Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[EffenBlue]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

Unrelated, but that's a great avatar. Friday the 13th Part 2 is my favorite film of that entire franchise by miles and miles.

I do love part 2 as it's probably the only one where you could realistically say Jason's still human.

[lemonski]

Originally Posted by EffenBlue

Interesting read. Part 2 with Julie Kirgo contains an interesting paragraph that I've been curious about for a while:

Some people like to say that if company "x" put this movie or that movie out instead of TT then it would sell more, but if Universal wasn't happy with a movie like Psycho's sales then lesser know movies must not stand a chance.

I don't really understand that - either there was something specific about the Psycho transfer that resulted in poor sales, or Universal had their sights set too high - if that was still their benchmark they wouldn't be releasing any titles less well known than Psycho...would High Plains Drifter be getting the green light?

Originally Posted by EffenBlue

Which brings me to my question. Other than the weekly numbers available at the numbers, are the actual sales figures available anywhere?

Don't know for sure, but during the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD war we got some pretty specifc figures, down to individual titles. It was a laugh (and a shock ) to see how few copies of a movie had actually sold, sometimes in double digits for the whole country. Anyway, wasn't it Home Media magazine that produced a lot of those stats?

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by EffenBlue

Interesting read. Part 2 with Julie Kirgo contains an interesting paragraph that I've been curious about for a while:

Some people like to say that if company "x" put this movie or that movie out instead of TT then it would sell more, but if Universal wasn't happy with a movie like Psycho's sales then lesser know movies must not stand a chance.

Which brings me to my question. Other than the weekly numbers available at the numbers, are the actual sales figures available anywhere?

Pure speculation on their part, especially now that Universal has confirmed that they are indeed coming out with a "restored" version of Touch of Evil.

[grrrarg]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

Well..TT is grabbing up all the good stuff, what's Mill Creek going to release, Who's Harry Crumb????

I hope so, I definitely need that.

Shawnee Smith is great in it

[bboisvert]

Watched The Disappearance last night.

What a cool flick. How is it that this is so obscure, with an amazing cast like that?


I had seriously never even heard of this movie, which is pretty rare for me. Really, really glad that TT decided to put this one out. A little-known gem.

[JoeDeM]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

Well..TT is grabbing up all the good stuff, what's Mill Creek going to release, Who's Harry Crumb????

TT is hardly even scratching the surface of what catolog titles are availible from Sony, Mill Creek just needs to stepup their game.

[EffenBlue]

Originally Posted by lemonski

I don't really understand that - either there was something specific about the Psycho transfer that resulted in poor sales, or Universal had their sights set too high - if that was still their benchmark they wouldn't be releasing any titles less well known than Psycho...would High Plains Drifter be getting the green light?

Originally Posted by baheidstu

Pure speculation on their part, especially now that Universal has confirmed that they are indeed coming out with a "restored" version of Touch of Evil.

So I guess it's as you two say, somewhere between the interview and now they adjusted what they consider successful.

Originally Posted by lemonski

Anyway, wasn't it Home Media magazine that produced a lot of those stats?

Checked out their website and they use a weird index system instead of actual numbers. G.I. Joe: Retaliation was number 1 last week with an index of 100 and 2nd was Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox with an index of 13.41 which in their system means it sold 13% of what G.I. Joe: Retaliation did. They can tell us that but not give actual numbers .

Anyway, watched the first 20 minutes of Mindwarp online. There appears to be just enough cheese in there to warrant a (partially) blind buy purchase.

[pedromc69]

I really want Fright Night and Christine , hopefully they rerelease them , do they not want to make money lol.

[zbinks]

Originally Posted by pedromc69

I really want Fright Night and Christine , hopefully they rerelease them , do they not want to make money lol.

It's not really an option for Twilight Time. Their licenses are for 3,000 copies and 3 years exclusivity. When we get around December 2014 and March 2016, respectively, we might here about Sony, Twilight Time or someone else rereleasing these films.

[pedromc69]

should i wait till 2014 or try to find this edition for a good price. I know the dvd versions are like 5 bucks there not to good though right.

[Movie Nut]

Originally Posted by pedromc69

should i wait till 2014 or try to find this edition for a good price. I know the dvd versions are like 5 bucks there not to good though right.

If you decide to go with the DVD version feel free to PM me. I have a copy of the Special Edition DVD I would sell you.

[lemonski]

Originally Posted by EffenBlue

Checked out their website and they use a weird index system instead of actual numbers. G.I. Joe: Retaliation was number 1 last week with an index of 100 and 2nd was Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox with an index of 13.41 which in their system means it sold 13% of what G.I. Joe: Retaliation did. They can tell us that but not give actual numbers

Out of curiosity I did a quick Google search, looks like they were released by the studios from data from Neilsen Videoscan, which IIRC is subscription only.

