4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[uk _steel]

So is it safe to say blu ray will be the standard of mo ie format for the next 20 years .would 4 k ever fully replace blu rays 1080

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by geoffc

If we do get 4K Blu this time next year what do any of you think the support for the format from the studios will be like?

Maybe a couple of them sitting on the fence a while?

I personally think it will be flogged more like a special feature. In other words we will rarely see a standalone release with just a 4K disk in its own distinctive packaging it will be bundled with a blu-ray in Blu-ray's packaging. As for studios I think they will all support unless there is a format war.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

While it's good to see AVF's apparent longing for 4K Blu-ray, only a few months ago I was told by one of the site's head honchos that his "industry contacts" had told him that 4K Blu-ray wasn't gonna happen. They've certainly changed their tune, lemme tell ya!

Well, in that case, if they don’t read Blu-ray.com, or else read it, but don’t acknowledge the accuracy of the detailed information posted here by knowledgeable membership since 2008 and earlier, I just don’t know what to tell you.

[Trigen]

Originally Posted by uk _steel

So is it safe to say blu ray will be the standard of mo ie format for the next 20 years .would 4 k ever fully replace blu rays 1080

When 6k or 8k arrives, it will. But you should be good for another 7-8years, or until TV channels deem it feasible to move from 2k to 4k.

I would presume 4k movies will be released later compared to 2k movies in order to give theaters an incentive.

To those with 4k tv's, does the automatic scaling of 2k to 4k generate any artifacts in movies or TV programs.

[keb33509]

Originally Posted by Trigen

To those with 4k tv's, does the automatic scaling of 2k to 4k generate any artifacts?

I haven't noticed any.

[Trigen]

Originally Posted by keb33509

I haven't noticed any.

Thank you. That should cut down the number of blu rays I plan to replace with 4k then.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Trigen

When 6k or 8k arrives, it will. But you should be good for another 7-8years, or until TV channels deem it feasible to move from 2k to 4k.

I would presume 4k movies will be released later compared to 2k movies in order to give theaters an incentive.

To those with 4k tv's, does the automatic scaling of 2k to 4k generate any artifacts in movies or TV programs.

1920x1080 to 3840x2160 is directly proportional, on my Sony 4K set it's as seamless an upscale as I've ever seen and DVDs look terrific too. (Although I still think that's partly more to do with having a properly calibrated picture than x amount of pixels.)

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

I personally think it will be flogged more like a special feature. In other words we will rarely see a standalone release with just a 4K disk in its own distinctive packaging it will be bundled with a blu-ray in Blu-ray's packaging. As for studios I think they will all support unless there is a format war.

The only thing i fear is that if you want to see the uncut version of the film then buy the 4k disk that way they make more money .

[AK65]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

The only thing i fear is that if you want to see the uncut version of the film then buy the 4k disk that way they make more money .

That's a good thing. I want people to be nudged away from DVDs ASAP.

[Trekkie313]

Originally Posted by AK65

That's a good thing. I want people to be nudged away from DVDs ASAP.

What's your problem? There are literally thousands of movies that will likely never see a proper UHD or HD release and the only way to seem them on home video is very cheap DVDs.

DVDs will become the next VHS in terms of "niche" releases as technology marches on.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

What's your problem? There are literally thousands of movies that will likely never see a proper UHD or HD release and the only way to seem them on home video is very cheap DVDs.

DVDs will become the next VHS in terms of "niche" releases as technology marches on.

In this case you can still play those "niche" discs on current and future 4K disc players. VHS...fuggetaboutit.

[hajiketobu]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

What's your problem? There are literally thousands of movies that will likely never see a proper UHD or HD release and the only way to seem them on home video is very cheap DVDs.

i call bs. the dvd needs to go.
sd material should be released on blu-rays too. no more wrong frame rates with speed up/down, no more interlaced shit. uncompressed source, no wack-a** 9mbps mpeg2 transfer.

i still have a few films only avaible on dvd and i hate the fact that it's on dvd because it's such a bad format. i would be happy if they just released those old dvd masters on blu-ray uncompressed and without interlacing and wrong framerate.

oh and pls movie studios stop that dnr processing and sharpering bs on old transfers, i like grain.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

What's your problem? There are literally thousands of movies that will likely never see a proper UHD or HD release and the only way to seem them on home video is very cheap DVDs.

The movies that are currently available on DVD will continue to be available. Even if they go out of print, it won't be hard to get them. But if more people switched over to Blu-ray then there wouldn't continue to be so many releases that only come out on DVD.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Good to see momentum gaining for 4K Blu-ray from across the Atlantic too… https://www.avforums.com/article/ces-2015-preview.10929

Just thought I'd let you know that the assistant editor of AVF has now said that (in his opinion) we'll get 4K BD hardware alright, but no discs to actually play on it. Go figure.

[Dylan34]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Just thought I'd let you know that the assistant editor of AVF has now said that (in his opinion) we'll get 4K BD hardware alright, but no discs to actually play on it. Go figure.

Seriously? What's the reasoning behind this? Why even bother putting out a native 4k player then. Hell, why even bother putting out 4k displays period? So we can all watch crappy 4k Netflix or Youtube!!! This is getting to be ridiculous!

[RedIsNotBlue]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

The movies that are currently available on DVD will continue to be available. Even if they go out of print, it won't be hard to get them. But if more people switched over to Blu-ray then there wouldn't continue to be so many releases that only come out on DVD.

