4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[Geoff D]

Seeing how Sony appear to be embracing region locking on their newest catalogue BDs while others no longer want it (or, more to the point, haven't enforced it for a long time, e.g. Warners) I can't imagine they're too happy with that news.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Seeing how Sony appear to be embracing region locking on their newest catalogue BDs while others no longer want it (or, more to the point, haven't enforced it for a long time, e.g. Warners) I can't imagine they're too happy with that news.

I am not sure what they are doing, they are the only studio ready to go really

[Derb]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I guess the BDA Promotions Chairman had it wrong about region coding: https://www.avforums.com/article/the...-blu-ray.11917

Actually that "is" region coding.

Same as BD. Some are locked A or B or All.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Derb

Actually that "is" region coding.

Same as BD. Some are locked A or B or All.

Um, no. What I meant was that HDD are saying that UHD BD will be region free as an actual tech spec whereas the BDA bod says that the region system will remain in place and - as now - it's up the studios to implement it. One is not the same as the other, [edit] otherwise why would some studios lobby for it to be dropped (as per ray's post above) if they could just simply encode all their discs as ABC? The point is that some of them don't want it on there even as an option.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I am not sure what they are doing, they are the only studio ready to go really

And yet they're still keeping so incredibly quiet about UHD BD. They're one of the three companies who applied for the machine patents, the other two have revealed various UHD BD prototypes and whatnot but, seriously, where the **** is Sony? And to go back to the region coding question, perhaps Sony's locking of Dracula (and also TFE and Leon in all probability) is a little bit of a sly FU to the other studios who are pushing for region coding to be dropped completely?

[bobbydrugar]

They are really making it hard to like this format. What the F*** are they thinking this will be like a surprise party, wait till the damn things hit the shelves have consumers explode over ridiculous policies and gleefully yell surprise. Have they all agreed to not say anything. Does the left hand not know what the right hand is doing. All of these exciting questions and more will be answered On F'n blog's and enthusiasts boards hours and days after they sucker in the early adopters who then realize WTF Just happened.

This is turning into a mess.
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[jono3000]

A few bits
http://www.twice.com/blog/open-circu...y-launch/58858

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

And yet they're still keeping so incredibly quiet about UHD BD. They're one of the three companies who applied for the machine patents, the other two have revealed various UHD BD prototypes and whatnot but, seriously, where the **** is Sony? And to go back to the region coding question, perhaps Sony's locking of Dracula (and also TFE and Leon in all probability) is a little bit of a sly FU to the other studios who are pushing for region coding to be dropped completely?

Sony's absence is concerning at best, I wonder if Betamax has anything to do with it? Could Sony be so hell bent over the first format war that after winning the second they leave them all with a dead duck.

As for region coding I personally think each country should have their own, it would just be the letters of the country, those that are really bothered could just buy a region free player but I am sick to death of being told not to pirate in ever langue known plus a few that I am pretty much convinced are a load of cobblers!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by jono3000

A few bits
http://www.twice.com/blog/open-circu...y-launch/58858

“One studio has already released a theatrical movie with 2020 gamut”

to be precise, near-full 2020 gamut but most significantly, expert viewers have expressed the sentiment that the 2020 SDR version exhibited at IBC2015 is far inferior to the 2020 HDR version exhibited in dolby vision theaters in terms of image colorfulness.

why?....in essence, think of the concept like this – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post11011071

[Dex Robinson]

Originally Posted by jono3000

A few bits
http://www.twice.com/blog/open-circu...y-launch/58858

"The BDA expects announcements of disc titles at CES."

Ah...yeah. Thanks BDA for answering that question.

"Separately, the Ultra HD Blu-ray standard does not require a player to be connected to the Internet to get authorization to play a disc. Studios, however, have the option to remotely store encryption keys, thus requiring an Internet connection."

The BDA doesn't "require" an internet connection...so don't blame them if the studio selling the disc requires it.

Call me an optimist but I'm pretty sure that, by 2017, we will all have a good understanding of how UHD BD is going to develop.

[bobbydrugar]

By 2017 they will be selling us into Ultra Ultra HD 8k displays and no media to support it. Just you wait and see.

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[hajiketobu]

Online key delivery is a joke. Every major software distributor has online key activation, yet all of them are cracked day one. There is no such thing as copy protection.

