Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[whitesheik]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

Well, then they've sold over 1200. 1773 is the number remaining when I checked.

Enemy Mine's not doing too badly either, selling over 500 today.

You people...

YOu still don't get it - it's not ACCURATE. TT doesn't press all the discs at one time, so the number you're seeing may represent 2000 discs not 3000, in which case your numbers would be - well - slightly off. Any way you look at it - not accurate and a game that is not only silly, but best not played at all. It's selling what it's selling. Why is it so important? If it's going to sell out you'll have PLENTY of notice when it gets to 500 remaining. That's the only numbers game that has any relevance.

[Yankees0222]

Originally Posted by whitesheik

You people...

YOu still don't get it - it's not ACCURATE. TT doesn't press all the discs at one time, so the number you're seeing may represent 2000 discs not 3000, in which case your numbers would be - well - slightly off. Any way you look at it - not accurate and a game that is not only silly, but best not played at all. It's selling what it's selling. Why is it so important? If it's going to sell out you'll have PLENTY of notice when it gets to 500 remaining. That's the only numbers game that has any relevance.

But the count started at 3000 so why wouldn't it be accurate? If it went from 3000 down to 1775, is that not 1275 copies sold? Not asking to be confrontational.... Just wondering

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

I know whitesheik has said that the "shopping cart game" is not accurate, but...it says that over 1000 of the NOTLD have already sold. Holy crap.

I don't blame anyone for being skeptical about the accuracy of SAE's cart count. Here is what it currently shows for all TT titles (including both Blu-rays and DVDs):

YOUR CART

3000 AS GOOD AS IT GETS (1997)

3000 BELL, BOOK AND CANDLE (1958)

3000 BIG HEAT (1953), THE

3000 BITE THE BULLET (1975)

3000 BYE BYE BIRDIE (1963)

3000 COVER GIRL (1944)

3000 DEMETRIUS AND THE GLADIATORS (1954)

3000 DESIREE (1954)

748 EGYPTIAN (1954), THE (Blu-ray)

3000 EGYPTIAN (1954), THE (DVD)

2456 ENEMY MINE (1985) (PRE-ORDER)

804 FATE IS THE HUNTER (1964)

896 FLIM-FLAM MAN (1967), THE

3000 HIGH TIME (1960)

3000 KREMLIN LETTER (DVD / 1970), THE

3000 LEFT HAND OF GOD (1955), THE

1836 MY COUSIN RACHEL (1952)

1759 NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD (1990) (PRE-ORDER)

3000 PAL JOEY (1957)

1927 PICNIC (1955)

3000 RAPTURE (1965)

2268 ROOTS OF HEAVEN (1958) , THE

3000 SOUND AND THE FURY (1959), THE

3000 STAGECOACH (1966)

3000 STEEL MAGNOLIAS (1989)

3000 SWAMP WATER (1941)

3000 THOSE MAGNIFICENT MEN IN THEIR FLYING MACHINES (1965)

2182 VIOLENT SATURDAY (DVD / 1955)

3000 WAYWARD BUS (1957), THE

3000 WOMAN OBSESSED (1959)

SUBTOTAL: $2,187,530.85
SHIPPING: $0.00 *
TOTAL: $2,187,530.85

Of the 30 TT titles currently listed on SAE, a whopping 21 of them still show no sales whatsoever. Only a mere 5 of TT's Blu-ray titles even deliver results when you game the cart this way.

So...not an especially "reliable" source for quantities remaining.

* Oh look, I'm getting a break on shipping!

[oildude]

Whitesheik, ol' buddy, you are a man standing on the seashore asking the waves to stop.

[themoviefanatic]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

I don't blame anyone for being skeptical about the accuracy of SAE's cart count. Here is what it currently shows for all TT titles (including both Blu-rays and DVDs):


Of the 30 titles TT currently listed on SAE, a whopping 21 of them still show no sales whatsoever. Only a mere 5 of TT's Blu-ray titles even deliver results when you game the cart this way.

So...not an especially reliable source for quantities remaining.

Their database isn't probably set up like that though. The QoH could be reflective of each titles attributes either internally displaying the QoH to restock and each title they enter may or may not have the corresponding attribute to display the total via user side and may be back end server side only.

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

I don't blame anyone for being skeptical about the accuracy of SAE's cart count. Here is what it currently shows for all TT titles (including both Blu-rays and DVDs):


Of the 30 titles TT currently listed on SAE, a whopping 21 of them still show no sales whatsoever. Only a mere 5 of TT's Blu-ray titles even deliver results when you game the cart this way.

So...not an especially reliable source for quantities remaining.

The count we are looking at for both NOTLD and Enemy Mine is very close if not prefectly accurate. Both counts started at 3,000 and decreased at a very fast rate intitally and gradually slower, and now even more so. They cannot accept more than 3,000 pre-orders and they have no idea how many pre-orders and at what rate they will be getting. Thus, start with the max 3,000 and reduce the quantities available as the pre-orders come in. That is the only way for them to do it.

Titles already released, they can pretty much estimate demand and can set the cart at 3,000 without any worries...apples to oranges. Whitesheik knows the TT owners, but I know numbers when I see them.

[devilnamedBuena]

Originally Posted by Frightener22

Since pre-orders go up tomorrow for "Enemy Mine" and "Night of the Living Dead", does anyone know how Twilight Time / Screen Archives operates via there Amazon storefront? Will those two titles go up on there storefront tomorrow as pre-orders as well? I'm curious because if you order directly through the Screen Archives website, you're charged immediately, correct? Whereas through Amazon, it won't charge until it ships. Thanks in advance guys!

