Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[PowellPressburger]

Originally Posted by Brad1963

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I love it!

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by UFOX

Funny to see and hear the magic words "limited to 3000".
Ok,3000 is not much for a classic movie like Fright Night or Body Double and they are known to sell out in a couple of hours or day's.

What if they only put on the cover "limited edition",will it sell as fast?
Don't think so.
Somehow limited to 3000 or 4000 is like magic words,get them now or they are go forever.
I buy what I like because I am a collector,and sometimes it cost a little more than the average blu-ray.

I think that Twilight Time makes a good case for their business strategy, because this allows them to make solid one-time pressings of films in a way that keeps the business afloat.

I like the idea that certain underrated films, like Experiment in Terror or Rapture, that might have otherwise slipped through the cracks into forgotten cinema are given a new shot in the arm by way of bringing them to the attention of collectors with a sense of urgency.

I just have to be cognizant of the fact that I need a well-rested refresh button finger ready in the event that movies I really want to own (The Driver, Drums Along the Mohawk, etc.) happen to sell out on the preorders faster than I imagine. So far, that has not happened, though.

[UFOX]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

I just have to be cognizant of the fact that I need a well-rested refresh button finger ready in the event that movies I really want to own (The Driver, Drums Along the Mohawk, etc.) happen to sell out on the preorders faster than I imagine. So far, that has not happened, though.

Yeah,but a lot of people don't have time or are away to get them as the preorders are live.
How about 2500 copies for preorder and another 500 on the release-date itself?
Then at least you got a second chance.

[madmojo]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

This is not how things are.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to have your own facts.

Here are some of them:

1. Olive Films do no charge "about as much as TT". One company's titles I could get on any given day for about as low as 15-16$, the other chargers 35+$.

2. Olive Films have brought films to Blu-ray that were never released on DVD in the U.S. This is appreciated by consumers - like me.

3. Consumers do care about catalog titles. You are fed PR BS to believe otherwise, but if the opposite was true, you would not be seeing this massive explosion of catalog releases on the market. And another fact: Olive Films is a major part of it.

4. Subtitles. Yes, I've said it many times - they should be a standard feature on all Blu-rays. But I personally do not mind paying 15-16$ for a title without them. I do have a huge problem paying 35$+ for a title that does not have them and uses a recycled transfer.

5. Limited Edition. Locking titles in a monopolistic deal does not mean that you have a Limited Edition. I don't mind paying top dollar for such a release - but only when the quality, care, and attention is there.

This is a Limited Edition, with a stamped and numbered certificate (!!), and I was happy to pay a lot more than 35$...for a DVD release. In fact, I've done it many times.






Pro-B

1. Amazon.com, which let's face it, is where most people get their blu-rays charges between 20 and 25 dollars for Olive releases. Olive's own website charges more than Amazon on some titles by a little bit, less than Amazon by a bit on others. They are around the 20 dollar point on CDuniverse. Add in the 3 dollar shipping, it's the same as Amazon usually if you have Prime. To me, 25 instead of 30 is "about as much".

2. Feel free to appreciate Olive. I don't as much as you do. That's fine too. I don't see how this comes down to anything more than opinion, as I never stated others didn't like Olive.

3. Sure. Olive films does release a lot of catalog titles. It's what they're there for. I put the whole line about catalog titles not selling because that's what I've heard numerous people here say on the forums. If they're wrong, I'm glad. But why aren't the studios releasing them? At least then we'd get the special features they had on the DVDs (the ones that were released to DVD that is)

4. I don't care about subtitles personally, but I agree they should be on all releases. We agree there.

5. How is something being limited to 3,000 copies not a limited edition? It is quite literally one. It's not a limited numbered edition. Nor is it a limited special edition, but it's still a limited edition, nonetheless. If you choose not to call it that, that's fine, but supplies are limited to a certain number and that to me = limited. I would like to see them number their products in the future, but they seem a bit too curmudgeonly to do such a thing. lol

At any rate, I'm tired of being negative and people snapping at me for one line at the end of a post. I've explained as well as I can a line that was meant to be hyperbole or something like that anyway. If you feel like I'm an idiot for liking the Twilight Time releases I've bought or for dealing with the company, feel free. I feel we've been talking more about Olive anyway, and there's another thread for that. It's not as if my not buying Olive films is going to bring about the end of the world or something.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by madmojo

1. Amazon.com, which let's face it, is where most people get their blu-rays charges between 20 and 25 dollars for Olive releases. Olive's own website charges more than Amazon on some titles by a little bit, less than Amazon by a bit on others. They are around the 20 dollar point on CDuniverse. Add in the 3 dollar shipping, it's the same as Amazon usually if you have Prime. To me, 25 instead of 30 is "about as much".

If this is your basis for comparison, then you should have made it clear from the very beginning. But it is still an argument that is flawed because a) there are many other places where people shop; b) because around 20$ is still not the same as 35$+; and c) because many TT titles go for even more than 40$+ if one were to look for them exclusively at Amazon and its merchants.

