and Ultra Violet

[nec1912]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Actually studios have stockpiles of 4K content , it's just a matter of whether people will be interested in it. Some films you would not think would be granted a 4K transfer. In my collection I can see at least one that has a 4K transfer knocking around it's called Graduation Day released by 88 films, it's a Troma film and we all know there an acquired taste.

Is there a list of some upcoming movies that to be released? Anyone know when star wars is going to be released or the matrix.

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by nec1912

Is there a list of some upcoming movies that to be released? Anyone know when star wars is going to be released or the matrix.

Ha I bet we will be waiting years for Star Wars to come out. I'd love it in the first year but I don't see it happening for a long time.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by nec1912

Is there a list of some upcoming movies that to be released? Anyone know when star wars is going to be released or the matrix.

I can only piece together a list of films that I know have transfers. Reading through reviews on this site you will see when something has been mastered in 4K or grater resolution, sadly this is the only way I can compile a list, also I'm a bit of a niche I like a horror, a such I know that Madman has a 4K print somewhere, Arrow films created it for their upcoming release of Madman on Blu-ray.

There's also all the films on the "mastered in 4K" line that Sony released and the ones currently available on Sony's and Samsung's propriety download services.

There's a bit of a list here http://4k.com/movies/

Reading through the 4K thread in this forum should shed some light as well.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

Ha I bet we will be waiting years for Star Wars to come out. I'd love it in the first year but I don't see it happening for a long time.

From what I have read both Indiana Jones and Star Wars only ever get released on a new format when it plateaus.

[bailey1987]

There's a list of 4K releases here:

http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/products/d...movie-releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Yes. The Home Theater Geeks video. However, there is a caveat raised by Hanno Basse regarding the conversion of catalog titles with grain. A video of the NAB panel was posted earlier.

"Looking beyond new movies, TV shows, and other sources of native HDR content, conversion of catalog content is underway at many studios. It is being done judiciously, since some older catalogs are not well served by the conversion" http://www.etcentric.org/nab-2015-in...r-color-gamut/

Fully realized and discussed over a month prior to NAB 2015

Where’s Mike? He was a good spring board too.

Also, quite familiar with that panel, but for the enlightenment/education of those readers who aren’t/weren’t, see the video clip and complementary post……
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...b#post10855136 as I detailed a bit more regarding factors/considerations which weren’t specially addressed in that super session.

Ray, in case you or your family/friends are interested, just up a piece from you in Anaheim at D23 (https://d23.com/) there’s still stuff going on tomorrow …..
https://d23.com/d23-expo/d23-expo-20...day-august-14/

[bailey1987]

I wonder if anyone will release a PC drive before Christmas? I would love a Ultra HD Blu-Ray Disc Drive this side of Christmas 2015. It doesn't have to be a RW just a ROM will do, if it can play Ultra HD Blu-Ray movies then thats fine and it's all it has to do, just don't go charging Re Writer prices for one.

Can anybody remember how long after launch Blu-Ray disc drives came along? how much were they?

Failing that a portable Ultra HD Blu-Ray player would be fantastic but Blu-Ray it's self can barely manage that, also of all the portable players that exist not only do they cost a fortune but they lack 1080p screens, in some cases it is cheaper to buy a laptop with a Blu-Ray reader built in which is what I ended up doing, it cost about £699 technically it was a desktop replacement laptop, far too big for a laptop and its like a breeze block sat on your lap and to say it runs hot is beyond a joke, needless to say it's knackered now, it over heats and switches itself off.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

There's a list of 4K releases here:

Several of those titles are available for purchase on the Sony FMP-X10 via SEN. I have previewed several of them and see no reason to repurchase any of them because they had negligible visual benefits over the BD as viewed on a Sony VW600 with a 133" scope screen. It seems most FMP-X10 owners over at AVS agree most titles are not worth the premium price.

Some of the freebee shorts and some of the UHD stuff on YouTube actually shows more detail than the movies do.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Several of those titles are available for purchase on the Sony FMP-X10 via SEN. I have previewed several of them and see no reason to repurchase any of them because they had negligible visual benefits over the BD as viewed on a Sony VW600 with a 133" scope screen. It seems most FMP-X10 owners over at AVS agree most titles are not worth the premium price.

Some of the freebee shorts and some of the UHD stuff on YouTube actually shows more detail than the movies do.

I think most things that were shot on 35MM will be only marginally better, unless they were shot using especially low ISO film and either DI'd in 4K or color timed photochemically.

What we NEED is 4K versions of 70mm movies and new movies shot with 4K digital cameras.

Most, if not all, of the stuff you're seeing in the freebee shorts and UDH youtube stuff was shot with 4K digital cameras.

[Geoff D]

Agreed, unless the 35mm was shot as thick as a phonebook then it won't look dazzlingly different between a well mastered (i.e. from 4K scans) Blu-ray and the UHD version, although the wider gamut and higher bit depth of UHD may well count for something on top of the increase in spatial resolution.

[danilo]

The problem is that 35mm film has 4k at best. I mean the original negative: interpositive or internegative have around 3 or 3,5K. This is the reason why the most part of Blu-ray disc don't look very well. In Hollywood only a very few movie today has the original old negative. In short ONLY VERY VERY FEW movies from the past can have a real vantage in 4K (I think non more of 10%). In the present days too many movies are made in 2K or in 4K but edit in 2K.
At the end, I really think that the 4k Blu-ray will be probably a fiasco. In my opinion could be better to works to have more quality in normal Blu-ray.