Twilight Time Discussion Thread - Page 20 - Blu-ray Forum

HD Goofnut · 03-01-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

There are quite a number of movies I could see fitting in with TT release style. Movies that are mostly "cult following" and would not sell in great numbers in a general release. Krull being one of them. A lot of the cheesie scifi/fantasy movies from the 80's fit. It's not like they were HUGE sellers on DVD anyway.

Yeah, that's what I am saying. I just hope they would include all of the features from the DVD.

P@t_Mtl · 03-01-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Yeah, that's what I am saying. I just hope they would include all of the features from the DVD.

Probably for the extras, they might have to pay more money in order to use them and TT probably does not care to do that

kemcha · 03-01-2012, 04:26 PM

I doubt that Twilight Time has a contract with the studio. The studio is in the business to make money. The more copies of a Blu-ray movie that are sold, the better their return. While I'm not discounting the "contract" issue, I know that it's a weak argument because the studio wants to make more money from these Blu-ray releases, not stifle their own profits for their own movies.

Banned User · 03-01-2012, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

I'd have to strongly disagree on that one. Krull is a mess, the movie is choppy and a lot of it just doesn't plain make sense. It bombed with both critics and audiences and arguably set the genre back that had been gaining momentum with movies like Conan and Dragonslayer.

I wish someone would release DragonSlayer on Blu

HD Goofnut · 03-01-2012, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Banned User

I wish someone would release DragonSlayer on Blu

Being a Paramount title it may be quite some time.

bboisvert · 03-01-2012, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I have to be honest. If Krull is passed onto TT I would pay $40 for it.

I can remember reading an interview or something w/Columbia execs back in the early days of DVD... and they mentioned that this was the favorite movie of someone high up there.

That's why it came out so early on DVD (~2000) and with so many supplements for a catalog title (2 commentaries, documentary, etc.)

I want to say it was a DigitalBits.com interview and the person basically said "Krull? Really?? Krull?!?" and the response was something like "Ha - yeah, one of the VPs here loves it -- their favorite film. So we did something extra special with that one for the DVD."

Vague memory, but I think I'm close to the mark.

Given that we haven't seen a BD of it yet, maybe that person has moved on.

But, I agree -- I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

HD Goofnut · 03-01-2012, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bboisvert

I can remember reading an interview or something w/Columbia execs back in the early days of DVD... and they mentioned that this was the favorite movie of someone high up there.

That's why it came out so early on DVD (~2000) and with so many supplements for a catalog title (2 commentaries, documentary, etc.)

I want to say it was a DigitalBits.com interview and the person basically said "Krull? Really?? Krull?!?" and the response was something like "Ha - yeah, one of the VPs here loves it -- their favorite film. So we did something extra special with that one for the DVD."

Vague memory, but I think I'm close to the mark.

Given that we haven't seen a BD of it yet, maybe that person has moved on.

But, I agree -- I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

Thanks for the story. I always wondered why it had a nice supplemental package.

Banned User · 03-01-2012, 07:22 PM

Considering in the case of Sony that these HD masters were already completed before Twilight came along. I'm willing to bet Sony is going through their catalog and creating masters for sale to streaming, cable and other services. Sony has been having some rough times lately so maybe they do not have the capital to warrant releasing a ton of catalog titles on Blu. This contract with Twilight probably is reimbursing the money spent to create the HD masters to begin with including a small profit. Win win for Sony.

But for the company that has co invented and pushed Bluray from the start their support for the format here I find disheartening.

I agree with a earlier poster. Its not so much the price, even though for barebones its hefty, its the limited edition thing. Which means if you don't keep up weekly with every company releasing limited editions you may miss out on your favorite movie. Granted there is only Twilight right now, but if this catches on there may be more down the pipe.

bboisvert · 03-01-2012, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Banned User

I wish someone would release DragonSlayer on Blu

Another one of those Paramount titles that they didn't even bother to keep in print on DVD. Sad.

With a few of Paramounts OOP DVDs finding their way onto Criterion, I'm still holding out hope for this one getting special treatment. Maybe that's unrealistic, but I'm still hoping.

PeterTHX · 03-01-2012, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bboisvert

Given that we haven't seen a BD of it yet, maybe that person has moved on.

