Twilight Time Discussion Thread - Page 318 - Blu-ray Forum

klauswhereareyou · 09-05-2013, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BarnDoor

Prince of the City is with Warner no? I think it's just Orion stuff that MGM owns.

Not entirely sure, it looks like it was a joint Orion/Warner venture.

I was just going off a page on Wikipedia about Orion films. I guess Warners did put out the DVD, so you're probably right.

jetthead · 09-05-2013, 08:04 PM

There are a lot of great UA films from the '30s, '40s, and '50s that I would love to see on Blu-ray.

Member-222782 · 09-05-2013, 08:06 PM

Well, if Criterion isn't doing THIEF I'd say it's a safe bet TT will. Would make a nice companion piece with THE DRIVER.

klauswhereareyou · 09-05-2013, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cine74

Well, if Criterion isn't doing THIEF I'd say it's a safe bet TT will. Would make a nice companion piece with THE DRIVER.

I'd greatly prefer a Criterion edition of Thief, but if they aren't going to do it I'd welcome a TT release. At least it's one where I'd actually listen to the isolated score.

baheidstu · 09-05-2013, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

Well I will continue to buy all the TT titles I like and if you don't like TT's business model how about you not buy any of their titles and move on to another thread and leave us TT lovers alone.

I don't consider myself a TT lover, I would say I am a TT "liker". I also will continue to buy all the TT titles I want but that doesn't mean that there are aspects of the way they do business that I am fully behind one hundred percent. I will continue to offer constructive criticism and hope that if they truly care about their customers they will listen to those criticisms. Having Body Double limited to 3 copies per customer right off the bat in an apparent attempt to stave off the scalpers seems like a step in the right direction inspired no doubt by the feedback they received about Fright Night and Christine.

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Originally Posted by SpartanIre

I just don't get it...

If someone is interested in a title, purchase it. I just do not buy the "I don't have the money this instant" argument. There are roughly 25 days from pre-order to shipment. Than you have another 25 days to pay off a credit card before interest is charged. This is almost two months. I get that some people may not be able to afford a certain purchase, I really do. But a $30-$35 title? 50 days to pay? Simply link your paypal to a credit card instead of a debit card. Even if the $35 title sits on your credit card for a full year at 15% interest that would be roughly $5.25. $40.25 (not counting shipping) for a year payment is not outlandish when one considers the alternative of purchasing the title on e-bay for $70+. Feel free to pile on - this is only an opinion and yours will more than likely not change mine...

I know this is stating the obvious but not everybody is in the same financial situation as you and while this example may work for you or make sense, it might not for somebody else. Even if someone has a credit card, making online purchases for blu-rays might not be what they want to use it for. Maybe they'd prefer to use Paypal credit to pay for these.

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Originally Posted by dumb_dutchman

I would love to see Rollerball (1975).

IMDB has it as MGM/UA for DVD. Not certain if that would fall under those guidelines or not.

I believe Rollerball was originally released by UA. If MGM/UA released the DVD then it does fall under the criteria. If it was a pre-86 MGM title, then Warner would be the company releasing (e.g. Wizard of Oz).

Buscemi · 09-05-2013, 09:26 PM

Prince of the City is with Warner Bros. A possible Blu-ray release would likely consist of the film uninterrupted (the DVD split it in two parts) and the featurette. Though I would love it if they got Treat Williams to do a commentary.

And Rollerball was a UA release.

spawningblue · 09-05-2013, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Blu Titan

Even when buying just one title, Olive is less than $18 and TT is $35. It is always more affordable to buy multiples from Olive. Four Olive titles for $64 and four TT titles for $130.

Exactly, either way they are half the price, less if you get them on sale. Twilight titles don't really go on sale.

widegambler2012 · 09-05-2013, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by baheidstu

If MGM/UA released the DVD then it does fall under the criteria. If it was a pre-86 MGM title, then Warner would be the company releasing (e.g. Wizard of Oz).

What about The Black Stallion (1979) I would love to see that film on Blu-ray. It was never released on DVD properly remastered

the dvd was released by MGM/FOX. yet its a pre-86 title. so who would release it?

