Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[Blu Titan]

Please be aware that insults towards the TT label, owners or employees will not be allowed. Thank you.

[Member-222782]

For the record, I didn't "stuff myself" for $45, there were 2 of us and we ordered the cheapest thing on the menu and it still came out to $45 plus tip. The point was, people don't think twice about dropping exorbitant sums of money on "momentary" things like dining out and trips to the hair salon, but spending a bit more than they usually do at Best Buy for a movie that they can watch over and over at their leisure seems to be where they have a big problem.

There are 2 types of people who watch movies: those who walk away from a theater screening thinking about something OTHER than the movie they just saw, and those who walk away in awe and excited after just having watched the same film and counts the days until it comes out on Blu-ray. The latter category are the kinds of people who never think twice about spending $30 on a movie. Which category are you?

[Aclea]

Remind me here, what's Criterion's list price for most of their Blu-rays? $39.99, isn't it? And how many of them don't exactly go overboard on the extras? Were people calling them immoral or despicable when they put out Three Outlaw Samurai at $29.95 with just a trailer and booklet?

As for extras, TT's Our Man Flint not only carried over extras from the Ultimate Flint boxed set but even dug up several that weren't included, as is the case with Nicholas and Alexandra. It's true that sometimes extras aren't carried over from older DVD titles, but that's often for contractual reasons - a lot of early special features contracts specified DVD and VHS use only, so a further payment or renegotiation would be necessary for Blu-ray: while the payment itself might be small (though still prohibitive for a small label), often the studios themselves regard it as a waste of their time and resources to get their lawyers to take another look at the contracts or do a basic amendment. Back-catalog titles are not a priority to them, and unless it's likely to be a big seller you're reliant on their goodwill. Make too much work for them, and sooner or later someone will ask why you're wasting their time for so little money and the supply dries up.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Aclea

Remind me here, what's Criterion's list price for most of their Blu-rays? $39.99, isn't it? And how many of them don't exactly go overboard on the extras? Were people calling them immoral or despicable when they put out Three Outlaw Samurai at $29.95 with just a trailer and booklet?

Criterion is an apples/oranges situation. Criterion producers their own extras and doesn't re-use extras already created by the studio, for the most part. People are asking for, at the very least, ALL extras already on the DVD releases to be included.

If there were no extras already produced, no one is complaining.

[tama]

Originally Posted by Aclea

Remind me here, what's Criterion's list price for most of their Blu-rays? $39.99, isn't it? And how many of them don't exactly go overboard on the extras? Were people calling them immoral or despicable when they put out Three Outlaw Samurai at $29.95 with just a trailer and booklet?

As for extras, TT's Our Man Flint not only carried over extras from the Ultimate Flint boxed set but even dug up several that weren't included, as is the case with Nicholas and Alexandra. It's true that sometimes extras aren't carried over from older DVD titles, but that's often for contractual reasons - a lot of early special features contracts specified DVD and VHS use only, so a further payment or renegotiation would be necessary for Blu-ray: while the payment itself might be small (though still prohibitive for a small label), often the studios themselves regard it as a waste of their time and resources to get their lawyers to take another look at the contracts or do a basic amendment. Back-catalog titles are not a priority to them, and unless it's likely to be a big seller you're reliant on their goodwill. Make too much work for them, and sooner or later someone will ask why you're wasting their time for so little money and the supply dries up.

3 Outlaw Samurai was 21.99 on release date at Frys Electronics. It wasn't a limited supply release and could be found a through most venues available. Im sorry what was your point?

[Aclea]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Criterion is an apples/oranges situation. Criterion producers their own extras and doesn't re-use extras already created by the studio, for the most part.

Not so. They sub-license many of their extras (often for a pittance) and carry over plenty of extras produced by the studios they sublicense the features from. The documentaries and featurettes on Le Beau Serge, Les Visiteurs du Soir, Tokyo Drifter, La Belle et la Bete, Children of Paradise, The Organizer, Rashomon, Seven Samurai and many others were all produced for foreign home video releases and merely picked up as part of the rights deals. They also frequently don't carry over all the extras those studios create either. Many of their discs have no original content at all unless you count the liner notes.

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

People are asking for, at the very least, ALL extras already on the DVD releases to be included.

As explained, that's not always possible.

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

If there were no extras already produced, no one is complaining.

Oh, but they do - and how.

[Aclea]

Originally Posted by tama

3 Outlaw Samurai was 21.99 on release date at Frys Electronics. It wasn't a limited supply release and could be found a through most venues available. Im sorry what was your point?

Since many of their titles, even discounted from their $39.95 list price, are $31.95, does that mean that your objection to TT's titles is purely that they're limited? Because its doubtful that some of Criterion's titles even press 3000 copies in the entire duration of the contract. Or do you have some other point?

[jstxanothrxstory]

To put my two cents into the debate, the 3000 limit doesn't bother me. If it's a title I like, I'll try to get it. If it sells out beforehand, I'll just stick with a DVD. I've found many copies of titles like AGAIG, SM and Philadelphia at secondhand stores for $2-$5.