The chart I found for the week ending 3/18/2007 shows Casino Royale BD moving 28,233 copies that week at #1, and Babel BD at #10 selling 880 Ahhh...the old days (sniff)

[Tns49]

Two Sinbad's announced for December
THE GOLDEN VOYAGE OF SINBAD (1973)
SINBAD AND THE EYE OF THE TIGER (1977)

Harryhausen fans take note.

[NoirFan]

Originally Posted by Tns49

Two Sinbad's announced for September

December.

[Tns49]

Originally Posted by NoirFan

December.

Yeah, I knew that, but my fingers didn't.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by EffenBlue

So I guess it's as you two say, somewhere between the interview and now they adjusted what they consider successful.

Or the guy in Toronto was just wrong. This is one of the things that makes these discussions so tricky. What real information did we have here?

A guy on the internet said a guy in Toronto told him Psycho didn't sell well.

What was the guy in Toronto basing that on? We don't know.

What exactly constitutes 'didn't do well at all'? We don't know.

But we read that little snippet and it becomes an article of faith that Psycho tanked.

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by Tns49

Two Sinbad's announced for December
THE GOLDEN VOYAGE OF SINBAD (1973)
SINBAD AND THE EYE OF THE TIGER (1977)

Harryhausen fans take note.

I remember my Dad taking me to the theater in Cuba to watch those two movies (this was in the late 70's early 80's) . Definitely, a nostalgic must for me as well as a personal preference for Harryhausen films. Two of the few titles for which I cannot consider taking a chance on a sell out before a purchase.

Originally Posted by octagon

Or the guy in Toronto was just wrong. This is one of the things that makes these discussions so tricky. What real information did we have here?

A guy on the internet said a guy in Toronto told him Psycho didn't sell well.

What was the guy in Toronto basing that on? We don't know.

What exactly constitutes 'didn't do well at all'? We don't know.

But we read that little snippet and it becomes an article of faith that Psycho tanked.

There's no real information. TT is reacting to the article from the Bits, which they have a right to do. Do we really need to discuss the TT business model again ?

[davidthenikonuser]

Watched Body Double last night. The PQ/AQ where pretty good. Anyone else watch it yet? What did you think?

[Paul.R.S]

Originally Posted by baheidstu

No, I did not mistype, perhaps you misread but I will clarify. I was saying that (according to Redman), the royalty payouts would show up on a single quarterly statement [belonging to the studio] instead of being spread out over several quarterly statements, that's all. It just seems that someone along the way misinterpreted that as meaning that there would be no royalty payments.

The (purported absence of) royalty payments issue is a separate matter. I didn't make any comments in those regards. If you're referring to someone who argued that TT isn't paying royalties, well I agree that's silly (with the caveat that, technically speaking, they are remitting a licensing fee not a royalties payment).

So in your use of "quarterly" you're referring to an internal "quarterly statement" reflecting the studio's P&L? My reading was simply different of the way Redman used the term: I was thinking more of a BILL that is sent on a quarterly basis to a debtor reflecting the payment they owe for the current quarter.

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

TT sellouts to date:

Christine (Blu-ray):
Feb. 15, 2013 - Feb. 15, 2013
< 1 Day (4.5 to 5 hours)

Night of the Living Dead '90 (Blu-ray):
Sept. 14, 2012 - Sept. 22, 2012
8 Days

Body Double (Blu-ray):
July 24, 2013 - Aug. 7, 2013**
14 Days**

Fright Night (Blu-ray):
Nov. 15, 2011 - Dec. 19, 2011
35 Days

Journey to the Center of the Earth (Blu-ray):
Apr. 13, 2012 - July 11, 2012
90 Days

Mysterious Island (Blu-ray):
Oct. 14, 2011 - July 13, 2012
277 Days

The Big Heat (Blu-ray):
Apr. 13, 2012 - June 21, 2013
435 Days (1 year, 2 months, and 9 days)

The Flim-Flam Man (DVD):
Aug. 9, 2011* - Jan. 28, 2013
538 Days (1 year, 5 months, and 19 days)*

Fate is the Hunter (DVD):
May 10, 2011* - Jan. 23, 2013
625 Days (1 year, 8 months, and 14 days)*

The Egyptian (Blu-ray):
July 12, 2011* - April 25, 2013
653 Days (1 year, 9 months, and 13 days)*

The Left Hand of God (DVD):
Oct. 14, 2011 - Aug. 3, 2013**
658 Days (1 year, 9 months, and 16 days)**


* Calculated from Release Date. Exact Pre-Order Date Unknown, so add approximately 30 days to the date ranges shown here.

** Sell out date on SAE. Also sold out on TCM within hours or days.

Try again Rock ...Body Double is not yet a sellout. Not available at SAE but still can be had at TCM for $5 more + more expensive shipping. I saw your "**" but it should not be considered a sellout when it clearly is not. Next thing, SAE will get 1/2 the stock and the other 1/2 goes to TCM to sell at an even higher premium ...at least for the higher demand titles, this could def happen .