Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[The Great Owl]

Big question for y'all...

After a few days of indecision and research, I finally decided to order Rapture and The Big Heat.

After realizing that the orders cost exactly the same whether ordering directly from Screen Archives Entertainment or ordering from SAE as a third-party through Amazon.com ($34 apiece either way after shipping and such), I decided to order from Amazon, since my card is already set up in their system and it's a painless way of ordering.

Has anyone ordered from Screen Archives through the Amazon system before and, if so, was there any difficulty in the process?


I wonder if I ordered one of the last copies of The Big Heat. Surprised that this movie is still available. Looking forward to it, because I'm a big Lee Marvin fan.

[Arkadin]

well I for one definitely think new catalog blu-rays will be coming out in 3 years.
I mean that's not that far off.
now 8 years from now could be a different story, but imo the studios certainly want physical media and streaming to co-exist, and are have barely touched their catalogs at present as far as bd releases.
dvds are still coming out, and hopefully we are just STARTING with catalog blu-ray releases.

[bluknight1]

Originally Posted by Arkadin

just to show how strange the Fox distribution has gotten In Old Arizona has just been announced for a wide release in June.
I mean, it's a cool choice, but just thinking that a film like Leave Her To Heaven is going to be limited to 3000 while In Old Arizona is getting a wide release uhh.........wow.

WHAT...THE....
WHY??!!
Why do they hand off The Song of Bernadette, Leave Her to Heaven, Journey to the Center of the Earth, and Demetrius and the Gladiators while actually wide releasing an early talkie with questionable sales potential outside of a Best Actor win. WTF, Fox? TT would have loved to have had that one.

[popeflick]

Originally Posted by Arkadin

well I for one definitely think new catalog blu-rays will be coming out in 3 years.
I mean that's not that far off.
now 8 years from now could be a different story, but imo the studios certainly want physical media and streaming to co-exist, and are have barely touched their catalogs at present as far as bd releases.
dvds are still coming out, and hopefully we are just STARTING with catalog blu-ray releases.

Blu ray catalog has been on the upswing for about 18 months, no doubt.

And yes conversion is going to take some time. I'm just saying that films like Swamp Water or Wayward Bus which won't sell out in their 3 year window will not get another release if TT still has stock. The sellouts? We'll see but I wouldn't bet on it.

Will they continue to release new catalog titles? Of course. I still get shocked whenever I see a wait at a frickin Red Box, and I know those people aren't pulling blus out of there by and large. So yeah there is a way to go towards conversion, but a lot of people are going from DVD to streaming during this period as well.

[PowellPressburger]

Rapture is a title I can see becoming very sought after once it sells out. I think others will agree the film is great, but it would be a title I could see FOX passing on a BLU re-issue once the distribution rights of 3 years is over.

[JoeDeM]

Originally Posted by Arkadin

god I would give anything if people would stop posting about the "cart game".

Whats worse, is when there's a popular title up for pre-order like Christine, you have a bunch of guys slowing things down by doing this.

[jah13]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

Rapture is a title I can see becoming very sought after once it sells out. I think others will agree the film is great, but it would be a title I could see SONY passing on a BLU re-issue once the distribution rights of 3 years is over.

RAPTURE is a Fox title. I'm doubtful there will be another physical media issue beyond TT's.

[Andrew Woo]

I just thought, John Frankenheimer's The Challenge would make a great TT title since Fox don't have the intention to release it anytime soon.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by jah13

RAPTURE is a Fox title. I'm doubtful there will be another physical media issue beyond TT's.

I guess it's a good thing that I just ordered it then.

I got the "Shipping Soon" notice for Rapture and The Big Heat, with an expected arrival date of April 4. I'm in no hurry, and I'll just be glad to get them when I get them.

[jah13]

Originally Posted by Andrew Woo

I just thought, John Frankenheimer's The Challenge would make a great TT title since Fox don't have the intention to release it anytime soon.

Fox does not control THE CHALLENGE, though I would LOVE a release from TT or someone else. It is a CBS Theatrical title. Those titles are now handled by Paramount on home video. THE CHALLENGE was released by CBS / Fox Video on VHS, Beta, and CED in the early '80s. You will notice many of those CBS titles (released back in the day by CBS / Fox and, later, Fox) are now on DVD by way of Paramount.

[Andrew Woo]

Originally Posted by jah13

Fox does not control THE CHALLENGE, though I would LOVE a release from TT or someone else. It is a CBS Theatrical title. Those titles are now handled by Paramount on home video. THE CHALLENGE was released by CBS / Fox Video on VHS, Beta, and CED in the early '80s. You will notice many of those CBS titles (released back in the day by CBS / Fox and, later, Fox) are now on DVD by way of Paramount.