[tama]

Originally Posted by Aclea

Since many of their titles, even discounted from their $39.95 list price, are $31.95, does that mean that your objection to TT's titles is purely that they're limited? Because its doubtful that some of Criterion's titles even press 3000 copies in the entire duration of the contract. Or do you have some other point?

Most Criterion titles on release date range from 26-30 dollars. Value added wise a vast majority of there disc come with an array os supplements. Granted they occasionally have there near bare bone releases but those titles range in the price of lower 20.00 territory. Not to mention amazon and B&N sales when titles drop under 20.00. Then there's the limited release.

I don't mind TT as I personally bought several of there titles and will continue to buy more. Its Sony that has me scratching my head with titles like Philadelphia.

[bluknight1]

First The Song of Bernadette and NOW Leave Her to Heaven?! How does Fox not think they can make money off of those?! I better start checking every day to see if the preorders are up because I'm afraid they'll both sell out in a flash

[Mr.Dig]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

Please be aware that insults towards the TT label, owners or employees will not be allowed. Thank you.

+1
Kick them out! I'm so tired of complains towards the TT label.

[GxyExpress999]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

...and wiTheFurMMm:

Awful font...:thumbdown:

Originally Posted by BarnDoor

Really dislike the font they went with on The Fury. The one used on the original poster is far better.

Originally Posted by HotRats

Looks like it was done with an Etch-A-Sketch. At first glance I thought they had actually found a film called The Furmm

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[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by Mr.Dig

+1
Kick them out! I'm so tired of complains towards the TT label.

The more Blu-ray releases, the better. We all have our label preferences and we can disagree. However, at this point, the TT business model has been dissected a billion times and continued postings about this will be treated as "thread crapping. There are many members actually interested in discussing the films getting released and that is the main idea of this thread.

[oildude]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

The more Blu-ray releases, the better. We all have our label preferences and we can disagree. However, at this point, the TT business model has been dissected a billion times and continued postings about this will be treated as "thread crapping. There are many members actually interested in discussing the films getting released and that is the main idea of this thread.

Thanks, Blu Titan. In the 18 months this thread has been active, it has been a great place for movie lovers to talk about the films TT is releasing. We have come to accept their business model, realize complaining isn't going to change anything, it is what it is, either buy it or don't, and we appreciate TT for putting themselves out there and taking the financial risks as a company to bring older films to blu-ray every month.

The TT haters have generally stayed away and confined themselves to the individual film threads, where many of the same members post the same complaints and vitriol, again and again, crapping up every thread and essentially hijacking it. Now, with the latest batch of announcements yesterday, they have started dogpiling into this thread.

There used to be a separate thread for people to engage in "spirited" debate and rants about company business models and practices, but it disappeared in the June site crash.

[bluknight1]

For the record, I'm merely dissappointed that some of the titles are not reaching the audience they could with a wide release. I'm not attacking TT's business model or the employees. The only attacks I'm making are directed at Fox; not at Twilight Time. Fox is doing business poorly while Twilight Time is doing it well. My apologies, I got a bit carried away a little while ago. Never use a forum when under the influence of anger.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Mr.Dig

+1
Kick them out! I'm so tired of complains towards the TT label.

Don't forget to also kick out the complainers complaining about the complainers. I'm tired of seeing BOTH. It's causes these threads to grow ten times in length compared to if people just ignored the posts.

[Mr.Dig]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Don't forget to also kick out the complainers complaining about the complainers. I'm tired of seeing BOTH. It's causes these threads to grow ten times in length compared to if people just ignored the posts.

Yeah right! I'm so terrible sorry. I like Twilight Time and I want them to continue to release movies on blu-ray,that no one else is going to release. All the complains to TT is something that may break down TT interest to release more blu-ray movies in the future. And we don't want that! Do we?

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Mr.Dig

Yeah right! I'm so terrible sorry. I like Twilight Time and I want them to continue to release movies on blu-ray,that no one else is going to release. All the complains to TT is something that may break down TT interest to release more blu-ray movies in the future. And we don't want that! Do we?

Like TT needs a protector. TT can stand on their own two feet and they'll either survive or succumb based on their own merit; so far they seem to be doing pretty well. Nothing anyone says in these threads will be the direct cause of TT's success or demise. Everyone will form their own opinions, based on available facts, regardless of what anyone else thinks and that will never change; it's just each individual's opinion and nothing more.

[bluknight1]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Like TT needs a protector. TT can stand on their own two feet and they'll either survive or succumb based on their own merit; so far they seem to be doing pretty well. Nothing anyone says in these threads will be the direct cause of TT's success or demise. Everyone will form their own opinions, based on available facts, regardless of what anyone else thinks and that will never change; it's just each individual's opinion and nothing more.

Well said, amigo.

[jetthead]

Originally Posted by NoirFan

Gilda and The Lady from Shanghai in particular.

Oh God yes! Those are 2 really fantastic films.