[hajiketobu]

Originally Posted by bobbydrugar

By 2017 they will be selling us into Ultra Ultra HD 8k displays and no media to support it. Just you wait and see.

T

Why? Digital 8K cameras already exist. David Finder shot in 6K and mastered in 5K. He surely will shoot his next movie in 8K. All the analogue IMAX and 70mm movies are our 8K library. Or doesn't UHD-BD support 8K? Is that what you are saying?

[Dex Robinson]

Originally Posted by hajiketobu

Why? Digital 8K cameras already exist. David Finder shot in 6K and mastered in 5K. He surely will shoot his next movie in 8K. All the analogue IMAX and 70mm movies are our 8K library. Or doesn't UHD-BD support 8K? Is that what you are saying?

Uh...he was making a joke.

[m3racer123]

Originally Posted by hajiketobu

Why? Digital 8K cameras already exist. David Finder shot in 6K and mastered in 5K. He surely will shoot his next movie in 8K. All the analogue IMAX and 70mm movies are our 8K library. Or doesn't UHD-BD support 8K? Is that what you are saying?

Well if you add up all the 70mm, IMAX and David Fincher films, that makes up around 0.01% of films ever made! Plus, even for films that use 8K digital cameras, almost none of them have been mastered in 8K.

[hajiketobu]

Yeah that is the state of now, sadly, but this is about the future. Movies will move away from 2K masters as technology catches up, except some low budget and indie productions.

It's a shame that 2K masters are still produced to this day. It's like they honestly don't care and don't bother to change or future proof their movies to at least 4K. It's all about making fast cash. But if there is not enough money in the budget to start with, of course they are not to blame. For 8K, the technology to store and edit such large amount of data is still state of the art, but we are getting there close. I think it will be possible very soon. It is already posssible, but not feasible/practicle.

[kristoffer]

Originally Posted by jono3000

A few bits
http://www.twice.com/blog/open-circu...y-launch/58858

"Consumers, however, won’t be able to transfer a copy from their player’s hard drive directly to a portable device. Instead, consumers will engage with third-party services, as they do now for UltraViolet copies of 2D Blu-ray discs. Only the movie itself, soundtracks, and subtitles will appear in the copy."

This is disappointing.

[jono3000]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

"Consumers, however, won’t be able to transfer a copy from their player’s hard drive directly to a portable device. Instead, consumers will engage with third-party services, as they do now for UltraViolet copies of 2D Blu-ray discs. Only the movie itself, soundtracks, and subtitles will appear in the copy."

This is disappointing.

Sounds realistic to me. To be able to do that would require players to have drivers/compatability with each 'portable device'. Imagine the problems if your player couldn't detect or work with whatever random device you plugged in.
Leave that to Windows.

[ouflak]

Originally Posted by KRW1

Anyone browsing for a new TV is getting it rammed down their throats at the moment and people were gawping at the sets on display in Currys last weekend when I went past.

Originally Posted by Mavrick

Yeah, even Supermarkets are selling 4K sets in store.

Which is fine as long as all of the people who have relatively recently bought HD sets are ready to go out and replace that now-defunct set with a 4K TV. But I think most of those HD TVs are still functioning just fine. No reason to change.

Originally Posted by Mavrick

You know when supermarkets get in on the game then it's about to get real.

I'll know it's about to get 'real' when the masses start replacing their old broken down HD TVs for 4K TVs. This wasn't so hard a decision with CRT. Less real-estate taken up, easier to move around, and the old CRT has died anyway so time for a new TV. Otherwise, 'Joe Public', isn't going buy no matter how much it's rammed down their throats. There's simply no reason to pull that trigger. They will buy in response to need (and that will always be very price sensitive). That's it.

If 4K streaming takes off, then I can see that generating some decent sales among enthusiasts though.

[Dex Robinson]

At the risk of repeating myself (which I admit to doing habitually), the link between 4K TV sales and 4K UHD BD sales will prove to be non-existent.

Virtually everybody has an HDTV. Most people have had an HDTV since BD was introduced. That fact had little effect on disc media sales. An overwhelming majority of people bought HDTVs and and overwhelming majority of people buy standard definition DVDs.

Why in the world do some people continue to think that the introduction of 4K TVs will have any measurable effect on media sales? We have a decade of evidence to the contrary. I can buy an HDTV at the drugstore...it's not helping BD sales.

If UHD BD is ever really introduced, it will absolutely be something that enjoys a market share in the very low single digits.