Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[spatafore]

Originally Posted by jw007

I'm not sure where I stand on the 3,000 limited edition model, but didn't Twilight Time offer a 2nd chance to fans for the movie Rollerball, when they released the Encore Edition of it, after the initial release got sold out?

I'm all for re-pressing or creating additional "encore editions" for certain titles that are best sellers and super popular. It's all about supply and demand, and TT's business model ultimately didn't work, but you can't deny it was an interesting experiment.

what's the difference between a 3000 TT limited vs Encore Edition?

different artwork? no booklets? no reversible art? or?

[drb124]

It was pointed out to me that Hell and High Water as well as the OOP House of Bamboo contain stereo or better tracks while the Eureka releases of the same films supposedly contain 2.0 mono. Has anyone had the opportunity to compare the tracks? I own the Eureka releases, but I would prefer to have the superior audio if there are in fact some cues, directionality or separation missing from the 2.0 Eureka tracks when properly matrixed by an AV receiver when compared to the TT discs.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by spatafore

what's the difference between a 3000 TT limited vs Encore Edition?

different artwork? no booklets? no reversible art? or?

I can only speak about The Big Heat, as it's the only release for which I have both the original and encore editions. A lot of it is minor textual changes, like having a 2012 copyright on the original, and a 2016 copyright on the encore. But the major changes are:

(1) Different cover art for the cases and booklets. In fact, they're swapped. The original edition's case cover art is the same as the encore edition's booklet cover art, and the original edition's booklet cover art is the same as the encore edition's case cover art. In each edition, the disc art is the same as the case cover art.

(2) The original edition's cover slip is blank on the inner side, while the the encore edition has a printed image. And the layout of the case's back cover is different.

(3) The original edition's extras are just a trailer, and an isolated score track. The encore edition adds an audio commentary, and two short video commentaries, one with Michael Mann and one with Martin Scorsese. Both were ported over from the Columbia DVD edition.

On edit: I should clarify that when I say "Both were ported over from the Columbia DVD edition", I mean the two video commentaries. The audio commentary was done for this blu-ray by Lem Dobbs, Julie Kirgo, and Nick Redman.

[RCRochester]

Originally Posted by jw007

I'm not sure where I stand on the 3,000 limited edition model, but didn't Twilight Time offer a 2nd chance to fans for the movie Rollerball, when they released the Encore Edition of it, after the initial release got sold out?

I'm all for re-pressing or creating additional "encore editions" for certain titles that are best sellers and super popular. It's all about supply and demand, and TT's business model ultimately didn't work, but you can't deny it was an interesting experiment.

There were a handful of titles offered as Encore Editions but then people who had purchased the original runs of those titles complained because their purchases were "devalued" by the re-releases. Which of course goes back to the mentality of some collectors who are more interested in having something that others can't have as opposed to something that holds value to them. And, of course, Twilight Time bought that argument and put a stop to the re-releases. Can't blame them I guess, they were in a position of "damned if you do, damned if you don't".

[repulsed]

Originally Posted by leeza

I'm so disappointed that I missed out on Peyton Place.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/PEYTON-PLAC...gAAOSwBGJeuipw

[deepscan]

Wish my budget would have allowed me to order more, but I was lucky to get BABY BOOM, PEYTON PLACE, BORN FREE, and that all time silent classic, BIRTH OF A NATION...always wanted all of them on Blu Ray, some of these titles have already sold out.

I also already have SLEEPLESS IN SEATTLE and THE WAY WE WERE—-too bad I slacked on YENTL and HAWAII. But TT did a great job on its releases, and I’m grateful for that.

[Modman]

Originally Posted by RCRochester

There were a handful of titles offered as Encore Editions but then people who had purchased the original runs of those titles complained because their purchases were "devalued" by the re-releases. Which of course goes back to the mentality of some collectors who are more interested in having something that others can't have as opposed to something that holds value to them. And, of course, Twilight Time bought that argument and put a stop to the re-releases. Can't blame them I guess, they were in a position of "damned if you do, damned if you don't".

I understand exactly what you're saying, however, I find it sad that anyone would even consider denying someone else the opportunity to buy and watch a movie because it "devalues" what they own.

[UnionJackMix]

Originally Posted by Rzzzz

I love Natalie Wood and Dyan Cannon and bought that Dvd years ago. I watched it once and absolutely HATED it. Pure crap. I traded it in immediately....

That was the reason I purchased my dvd at the time. I haven't watched it yet.