Thank you for the explanation. It's a shame that nobody cares to release this film.

[bluknight1]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

Rapture is a title I can see becoming very sought after once it sells out. I think others will agree the film is great, but it would be a title I could see FOX passing on a BLU re-issue once the distribution rights of 3 years is over.

I absolutely agree. However, I do see some marketing potential for Journey to the Center of the Earth as part of the studio classics line in 2015. That is, if that line is still operating then. In any case, I'm not getting my hopes up: I'm just saying that a wider market does exist. Same case for the horror titles from TT that have sold out.

[BarnDoor]

I could see Warner Archive putting out The Challenge (on DVD only probably) if it was part of their Paramount catalogue acquisitions.

[popeflick]

Originally Posted by bluknight1

I absolutely agree. However, I do see some marketing potential for Journey to the Center of the Earth as part of the studio classics line in 2015. That is, if that line is still operating then. In any case, I'm not getting my hopes up: I'm just saying that a wider market does exist. Same case for the horror titles from TT that have sold out.

Mysterious Island is the film I tracked down where I learned of TT.

[jah13]

Originally Posted by BarnDoor

I could see Warner Archive putting out The Challenge (on DVD only probably) if it was part of their Paramount catalogue acquisitions.

The film is still owned by CBS. The CBS titles are released by Paramount, on behalf of CBS.

I don't believe the Warner / Paramount distribution deal will extend to the WA anyway--those are titles owned by WB outright (WB, RKO, AA, and [pre-1986] MGM). WB has signed on to distribute Paramount titles on (pressed) DVD and Blu-ray as far as I can see. They don't own and didn't acquire the Paramount catalogue outright.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by JoeDeM

Whats worse, is when there's a popular title up for pre-order like Christine, you have a bunch of guys slowing things down by doing this.

Explain how it slows things down? As it's been discussed ad nauseum SAE's stock count isn't reduced until an individual has completed the checkout process.

In terms of a few extra processes they're just a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things.

[Page14]

Originally Posted by popeflick

Mysterious Island is the film I tracked down where I learned of TT.

Ditto! And I'm hopeful that there will be more Harryhausen films in TT's future catalog.

[lcummins]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Explain how it slows things down? As it's been discussed ad nauseum SAE's stock count isn't reduced until an individual has completed the checkout process.

In terms of a few extra processes they're just a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things.

He means going to the site and putting things in the cart during heavy access times... too many people trying to get to the site is why it lags or crashes. It is the same concept as a denial-of-service attack. Once people have placed their order, they should refrain from going to the site too often until things slow down.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by lcummins

He means going to the site and putting things in the cart during heavy access times... too many people trying to get to the site is why it lags or crashes. It is the same concept as a denial-of-service attack. Once people have placed their order, they should refrain from going to the site too often until things slow down.

During the heavy access period, such as the first 30 minutes, I doubt anyone is trying to play the cart game. The surge of individuals trying to order at 4:00 PM and the constant refreshing would far outweigh any cart game activity.

After that subsides anyone checking the quantity remaining has a negligible effect.

[AgentOrange]

Originally Posted by popeflick

Blu ray catalog has been on the upswing for about 18 months, no doubt.

And yes conversion is going to take some time. I'm just saying that films like Swamp Water or Wayward Bus which won't sell out in their 3 year window will not get another release if TT still has stock. The sellouts? We'll see but I wouldn't bet on it.

Will they continue to release new catalog titles? Of course. I still get shocked whenever I see a wait at a frickin Red Box, and I know those people aren't pulling blus out of there by and large. So yeah there is a way to go towards conversion, but a lot of people are going from DVD to streaming during this period as well.

I feel almost certain that the fast sellouts will be released again. If not by Sony themselves, then they will be re-licensed by an outfit like Shout Factory or some random label. Hell even Twilight Time could re-release some them again themselves, put in a new order for 3000 units of Fright Night in a few years.

It's hard to believe that NOBODY would jump on that opportunity. I'm sure there will be some oddball film that despite selling out, for some reason or another never makes another appearance on home video. But I think a good chunk of them definitely will in some form or another (maybe as part of a cheap "double pack" or even a Mill Creek set). It may or may not have the same quality if they go that route, but at least it would be a non-limited blu-ray.

Now for the films that DON'T sell out quickly, my guess is they are pretty much toast as far as ever having another video release. That probably is stating the obvious.