Originally Posted by madmojo

2. Feel free to appreciate Olive. I don't as much as you do. That's fine too. I don't see how this comes down to anything more than opinion, as I never stated others didn't like Olive.

I do appreciate them. The fact is this: they have brought films to Blu-ray which were never before released on DVD in the U.S. and still managed to charge less than 20$. So, there is a business model that works for them and for the consumer. Fact.

Originally Posted by madmojo

3. Sure. Olive films does release a lot of catalog titles. It's what they're there for. I put the whole line about catalog titles not selling because that's what I've heard numerous people here say on the forums.

You should not believe everything that is posted on forums. You also should not buy the PR theory that unless a certain company releases a film as a limited edition, that's the end of the line for it -- this is classic PR smoke. I've said it before: What TT is doing now is what Image Entertainment was doing before them, though the former does it for three times more than what the latter charged. If this title would have come up through TT a year ago, they would have asked 35$+ for it. Ah..., you might have gotten an isolated score.

Originally Posted by madmojo

But why aren't the studios releasing them?

Olive Films, Cohen Media, Mill Creek, Image Entertainment, Criterion...are all studios/boutique labels. Why should the majors release everything? Why do you have Wal-Mart and all the other smaller places where you could do your grocery shopping?

This is the beauty, and ugliness, of this business - anyone could do virtually anything.

Originally Posted by madmojo

At least then we'd get the special features they had on the DVDs (the ones that were released to DVD that is)

I don't know about this. You, and quite a few other people posting on the forum, seem to be under the impression that if some supplemental content was placed on DVD, then it should be as easy as a walk in the park to put on Blu-ray. It isn't. With traditional boutique labels known for their quality work, such as Criterion, that produced their own supplemental features, yes, this could be the case. But in many, many cases you have to license supplemental content for a possible Blu-ray release just like you license the film you wish to release. And this isn't easy for boutique labels.

Originally Posted by madmojo

4. I don't care about subtitles personally, but I agree they should be on all releases. We agree there.

I do. And the people who have spoken up have been right to do so. I understand their concerns and have always agreed with them.

Originally Posted by madmojo

5. How is something being limited to 3,000 copies not a limited edition? It is quite literally one.

I was addressing what "limited" was referred to in terms of quality in years past. (Which is why I gave you an example of a true limited edition release).

Originally Posted by madmojo

I would like to see them number their products in the future, but they seem a bit too curmudgeonly to do such a thing. lol

Ha. Put a certificate in too.

But for me, unless someone delivers the type of quality that is present on the box set above, this is a pointless practice. Sooner or later, the content will be released elsewhere. We live in a world with thousands of options for film lovers. Different releases are a few clicks away from you.

Originally Posted by madmojo

At any rate, I'm tired of being negative and people snapping at me for one line at the end of a post.

People are not snapping at you for being negative. Just like I am entitled to have an opinion, you are entitled to have an opinion as well. And you are free to spend your money whichever way you choose.

People addressed your statement because what you stated in it was inaccurate. There is a big difference between facts and opinions.

Take care

Pro-B

[PowellPressburger]

You have to keep in mind TT is not Image, they are NOT Mill Creek / etc While maybe they could do more than 3,000 units if contracts were changed it is a gamble. They aren't rolling around in cash. Would you have ever seen a title like Nicholas and Alexandra released on BLU by another distributor? I highly doubt it. It isn't a sell out. Yet when it does sell out I don't think you will see that film beyond a download. So for all the bad mouthing of TT I would think Pro B of all people would welcome them. Instead I always see the price point and the limited edition issue.

Also I loved when IMAGE was releasing many SONY title but they barely release any SONY Blus, yeah we got Idle Hands, Peggy Sue got Married and some other titles. We all have SONY wish lists and there are PLENTY of titles to go around.

[Brad1963]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

You have to keep in mind TT is not Image, they are NOT Mill Creek / etc While maybe they could do more than 3,000 units if contracts were changed it is a gamble. They aren't rolling around in cash. Would you have ever seen a title like Nicholas and Alexandra released on BLU by another distributor? I highly doubt it. It isn't a sell out. Yet when it does sell out I don't think you will see that film beyond a download. So for all the bad mouthing of TT I would think Pro B of all people would welcome them. Instead I always see the price point and the limited edition issue.

Also I loved when IMAGE was releasing many SONY title but they barely release any SONY Blus, yeah we got Idle Hands, Peggy Sue got Married and some other titles. We all have SONY wish lists and there are PLENTY of titles to go around.

I agree. With the threat of streaming and downloads overtaking physical media I think we all should be happy about what we are getting. This may be the last time we will ever see any of these titles on a disc form.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

You have to keep in mind TT is not Image, they are NOT Mill Creek / etc While maybe they could do more than 3,000 units if contracts were changed it is a gamble.

Everything is a gamble in this market. But if you deliver quality, people will respond. But this whole argument that someone must keep something in mind after that someone could not get one of those limited titles is very hard to sell. But you can try to debate this issue with those who were not fortunate enough to get the likes of Fright Night.