Maybe they fired him because of that.

SpartanIre · 03-01-2012, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ROclockCK

Have you actually read either HTF or KQEK's interviews with Twilight Time's Nick Redman rdodolak? I'm not trying to be snarky - I simply can't understand how, if you had read those pieces, you could still be posting such recondite comments about TT's limited release model, especially the 3000 unit 'ceiling' on their total number of Blu-rays. In a nutshell, if they exceed that number - known in the industry as 'the magazine rate' - other licensing factors kick in, including fees for profit participants, and potential complications securing music rights. They wanted a "clean" upfront deal for both themselves and the studio, but that "cleanliness" gets lost the minute they're forced to engage 3rd and 4th parties, as well as unions and lawyers.

I urge you (and anyone else who is still scratchin' their noggin here or over on the AGAIG board) to read both those interviews. Without that basic understanding of what's actually going on with this label's output, you're just dooming yourself to continual confusion over the logic and practice of TT's catalogue release model.

Thank you for the links ROCK! I was finally able to kick back and read the interviews. Very informative. Makes it a lot easier to understand what/why TT is looking to accomplish. I would suggest to anyone following the thread and/or TT to give it a good once-over...

whitesheik · 03-01-2012, 09:02 PM

Just a little head's up - just got an advance peek at the upcoming Bite the Bullet - it looks and sounds spectacular.

zeroman987 · 03-01-2012, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bboisvert

I can remember reading an interview or something w/Columbia execs back in the early days of DVD... and they mentioned that this was the favorite movie of someone high up there.

That's why it came out so early on DVD (~2000) and with so many supplements for a catalog title (2 commentaries, documentary, etc.)

I want to say it was a DigitalBits.com interview and the person basically said "Krull? Really?? Krull?!?" and the response was something like "Ha - yeah, one of the VPs here loves it -- their favorite film. So we did something extra special with that one for the DVD."

Vague memory, but I think I'm close to the mark.

Given that we haven't seen a BD of it yet, maybe that person has moved on.

But, I agree -- I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

Krull would be a great blu-ray release. It isn't necessarily great, but it is a whole lot of fun.

captveg · 03-01-2012, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kemcha

I doubt that Twilight Time has a contract with the studio. The studio is in the business to make money. The more copies of a Blu-ray movie that are sold, the better their return. While I'm not discounting the "contract" issue, I know that it's a weak argument because the studio wants to make more money from these Blu-ray releases, not stifle their own profits for their own movies.

Actually, that's exactly what they have. The titles have been licensed for 3 years.

"So they [Fox, Sony] agreed that if the title sold out very early it would lie dormant for three years."

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/31...model-and-more

zeroman987 · 03-01-2012, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by captveg

Actually, that's exactly what they have. The titles have been licensed for 3 years.

"So they [Fox, Sony] agreed that if the title sold out very early it would lie dormant for three years."

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/31...model-and-more

I am under the impression that the people who are expressing "disbelief" over Twilight Time are just trolling. There is no way they could have missed the thread that got derailed and the interviews which have been posted over and over again explaining in detail the deal that Sony has cut with TT and why Sony cut that deal.

arcadeforest · 03-02-2012, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Me and you both. I don't care what other's say about this movie, I enjoy it and since the day I first saw it in theater's back in 83. It's fun, some action, cheesie special effects

and with actors that were just starting. How can't you not like Liam Nesson in there or Robbie Coltrane

Not to mention the lead actress is so 1980's hot

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ROclockCK · 03-02-2012, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SpartanIre

Thank you for the links ROCK! I was finally able to kick back and read the interviews. Very informative. Makes it a lot easier to understand what/why TT is looking to accomplish. I would suggest to anyone following the thread and/or TT to give it a good once-over...

You're certainly welcome SpartanIre. I thought they were both very candid and conversational reads...I would be surprised by anyone put off by them. In fact, this is exactly the kind of direct, 'brass tacks' insight we get far too seldom from business leaders in general, much less home video*.

I wonder if our board captain could be persuaded to pin those links to the OP? For anyone new to TT and this thread those interviews could save a lot of needless head scratchin' over what this label is up to...

