Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[benbess]

Originally Posted by anthonyls

maybe this thread should be moved up to the sticky threads above... As a permanent tt discussion thread.

+1

[bboisvert]

Originally Posted by anthonyls

Maybe this thread should be moved up to the Sticky Threads above... as a permanent TT Discussion thread.

Certainly makes a lot more sense than Star Wars at this point...

[Arkadin]

makes sense to me also.
this thread is only going to continue to get big business as TT becomes a major classic bd label in the US.
Hopefully they are feeling good about things right now.
I would love to know.

[benbess]

Originally Posted by anthonyls

I would love to see TT put out the 1965 version of Flight of The Phoenix... starring Jimmy Stewart, Richard Attenborough, and Ernest Borgine. Does anyone think this might be a possibility?

Suggested it on FB....And they sound positive about it as a possibility!

[anthonyls]

Originally Posted by benbess

Suggested it on FB....And they sound positive about it as a possibility!

Thanks. That's good news indeed.

[bboisvert]

Originally Posted by benbess

Suggested it on FB....And they sound positive about it as a possibility!

That'd be awesome.

[kemcha]

Twilight Time really needs to change its releases because limiting their production to just 3,000 copies isn't winning over consumers. With such good films as Fright Night and As Good As It Gets, these are two such films that you really shouldn't be limiting because it limits your consumer base. Fans of these films will just buy the DVD or find some other way.

I'm not saying that what they're doing is wrong, but turning the home movie industry into a collector's market is really going to turn off your consumers.

[Yami]

Twilight Time aren't aiming for the average consumer, they're aiming for the collector. By limiting their releases to 3000 they are an attractive outlet for studios that want to make some money off of a title immediately and reserve the right to release it themselves further down the line. In addition, it presumably costs less to licence a title for a limited release.

[Arkadin]

Originally Posted by benbess

Suggested it on FB....And they sound positive about it as a possibility!

would you mind suggesting "Leave Her To Heaven" and "The Chase" for me on their FB account.
I forgot about those 2, and I think they would be amazing releases.
Leave Her To Heaven is just about the coolest color noir ever imo, and The Chase w/ Marlon Brando is just one hell of an entertaining film with an acting tour de force by Brando. I loved every second of it when I first watched it a few months back.
I really think people would love both those films.

[gpn]

Originally Posted by kemcha

Twilight Time really needs to change its releases because limiting their production to just 3,000 copies isn't winning over consumers. With such good films as Fright Night and As Good As It Gets, these are two such films that you really shouldn't be limiting because it limits your consumer base. Fans of these films will just buy the DVD or find some other way.

I'm not saying that what they're doing is wrong, but turning the home movie industry into a collector's market is really going to turn off your consumers.

The studios are the ones restricting Twilight Time to only 3000 copies per title.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by gpn

The studios are the ones restricting Twilight Time to only 3000 copies per title.

TT is only restricted to 3000 copies because that's what they paid for and wanted to pay for. TT decided on the 3000 number long ago and the studios had nothing to do with it. The limited pressing falls with TT not the studios.

If TT approached the studios and offered to by a license for 10000 copies they would take it.

[neo_reloaded]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

TT is only restricted to 3000 copies because that's what they paid for and wanted to pay for. TT decided on the 3000 number long ago and the studios had nothing to do with it. The limited pressing falls with TT not the studios.

If TT approached the studios and offered to by a license for 10000 copies they would take it.

Considering only ONE title has yet sold out at 3000 copies, paying for 10,000 copies doesn't seem wise at this juncture.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

Considering only ONE title has yet sold out at 3000 copies, paying for 10,000 copies doesn't seem wise at this juncture.

I'm not saying 10000 copies is the right number for this or any other release. It was only a number used to make a point. The 3000 number originated with TT.