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

They aren't rolling around in cash. Would you have ever seen a title like Nicholas and Alexandra released on BLU by another distributor?

What I do know is this: Anyone trying to guarantee that a certain film will never ever again appear on the marketplace is not to be trusted. And this has absolutely nothing to do with TT or any other company on the marketplace. It has to do with market reality. If there is demand, there will be supply. Simple.

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

Instead I always see the price point and the limited edition issue.

People are passionate about it, and I can't say that I don't understand why.

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

Also I loved when IMAGE was releasing many SONY title but they barely release any SONY Blus, yeah we got Idle Hands, Peggy Sue got Married and some other titles. We all have SONY wish lists and there are PLENTY of titles to go around.

The big Sony titles are available in multiple territories. One way or another, they would have appeared in the U.S. From Philadelphia to Oliver to As Good as It Gets.

The future will tell whether more Sony titles will be available elsewhere around the world.

Originally Posted by Brad1963

I agree. With the threat of streaming and downloads overtaking physical media I think we all should be happy about what we are getting. This may be the last time we will ever see any of these titles on a disc form.

There is no such threat of one taking over the other. The future of the market will be one of multiple choices for the consumer and multiple revenue streams for the content owners.

Pro-B

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by Brad1963

http://nixpixdvdmoviereviewsandmore.blogspot.ca/.

Interesting Nick Redman interview. Dated Today Sept. 3.

An amazingly honest and candid interview by Redman, which does answer many long-running questions about Twilight Time.

His insight into the inner workings of Hollywood's home video departments is illuminating but not unexpected.

[PowellPressburger]

Well I will continue to buy all the TT titles I like and if you don't like TT's business model how about you not buy any of their titles and move on to another thread and leave us TT lovers alone.

[Brad1963]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

There is no such threat of one taking over the other. The future of the market will be one of multiple choices for the consumer and multiple revenue streams for the content owners.

Pro-B

Yes, and no. The studios will cease catalog titles within the next few years. Sony and Paramount essentially have. Sony discontinued a large chunk of titles that appear to be going to Mill Creek, and Paramount is letting Warner distribute the catalog. I have close ties to 2 different studios and both say that Physical Media is dying and is not a priority to them. Not to say they will not release titles on disc but will most likely be New releases, essentials and franchises.

IMO we have to support Twilight Time, Shout, Olive, Kino, Mill Creek, Cohen Media, Criterion and any other indie company who is willing to release the titles that may otherwise be dismissed all together.

[jetthead]

Originally Posted by Brad1963

IMO we have to support Twilight Time, Shout, Olive, Kino, Mill Creek, Cohen Media, Criterion and any other indie company who is willing to release the titles that may otherwise be dismissed all together.

This is something that we should all be able to agree upon.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

Well I will continue to buy all the TT titles I like and if you don't like TT's business model how about you not buy any of their titles and move on to another thread and leave us TT lovers alone.

This isn't a thread for TT "lovers". It is a thread for people to discuss the films that get released by the company and the treatment they receive (this will include availability). And just like you are free to share your satisfaction with the community, others who have concerns should be free to express them.

Pro-B

[retablo]

Looking forward to "Bring Me The Head Of Alfredo Garcia"... as soon as it's announced.

[Badas]

Originally Posted by retablo

Looking forward to "Bring Me The Head Of Alfredo Garcia"... as soon as it's announced.

Just get the Italian version. Save some $$. I have it and it is great.

[SpartanIre]

I just don't get it... If someone is interested in a title, purchase it. I just do not buy the "I don't have the money this instant" argument. There are roughly 25 days from pre-order to shipment. Than you have another 25 days to pay off a credit card before interest is charged. This is almost two months. I get that some people may not be able to afford a certain purchase, I really do. But a $30-$35 title? 50 days to pay? Simply link your paypal to a credit card instead of a debit card. Even if the $35 title sits on your credit card for a full year at 15% interest that would be roughly $5.25. $40.25 (not counting shipping) for a year payment is not outlandish when one considers the alternative of purchasing the title on e-bay for $70+. Feel free to pile on - this is only an opinion and yours will more than likely not change mine...

[HyperRealist]

I'm probably the biggest idiot. I buy every TT blu-ray and I don't even watch them. lol The only one I have watched is The Big Heat. I'm a sucker for the "limited edition."

[bluknight1]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

I'm probably the biggest idiot. I buy every TT blu-ray and I don't even watch them. lol The only one I have watched is The Big Heat. I'm a sucker for the "limited edition."

Dive into them, you'll find some pretty fantastic stuff in there.

[jstxanothrxstory]

Has anyone ever done a comparison between the international releases and the TT releases?

[lcummins]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

...You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to have your own facts.

Here are some of them:

1. Olive Films do no charge "about as much as TT". One company's titles I could get on any given day for about as low as 15-16$, the other chargers 35+$...

Pro-B

Almost all TT releases are $29.95 but you list $35+ in several posts.