4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[KRW1]

I'm just getting the first, cheapest player Oppo do. I went through lots of players this time around but have found my humble BDP80 more than adequate and wont be replacing it, so, lesson learned, first cheapest player will probably last me years. (It helps not being bothered about analogue inputs, 3D or networking)

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Life is full of compromises….we all still live under the murky shadow of LCD, meaning, see 3rd paragraph in a discussion from 11 months ago....quoting...

“You see, because the vast, vast majority of consumers watch content on LCD tvs, high end facilities that use professional OLED monitors for mastering material, have the colorist use a LUT to purposely limit the contrast (to around 1500:1) in order that he doesn’t crush the detail in the grade. So, in other words, even though content is being mastered on OLED professional monitors in some facilities, consumer OLED owners are not getting the full potential of what the OLED grading could be, due to the fact that LCDs rule in consumers’ homes”…..https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ck#post9103476

The ^ concept of which (the LCD universe holding back the full potential of OLED display technology) is briefly mentioned at ~ the 41min. mark during the OLED portion of this Reference Monitor podcast about LCDs, OLEDs, bits and such, which was published just yesterday online….http://www.tacolour.com <-although related to the questioner in terms of trying to match with a client LCD in the grading suite, which, as an aside, can also prove challenging for other more complex reasons as well ,

the paramount issue is not so much that we don’t have large professional OLEDs in mastering suites right now,….. but that we live in a consumer LCD universe for which adjustments/compromises in the grading/mastering suites for home deliverables must be made, one way or another (e.g. manually raising up the blacks to 0.05nits as previously explained several pages ago).

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Here's something: http://www.consumerelectronicsnet.co...System-3807050

Varg, you around? Any bets as to what will be the first encodings of HEVC content they’ll be working with? MainConcept? X265?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Interconnector's.........? I know, I know apparently HDMI 2.0 will be enough although I really have my reservations with it.

Hardware is fine.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Makes one wonder what Sony will do with Blu-print. A search of Blu-print and UHD/4K turns up nothing. Will have to ask the P man if he has heard anything.

I Know Nothing - YouTube

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by KRW1

I'm just getting the first, cheapest player Oppo do. I went through lots of players this time around but have found my humble BDP80 more than adequate and wont be replacing it, so, lesson learned, first cheapest player will probably last me years. (It helps not being bothered about analogue inputs, 3D or networking)

there is hilarious irony in referring to an Oppo BDP80 as "humble" and "adequate"

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by spectre08

maybe, but I would be surprised. The tech jump from current 4K up-scaling BD players to UHD BD players isn't nearly what the jump from DVD to BD was.

The first player will probably be a Panasonic, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it at $500.

Sony might also surprise us and get one to market quickly as well, since they seem to be going full tilt toward 4K more than any other company.

Panny's CES 'prototype' looked suspiciously like their current BDT700 high-end deck, which already has about as much tech a 4K player would need shy of the HEVC decoder and commands a $400/$500 price tag. Factor in the proper UHD silicon and I think they'll be >$500 to begin with unless someone comes up with a cheapy slimline deck right off the bat.

As for Sony, they're going full tilt for 4K, absolutely. UHD BD....not so much. So many people eulogise about BD being their baby but Sony have been disappointed with physical media for a while now, and Panasonic have been just as involved with BD behind the scenes, perhaps even more so in recent years (like with MGVC encoding in Japan). And it certainly seems to be Panasonic who are in the driving seat with UHD BD too...

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Players........ready!
Projectors......ready!

Gladiators......ready!

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Gladiators......ready!

We who are about to waste our life's savings salute you!

[vargo]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Varg, you around? Any bets as to what will be the first encodings of HEVC content they’ll be working with? MainConcept? X265?

I don't know anything about Jargon so I wouldn't like to bet on it.

What I will say is that the development of x265 currently seems to be heavily biased towards lower bitrate (and lower quality) purposes. Like the 10-15Mbps range for 4K.

I don't think they have done much tuning or development in the area of preserving amazing quality at super high bitrates. The quality you would expect from UHD Bluray. Which suggests to me their clients are not asking for it yet.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by spectre08

there is hilarious irony in referring to an Oppo BDP80 as "humble" and "adequate"

It bloody is! It was second hand so cheap, doesn't do 3D, has no proper network features, has no quality audio outs, only HDMI, the handset only glows in the dark there's no backlight, and is slow. The DVD playback is bad too. Humble, but adequate well, more than adequate.

I love it to death, though, the quirky odd thing. It's never once let me down.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by vargo

I don't know anything about Jargon so I wouldn't like to bet on it.

What I will say is that the development of x265 currently seems to be heavily biased towards lower bitrate (and lower quality) purposes. Like the 10-15Mbps range for 4K.

I don't think they have done much tuning or development in the area of preserving amazing quality at super high bitrates. The quality you would expect from UHD Bluray. Which suggests to me their clients are not asking for it yet.

That's not really a surprise though, given how 4K streaming services have proliferated over the last year / 18 months. Hopefully they'll be answering the call for higher bit rate tuning soon enough...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Gladiators......ready!

back from our morning ride. Now kicking up to watch Newcastle v. Arsenal.

[Geoff D]

[Show spoiler]Thanks for beating the Geordies, we've leapfrogged them into 11th place after a terrific away win against Stoke. It's always nice to beat Mark Hughes, the moany ****.

[GenPion]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's not really a surprise though, given how 4K streaming services have proliferated over the last year / 18 months. Hopefully they'll be answering the call for higher bit rate tuning soon enough...

The PR material from the BDA already suggested ALL 4K discs will be around 50mbps range for movies. Of course it isn't as high for streaming/download services... that's no different than how it is with 1080p HD. It will improve and be better when actual home media is available.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by GenPion

The PR material from the BDA already suggested ALL 4K discs will be around 50mbps range for movies. Of course it isn't as high for streaming/download services... that's no different than how it is with 1080p HD. It will improve and be better when actual home media is available.

this makes sense, since 4K movies occupy about twice as much space as 1080p movies despite being 4x the resolution.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by spectre08

this makes sense, since 4K movies occupy about twice as much space as 1080p movies despite being 4x the resolution.

And yet the reason most of these UHD demos at the stores look so f--king good is because the bitrates are amped and there is very little in the way of pre-filtering.

They're going to have to do better than a 50 Mbps average, even with HEVC.

[GenPion]

Films look stellar on Blu-ray when they have a 30mbps or higher bit-rate. The BEST top of the line discs are in the 35-40 mbps ballpark. Why wouldn't 50mbps be good enough? I know color depth is greater, but the encoding methods are different too. I at least hope that it would be sufficient. I don't understand why it wouldn't be (as some are suggesting).

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

And yet the reason most of these UHD demos at the stores look so f--king good is because the bitrates are amped and there is very little in the way of pre-filtering.

They're going to have to do better than a 50 Mbps average, even with HEVC.

The Astra UHD demo channel is at 18 Mb/s 10-bit 2160p50 HEVC and it looks crazy good. Admittedly it's all bright, sharp, colourful content that doesn't move around at any great speed (though it DOES move ) but it's a stunning indication of what HEVC can do on a shoestring, never mind 50+ Mb/s for 24p UHD disc-based content.

I think folks don't realise just how incredibly efficient HEVC actually is, and it's only going to get better from here as the encoding matures over time.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

And yet the reason most of these UHD demos at the stores look so f--king good is because the bitrates are amped and there is very little in the way of pre-filtering.

They're going to have to do better than a 50 Mbps average, even with HEVC.

actually that's not entirely true.

See the specs for the two LG 4K demo loops, one is barely 16Mbps, the other is just over 20Mbps