P.S: their was an HD Master streaming on Netflix awhile back that looked great but they took it down and are only streaming the sequel now which isn't as great as the first I would Like to add both to my BD Collection even It $35 each I would still buy them.

Here's to hoping

Akijama · 09-05-2013, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by widegambler2012

What about The Black Stallion (1979) I would love to see that film on Blu-ray. It was never released on DVD properly remastered

the dvd was released by MGM/FOX. yet its a pre-86 title. so who would release it?

P.S: their was an HD Master streaming on Netflix awhile back that looked great but they took it down and are only streaming the sequel now which isn't as great as the first I would Like to add both to my BD Collection even It $35 each I would still buy them.

Here's to hoping

MGM would be handling. So, yeah, it's a possibility for TT.

joie · 09-05-2013, 10:02 PM

Reading the latest Redman interview, isn't the reason given for Twilight Times' name different than the reason given in an earlier interview? Earlier, wasn't it said that the name came because it's "twilight time" for physical media?

Somewhere there is a link to a previous interview.

Buscemi · 09-05-2013, 10:05 PM

I think the only people who really see streaming as the future are the studios (because it's their way of manipulating the buyers and increasing profits). If streaming hurts anything, it's the television industry (look at how Netflix has been striking deals with nearly every movie studio it seems like) while it manages to be a new form of the rental industry.

Meanwhile, Blu-ray sales are up and DVD seems to holding on.

Akijama · 09-05-2013, 10:10 PM

2-3 titles from the following list will be released on blu next year, as confirmed by Nick Redman on other forum.

[Show spoiler]

Bolder ones would be my choices

tama · 09-05-2013, 10:19 PM

All are great titles. Dammit. Would love for Barefoot Contessa, Witness for the Prosecution, Birdman from Alcatraz, and The Train personally.

octagon · 09-05-2013, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by joie

Reading the latest Redman interview, isn't the reason given for Twilight Times' name different than the reason given in an earlier interview? Earlier, wasn't it said that the name came because it's "twilight time" for physical media?

Somewhere there is a link to a previous interview.

Dec 2011

Quote:

Physical media is coming to an end, which is why we called the label Twilight Time. I mean that was the joke: it’s Twilight Time. The sun is setting on the world of physical media. This is what it’s about. This is the last go-round--this is the end of home video as we have known it up to now.

Sept 2013

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Nick Redman - “Yes. Twilight Time was actually born out of that financial crash. When I first proposed the project, Danny Hersch, our mastering engineer, just looked at me and said ‘You’re going to lose your shirt. It’s going to be twilight time for you!’ I thought that was pretty poetic so that’s how the company got its name. But recession or not, it just felt right to me; a happy accident and a logical extension of the work I had been doing at Fox.

A lot of people are backing away from/modifying the death knells they were ringing for physical media. It's still right around the corner, of course. The corner just keeps moving.

Paul.R.S · 09-05-2013, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Akijama

2-3 titles from the following list will be released on blu next year, as confirmed by Nick Redman on other forum.

[Show spoiler]

Bolder ones would be my choices

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Originally Posted by tama

All are great titles. Dammit. Would love for Barefoot Contessa, Witness for the Prosecution, Birdman from Alcatraz, and The Train personally.

+1 re Witness For the Prosecution. Have been hanging on to my DVD knowing that it is extremely unlike that Fox (distribbing MGM currently) is going to release it on BD.

~~Is this a new development or old news that I've simply missed (too many threads to keep up with) that TT is being approached by/is pursuing titles from MGM (Fox)?~~ Old news/my mistake.

jetthead · 09-05-2013, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Akijama

2-3 titles from the following list will be released on blu next year, as confirmed by Nick Redman on other forum.

[Show spoiler]

Bolder ones would be my choices

The Woman in the Window is a terrific film! I want it badly!

Please make it so!

duggie walker · 09-05-2013, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Akijama

2-3 titles from the following list will be released on blu next year, as confirmed by Nick Redman on other forum.