[benbess]

Originally Posted by Arkadin

would you mind suggesting "Leave Her To Heaven" and "The Chase" for me on their FB account.
I forgot about those 2, and I think they would be amazing releases.
Leave Her To Heaven is just about the coolest color noir ever imo, and The Chase w/ Marlon Brando is just one hell of an entertaining film with an acting tour de force by Brando. I loved every second of it when I first watched it a few months back.
I really think people would love both those films.

Anyone else on fb??? I think they are getting sick of hearing from me.

But, if no one else posts these good suggestions in 4-5 days, I'll do it.

I read somewhere, however, that Fox threw out all of their Technicolor negatives in the 70s, which makes a first class presentation of Leave Her to Heaven more difficult. It could still be pretty good, just not a Wizard of Oz-type stunner...

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by benbess

I read somewhere, however, that Fox threw out all of their Technicolor negatives in the 70s, which makes a first class presentation of Leave Her to Heaven more difficult. It could still be pretty good, just not a Wizard of Oz-type stunner...

I believe the stuff about Fox and their Technicolor negatives is true, however "Leave Her to Heaven" is a title that was recently restored by the Academy Film Archive:

http://www.oscars.org/press/pressrel.../20101001.html

(scroll down a bit)

[benbess]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

I believe the stuff about Fox and their Technicolor negatives is true, however "Leave Her to Heaven" is a title that was recently restored by the Academy Film Archive:

http://www.oscars.org/press/pressrel.../20101001.html

(scroll down a bit)

Good news! Thanks.

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

I'm not saying 10000 copies is the right number for this or any other release. It was only a number used to make a point. The 3000 number originated with TT.

I definitely believe 3000 is too small of a number for select movies. Twilight Time miscalculated and could have easily sold 4000 to 5000 units of Fright Night. While I don't think Demetrius will sell out instantly, 3000 units is unlikely to last more than a couple of months. Now some of their other titles will definitely struggle to reach 3000 units. Twilight Time does not have the built-in fanbase yet like Criterion that will buy anything released, regardless of the quality of the movie.

[Yankees0222]

They should have numbered their releases like criterion. That's definitely the easiest and most effecient way to get most of your titles to sell out eventually.

[SpartanIre]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

I definitely believe 3000 is too small of a number for select movies. Twilight Time miscalculated and could have easily sold 4000 to 5000 units of Fright Night. While I don't think Demetrius will sell out instantly, 3000 units is unlikely to last more than a couple of months. Now some of their other titles will definitely struggle to reach 3000 units. Twilight Time does not have the built-in fanbase yet like Criterion that will buy anything released, regardless of the quality of the movie.

I believe the next one to sell out will be Journey to the Center of the Earth...

[zeroman987]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

I definitely believe 3000 is too small of a number for select movies. Twilight Time miscalculated and could have easily sold 4000 to 5000 units of Fright Night. While I don't think Demetrius will sell out instantly, 3000 units is unlikely to last more than a couple of months. Now some of their other titles will definitely struggle to reach 3000 units. Twilight Time does not have the built-in fanbase yet like Criterion that will buy anything released, regardless of the quality of the movie.

That is definitely easy to say in hindsight when you look at the Fright Night release, but no other Twilight Time title has sold out. I believe one other title has broken 2000 (maybe the Egyptian?) and that was one of the earlier releases.

If you read the interview/article that was linked earlier in the thread you will understand why Twilight Time chose 3000 copies. (they don't even break even until they hit like 1500-2000 units sold). It is expensive to press blu-rays. It is also expensive to license not only the film, but also the isolated soundtrack. Keep in mind that Twilight Time has to pay the studio up front and shoulders all the risk.

So, it is easy to say "oh they should have printed more" but had Fright Night sold 1500 copies, Twilight Time wouldn't even be on anyone's radar. (I don't care for Fright Night or the "collector mentality" but I was alerted to their release of Swamp Water which was well worth the 34 bucks I paid for it).

P.S. Nice Jab at Criterion, I am sure their success has nothing to do with the fact that they are the distributor for most of the top tier Japanese and European classic films.