[Shanghai Express]

But will they relinquish their exclusivity windows? They should.

[Aclea]

Why? No-one is getting new deals with Fox, so those titles with outstanding units on the contract that could be repressed by SAE (if that's what they intend) go out of print forever while no-one would be able to release the OOP ones anyway and the only Sony deals are Mill Creek (no extras, all expenses spared) and Shout (similar price point, worse compression).

[Dollar Colonel]

5/10 TT order #70392: shipped 5/12 and received 5/16
5/11 TT order #76611: not shipped
5/13 SAE order: not shipped

[Brandon K]

Originally Posted by Dollar Colonel

5/10 TT order #70392: shipped 5/12 and received 5/16
5/11 TT order #76611: not shipped
5/13 SAE order: not shipped

5/10 TT order #720xx: not shipped

5/10 SAE order: shipped
5/11 SAE order: shipped
5/13 SAE order: not shipped

I had a later TT order as well, but since my first one hasn't shipped, it's not really relevant yet.

Originally Posted by Dailyan

Indicator/Powerhouse also has region-free releases of...

Originally Posted by repulsed

Indicator has many of those released on region free...

Thanks to all who commented. Placed an Indicator order for some of the titles I was interested in, still looking at others that have been released on other labels as well as watching for TT releases on eBay etc.

[drownsoda]

Originally Posted by Dollar Colonel

5/10 TT order #70392: shipped 5/12 and received 5/16
5/11 TT order #76611: not shipped
5/13 SAE order: not shipped

I placed my order with TT about a week ago now and it's still not shipped; I ordered from SAE the day after, however, and that was shipped within 48 hours; supposed to arrive tomorrow.

[belcherman]

TT order 05/10/2020: awaiting shipment
TT order 05/12/2020: awaiting shipment
SAE order 05/14/2020: pending

Waiting ...

[Eschenpod]

The waiting is the hardest part.

[Dailyan]

Originally Posted by spatafore

what's the difference between a 3000 TT limited vs Encore Edition?

different artwork? no booklets? no reversible art? or?

Besides packaging...
Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia
Additional commentary
1.0 mono now in a 2.0 container (still the same track)
Rollerball
Four-track stereo mix in a 2.0 stereo container rather than a mono mix (I assume this is the same track on the Arrow release)
The Train
1.0 mono now in a 2.0 container (still the same track)
"hidden" radio ad extra now seemingly impossible to access on disc

The encoding is slightly different for all the Encore editions that use the same video masters but it's so negligible it's barely worth a mention.

[prkchopexpress]

Originally Posted by Modman

I understand exactly what you're saying, however, I find it sad that anyone would even consider denying someone else the opportunity to buy and watch a movie because it "devalues" what they own.

i would agree, but it’s shocking how much entitled crybabies whine over this. it really makes you wonder, why do they even collect movies?

[Page14]

FWIW:

TT order 05/10/2020: awaiting shipment - 16 titles (Order #72xxx)
TT order 05/12/2020: awaiting shipment - 5 titles (Order #76xxx)
SAE order 05/12/2020: shipped - 6 titles (expected on Tuesday)

3 of the titles in my first TT order have sold out since the order was placed ... with 2 of those 3 sold out titles being ClassicFlix releases.

[ilovenola2]

Originally Posted by Shanew800

I already made an order last Sunday but I think I'm making another for those titles I've been curious about for a while. Can anyone give me any input on these titles, I'm trying to narrow it down to 3 and I've never seen any of them. Thanks!
The Incident
The Hospital
New Centurions
The Seven-Ups
The Chase

I've seen all but New Centurions. The Incident, I believe, is the one about a hostage situation on a subway train. Excellent film.
The Hospital is a superb black comedy in the vein of Network, whose author, Paddy Chayefsky, also penned this excellent film.
The Seven-ups is a cop film that I barely remember but I liked it.
The Chase is a wonderful but strange picture written by Horton Foote and starring a cast of heavyweights, including Brando, Jane Fonda, Duvall, E.G.Marshall and an up-and-coming Robert Redford. It's one of my favorite films and of this group I recommend it the most. Perfect?? No. Fascinating and fun--- absolutely!!
If I were choosing, I'd pick The Chase first and The Hospital and The Incident next.
Hope this helps. Of course, it's all just my opinion. (But get The Chase!! It's a hoot.)

[RandCanuck]

Regarding the Encore Editions: Journey to the Centre of the Earth got a brand new, much improved scan. If you want to track down that title, defintiely look for the second release.