[Show spoiler]

Bolder ones would be my choices

Well we know THUNDERBOLT AND LIGHTFOOT is coming in the UK and SOUTHERN COMFORT has already been released, so there are HD masters for them. VALDEZ IS COMING has been shown in HD. So I think they're the most likely.

Love to see the Wilders though.

KRW1 · 09-05-2013, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by octagon

A lot of people are backing away from/modifying the death knells they were ringing for physical media. It's still right around the corner, of course. The corner just keeps moving.

It's been right around the corner since 1995. Here in the UK, the sodding cassette tape is making a little revival for itself. Me, a solid vinyl buyer, didn't see that one coming, dreadful format.

As one segment of the market turns towards streaming and MP3, another, smaller, hard-core segment is rediscovering the joys of something well packaged and permanent and a lot more fun than clicking on a box.

Brad1963 · 09-05-2013, 11:42 PM

RE: ORION PICTURES

Almost all of Orion's post-1982 releases, as well as most of the AIP and Filmways backlogs and all of the television output originally produced and distributed by Orion Television, now bear the MGM name. However, in most cases, the 1980s Orion logo has been retained or added, in the case of the Filmways and AIP libraries.

Most ancillary rights to Orion's back catalog from the 1978–1982 joint venture period remain with Warner Bros., including such movies as 10 (1979), Caddyshack (1980), Arthur (1981), Excalibur (1981), and Prince of the City (1981). Some post-1982 films originally released by Orion - Lionheart (1987), The Unbearable Lightness of Being (1984) and Amadeus (1984) (the latter two being Saul Zaentz productions) - are currently distributed by Warner Bros. as well. WB also owns video distribution rights to Three Amigos (1986) on behalf of sister company HBO, which co-produced the film and owns pay-TV rights. However, MGM owns all other rights and the film's copyright

Woody Allen's films A Midsummer Night's Sex Comedy (1982) and Zelig (1983) are the only Orion films from the original joint venture period now owned by MGM. Orion releases produced by the Hemdale Film Corporation and Nelson Entertainment are included in MGM's library as well, and are incorporated into the Orion library. MGM did not acquire the Hemdale films, however, (which includes The Terminator, Hoosiers, and Platoon) until it bought the Epic Productions library in 1998. The Nelson films (including the Bill & Ted films) were not acquired until MGM bought the pre-1996 library of PolyGram Filmed Entertainment, Nelson's successor-in-interest, although the television and digital rights to certain films are now held by Paramount Pictures, with television syndication handled on behalf of Paramount by Trifecta Entertainment & Media.

Many of the film and television holdings of The Samuel Goldwyn Company have now also been incorporated into the Orion library (with ownership currently held by MGM), and the copyright on some of this material is held by Orion, except The New Adventures of Flipper now carries the MGM Television Entertainment copyright.

RE: MGM/UA TODAY - What they own and what Warner has rights to.

The United Artists film library which includes the James Bond Films, early Woody Allen, Pink Panther Series and Rocky.

Currently, the Turner Entertainment Co. unit of Time Warner owns the rights to nearly all of the pre-May 1986 MGM film and television library, with Warner Bros. handling distribution. Turner acquired the MGM library during its brief ownership of the company in 1986. For some time after the sale, MGM continued to handle home video distribution of its films; those rights were reassigned to Warner Home Video in 1999.

Through its purchases of many different companies and film and television libraries, including Orion Pictures, The Samuel Goldwyn Company, and PolyGram Filmed Entertainment, MGM has greatly enhanced its film and TV holdings.

In 2012, UK company Park Circus assumed worldwide re-issue distribution rights to the library on behalf of MGM.

larrys · 09-05-2013, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akijama

2-3 titles from the following list will be released on blu next year, as confirmed by Nick Redman on other forum.

[Show spoiler]

Bolder ones would be my choices

I read Redman's comments at hometheaterforum.com.

My choices would be The Train, Thunderbolt & Lightfoot and In the Heat of the Night. All would be upgrades from current DVDs I have. The Train and Thunderbolt aren't even anamorphic. In the Heat of the Night is a Best Picture winner....kind of hard to believe it's never been released on blu.