They don't charge until they ship.

[Frightener22]

Originally Posted by devilnamedBuena

They don't charge until they ship.

Even from the Screen Archives site?

[NoirFan]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

Only a mere 5 of TT's Blu-ray titles even deliver results when you game the cart this way.

Although the numbers for all four other than NOTLD look just where one would reasonably expect them to be.

[SpartanIre]

Pre-ordered both NOTLD and EM...

[geomon]

Preordered both too.

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by SpartanIre

Pre-ordered both NOTLD and EM...

Originally Posted by geomon

Preordered both too.

I was hoping that EM would take a while to sell out (so I could buy it at a later time) but it appears to be selling very well. A smart move on TT's part to release NOTLD and EM at the same time. I am still debating whether to buy EM or not.

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

The count we are looking at for both NOTLD and Enemy Mine is very close if not prefectly accurate. Both counts started at 3,000 and decreased at a very fast rate intitally and gradually slower, and now even more so. They cannot accept more than 3,000 pre-orders and they have no idea how many pre-orders and at what rate they will be getting. Thus, start with the max 3,000 and reduce the quantities available as the pre-orders come in. That is the only way for them to do it.

Titles already released, they can pretty much estimate demand and can set the cart at 3,000 without any worries...apples to oranges. Whitesheik knows the TT owners, but I know numbers when I see them.

I would respectfully disagree Blu Titan. Although I don't work for TT, I have worked in IT for 35 years, specializing in customer databases and billing/support systems. It is a cornerstone of the discipline that when tracking any limited supply, you must know at all times exactly how many widgets are available for sale/disposition, including returns/replacements, and deplete your stock counts accordingly.

My abiding point in the previous post was precisely what I demonstrated via direct hands-on testing earlier this evening, mainly to satisfy my own curiosity...that those SAE cart totals are "inaccurate", and thus "unreliable". Whatever the client or server side reason for those inconsistent display results is kind of beside the point. It just doesn't work...at least not all, or even most of the time...although I am willing to concede that you might be 'ballpark' right about the NOTLD90 and Enemy Mine sales totals from today...heck, I might even more or less share that opinion.

Nevertheless, given the evidence of the site's behaviour, it's still, at best, merely a "guestimate".

[HyperRealist]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

I have worked in IT for 35 years, specializing in customer databases and billing/support systems.

Internet in 1977?

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by NoirFan

Although the numbers for all four other than NOTLD look just where one would reasonably expect them to be.

Yeah, which is why I'm not prepared to say that the cart totals are complete science fiction NoirFan. It's the randomness of how they display both individually and in aggregate that gives me pause.

I seem to recall one of the previous sellouts - Journey or Mysterious Island - which was still showing over 100 via the cart even as folks were receiving their "sold out" e-mails.

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

Internet in 1977?

Databases existed long before Web eCommerce HyperRealist. Back then it was all mainframe DBMS anyway, and IT was called MIS.

Even the Web had a previous life as ARPANET. I had my first research connection via one of my clients back in '88. And yes, I really am that old.

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

I would respectfully disagree Blu Titan. Although I don't work for TT, I have worked in IT for 35 years, specializing in customer databases and billing/support systems. It is a cornerstone of the discipline that when tracking any limited supply, you must know at all times exactly how many widgets are available for sale/disposition, including returns/replacements, and deplete your stock counts accordingly.

My abiding point in the previous post was precisely what I demonstrated via direct hands-on testing earlier this evening, mainly to satisfy my own curiosity...that those SAE cart totals are "inaccurate", and thus "unreliable". Whatever the client or server side reason for those inconsistent display results is kind of beside the point. It just doesn't work...at least not all, or even most of the time...although I am willing to concede that you might be 'ballpark' right about the NOTLD90 and Enemy Mine sales totals from today...heck, I might even more or less share that opinion.

Nevertheless, given the evidence of the site's behaviour, it's still, at best, merely a "guestimate".

The "guestimate" will be very close on NOTLD and we will see in the upcoming weeks. Once the title is released then it becomes imposible to estimate how much is left as the allocation of available units will change. In the case of a title like Cover Girl, which has probably only sold a few hundred copies, maybe TT only had 1,000 made to begin with. But you can safely asume that TT is ordering the full allotment of 3,000 units for NOTLD. Either way it does not mean anything to me .

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

Either way it does not mean anything to me .

Well, we agree on that. I got mine.

[Youre My Boy Blu!]

Originally Posted by Brad1963

With optical discs slowing phasing out, certain Blu ray catalog titles may not see the light of day on disc ever again. So if I want a movie bad enough $30.00 is a decent price to pay.

You may be right.
After blu-ray, I think there will be another push with 4K, maybe even 8K on some catalog titles, but beyond that it's all stream.
4K/8K quality will ultimately depend on the source/film stock and photography style, along with progression in film scan technology and post-processing. Optimistically, Maybe half of the S35 movies will show marginal, maybe even some surprising improvements in 4K. Whereas Vistavision and 70mm films should really start to shine from 4K into 8K.

[whitesheik]

Originally Posted by Yankees0222

But the count started at 3000 so why wouldn't it be accurate? If it went from 3000 down to 1775, is that not 1275 copies sold? Not asking to be confrontational.... Just wondering

Because as the poster above points out - it's all arbitrary. Can you not see that?