* whitesheik excepted...no shyness or wishy-washiness there!

benbess · 03-02-2012, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ROclockCK

You're certainly welcome SpartanIre. I thought they were both very candid and conversational reads...I would be surprised by anyone put off by them. In fact, this is exactly the kind of direct, 'brass tacks' insight we get far too seldom from business leaders in general, much less home video*.

I wonder if our board captain could be persuaded to pin those links to the OP? For anyone new to TT and this thread those interviews could save a lot of needless head scratchin' over what this label is up to...

* whitesheik excepted...no shyness or wishy-washiness there!

+1 Yes. I think this is a good idea. It might save at least some of the time that's spent explaining TT's business model over and over.

P@t_Mtl · 03-02-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by benbess

+1 Yes. I think this is a good idea. It might save at least some of the time that's spent explaining TT's business model over and over.

I doubt it would change much, some people on the Internet don't want "to get it", they just want to rant and rant and pass all their daily life frustrations on here. This release style from TT is just the newest set of target for them.

Persianimmortal · 03-02-2012, 12:44 PM

The interview explains things very clearly, thanks for the link.

Interesting to see that the studios are likely going to use TTs releases as a test to gauge demand for these movies on blu. That, along with the strict 3000 unit limit, the lack of any discounts, and at least 3 years before the title can be released again on blu, certainly adds impetus to grabbing favorite titles as soon as possible.

I also agree with TTs point that the studios messed up and devalued blurays too quickly. You can see evidence on this forum of that. Pretty much every release now you'll have a large number of people saying they'll wait for a title to drop to something like $8 or $5 before buying. The end result is we may never get certain titles on blu simply because it's not worth it for the studios at those sort of prices.

All in all, it really does make one appreciate what TT is doing, and hopefully collectors of classic films will get behind their efforts.

03-01-2012, 04:26 PM	#383
kemcha Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2009 Location:Michigan, USA 4K collection:18 Blu-ray collection:344 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:32	I doubt that Twilight Time has a contract with the studio. The studio is in the business to make money. The more copies of a Blu-ray movie that are sold, the better their return. While I'm not discounting the "contract" issue, I know that it's a weak argument because the studio wants to make more money from these Blu-ray releases, not stifle their own profits for their own movies.

03-01-2012, 07:22 PM	#388
Banned User Blu-ray Guru Member since:Mar 2010 4K collection:135 Blu-ray collection:2388 DVD collection:92 Blu-ray reviews: 5	Considering in the case of Sony that these HD masters were already completed before Twilight came along. I'm willing to bet Sony is going through their catalog and creating masters for sale to streaming, cable and other services. Sony has been having some rough times lately so maybe they do not have the capital to warrant releasing a ton of catalog titles on Blu. This contract with Twilight probably is reimbursing the money spent to create the HD masters to begin with including a small profit. Win win for Sony. But for the company that has co invented and pushed Bluray from the start their support for the format here I find disheartening. I agree with a earlier poster. Its not so much the price, even though for barebones its hefty, its the limited edition thing. Which means if you don't keep up weekly with every company releasing limited editions you may miss out on your favorite movie. Granted there is only Twilight right now, but if this catches on there may be more down the pipe.

03-01-2012, 09:02 PM	#392
whitesheik Banned Member since:Aug 2009	Just a little head's up - just got an advance peek at the upcoming Bite the Bullet - it looks and sounds spectacular.

03-02-2012, 12:44 PM	#400
Persianimmortal Active Member Member since:May 2011 Location:Canberra, Australia	The interview explains things very clearly, thanks for the link. Interesting to see that the studios are likely going to use TTs releases as a test to gauge demand for these movies on blu. That, along with the strict 3000 unit limit, the lack of any discounts, and at least 3 years before the title can be released again on blu, certainly adds impetus to grabbing favorite titles as soon as possible. I also agree with TTs point that the studios messed up and devalued blurays too quickly. You can see evidence on this forum of that. Pretty much every release now you'll have a large number of people saying they'll wait for a title to drop to something like $8 or $5 before buying. The end result is we may never get certain titles on blu simply because it's not worth it for the studios at those sort of prices. All in all, it really does make one appreciate what TT is doing, and hopefully collectors of classic films will get behind their efforts.

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