I think DVD's will be sticking around for a while. Even if they do eventually get phased out of being released on their own I think they will still be included in combo packs.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Just thought I'd let you know that the assistant editor of AVF has now said that (in his opinion) we'll get 4K BD hardware alright, but no discs to actually play on it. Go figure.

Well we barely even got any content when Blu-ray was actually launched in 2006. 50 First Dates, The Fifth Element, Hitch, House of Flying Daggers, Underworld: Evolution, xXx (all Sony), and MGM's The Terminator were the first wave of movies and they all used MPEG-2. The Fifth Element was pretty quickly discontinued and remastered considering how terrible it looked. So you could argue that even with the first Blu-ray player on the market there was barely even any content at first considering most of the Blu-ray discs were DVD 1.5. I think it took them a good while for them to actually get a good selection of worthwhile Blu-ray discs on the market to choose from. The first few months of Blu-ray discs were a little rough...let's be honest.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

I think DVD's will be sticking around for a while. Even if they do eventually get phased out of being released on their own I think they will still be included in combo packs.

I'd have no problem with that. If everything was only available as a combo pack then everything would be available on Blu-ray. As it stands now most people will still choose DVD over Blu-ray especially for everything but major blockbusters. This has caused various types of content to not be released on Blu-ray.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Just thought I'd let you know that the assistant editor of AVF has now said that (in his opinion) we'll get 4K BD hardware alright, but no discs to actually play on it. Go figure.

No discs? What can I say about judgment? Back in the day, when four of their ‘expert’ viewers were shown a side-by-side demo of the D5 master vs the Blu-ray of Click, at least one of them thought the Blu-ray was the master.

Overall though, I think I find them a bit more astute than CNET whose held the longtime editorial position (with their layman’s understanding of vision science and the business) that “4K TVs are stupid” to “Why 4K TVs are still stupid” to finally another editor publishing a piece just a few days ago with the prediction that…“ in 2015, 4K TV will replace 1080p TVs as our top recommendations at CNET”. < Their timeline may or may not be accurate (if one takes into account things like their poor gamma calibration of the Vizio 4K tvs which they tested, either due to lack of understanding of the TV itself or time constraints imposed by getting a review out ASAP) but, I think it’s a long delayed watershed change in CNET’s thought processes regarding 4K TVs.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

No discs? What can I say about judgment? Back in the day, when four of their ‘expert’ viewers were shown a side-by-side demo of the D5 master vs the Blu-ray of Click, at least one of them thought the Blu-ray was the master.

Overall though, I think I find them a bit more astute than CNET whose held the longtime editorial position (with their layman’s understanding of vision science and the business) that “4K TVs are stupid” to “Why 4K TVs are still stupid” to finally another editor publishing a piece just a few days ago with the prediction that…“ in 2015, 4K TV will replace 1080p TVs as our top recommendations at CNET”. < Their timeline may or may not be accurate (if one takes into account things like their poor gamma calibration of the Vizio 4K tvs which they tested, either due to lack of understanding of the TV itself or time constraints imposed by getting a review out ASAP) but, I think it’s a long delayed watershed change in CNET’s thought processes regarding 4K TVs.

They're a good bunch of guys but, like CNET, they've been drinking the plasma Kool-aid for far too long and have been very dismissive of 4K in general. It's gotten better, but now it seems that the flavour's changed from plasma to OLED, i.e. they still managed to work in a spot for the 930 LG OLED when reviewing Panasonic's latest 4K set.

That's what slayed me about that AVF CES article and their apparent jonesing for 4K BD players having "repeatedly" told us that we would see them at CES 2015, when in actually their editorial staff really couldn't give a shit about 4K BD. It's all just click bits at this point as the various naysaying websites and media commentators grit their teeth and realise that - amazingly enough - this 4K malarkey might just be catching on!

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

Well we barely even got any content when Blu-ray was actually launched in 2006. 50 First Dates, The Fifth Element, Hitch, House of Flying Daggers, Underworld: Evolution, xXx (all Sony), and MGM's The Terminator were the first wave of movies and they all used MPEG-2. The Fifth Element was pretty quickly discontinued and remastered considering how terrible it looked. So you could argue that even with the first Blu-ray player on the market there was barely even any content at first considering most of the Blu-ray discs were DVD 1.5. I think it took them a good while for them to actually get a good selection of worthwhile Blu-ray discs on the market to choose from. The first few months of Blu-ray discs were a little rough...let's be honest.

He means no content period. As in nothing, or at least nothing worthwhile before 4K BD dies a slow and agonising death because of streaming and downloads.

Personally I think what happened with DVD and then Blu-ray (old masters being repurposed for the new format, poor encodes etc) won't happen with 4K BD simply because they won't be able to cheat their way out of it; this shit will have to be genuine 4K right out of the gate - not 2K upscales or 4K 'conversions', that comes later - if 4K BD is to make an impact.

And with the modern predisposition towards 2K finishes, the studios (apart from Sony) will need to look back at their biggest catalogue titles and franchises which were finished on film to make those all-important early headlines. I'd kill for a 4K release of the Indy trilogy, BTTF, the Alien movies, the original versions of the Star Wars movies, Titanic, the Reeve Superman movies, all of Chris Nolan's work with Warners, Kubrick's back catalogue etc.