I have TW Cable and I get the MGM HD channel. For what it's worth, I've seen The Train, Thunderbolt & Lightfoot and In the Heat of the Night on that channel several times over the last few years. In fact, it's the only way I've watched those 3 movies since I bought my blu ray player back in 2008. I can't stand watching non-anamorphic DVDs anymore. I have to believe they have HD masters of those 3.

09-05-2013, 11:42 PM	#6359
Brad1963 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Los Angeles, CA 4K collection:344 Blu-ray collection:1670 DVD collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 1	RE: ORION PICTURES Almost all of Orion's post-1982 releases, as well as most of the AIP and Filmways backlogs and all of the television output originally produced and distributed by Orion Television, now bear the MGM name. However, in most cases, the 1980s Orion logo has been retained or added, in the case of the Filmways and AIP libraries. Most ancillary rights to Orion's back catalog from the 1978–1982 joint venture period remain with Warner Bros., including such movies as 10 (1979), Caddyshack (1980), Arthur (1981), Excalibur (1981), and Prince of the City (1981). Some post-1982 films originally released by Orion - Lionheart (1987), The Unbearable Lightness of Being (1984) and Amadeus (1984) (the latter two being Saul Zaentz productions) - are currently distributed by Warner Bros. as well. WB also owns video distribution rights to Three Amigos (1986) on behalf of sister company HBO, which co-produced the film and owns pay-TV rights. However, MGM owns all other rights and the film's copyright Woody Allen's films A Midsummer Night's Sex Comedy (1982) and Zelig (1983) are the only Orion films from the original joint venture period now owned by MGM. Orion releases produced by the Hemdale Film Corporation and Nelson Entertainment are included in MGM's library as well, and are incorporated into the Orion library. MGM did not acquire the Hemdale films, however, (which includes The Terminator, Hoosiers, and Platoon) until it bought the Epic Productions library in 1998. The Nelson films (including the Bill & Ted films) were not acquired until MGM bought the pre-1996 library of PolyGram Filmed Entertainment, Nelson's successor-in-interest, although the television and digital rights to certain films are now held by Paramount Pictures, with television syndication handled on behalf of Paramount by Trifecta Entertainment & Media. Many of the film and television holdings of The Samuel Goldwyn Company have now also been incorporated into the Orion library (with ownership currently held by MGM), and the copyright on some of this material is held by Orion, except The New Adventures of Flipper now carries the MGM Television Entertainment copyright. RE: MGM/UA TODAY - What they own and what Warner has rights to. The United Artists film library which includes the James Bond Films, early Woody Allen, Pink Panther Series and Rocky. Currently, the Turner Entertainment Co. unit of Time Warner owns the rights to nearly all of the pre-May 1986 MGM film and television library, with Warner Bros. handling distribution. Turner acquired the MGM library during its brief ownership of the company in 1986. For some time after the sale, MGM continued to handle home video distribution of its films; those rights were reassigned to Warner Home Video in 1999. Through its purchases of many different companies and film and television libraries, including Orion Pictures, The Samuel Goldwyn Company, and PolyGram Filmed Entertainment, MGM has greatly enhanced its film and TV holdings. In 2012, UK company Park Circus assumed worldwide re-issue distribution rights to the library on behalf of MGM. Last edited by Brad1963; 09-05-2013 at 11:50 PM.

09-05-2013, 08:04 PM	#6342
jetthead Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Ohio USA 4K collection:29 Blu-ray collection:2101 DVD collection:39 Trading Score:10	There are a lot of great UA films from the '30s, '40s, and '50s that I would love to see on Blu-ray.

09-05-2013, 08:06 PM	#6343
Member-222782 Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Jun 2012 4K collection:645 Blu-ray collection:4556 DVD collection:474 Trading Score:140	Well, if Criterion isn't doing THIEF I'd say it's a safe bet TT will. Would make a nice companion piece with THE DRIVER.

09-05-2013, 09:26 PM	#6346
Buscemi Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Aug 2013 4K collection:10 Blu-ray collection:3837	Prince of the City is with Warner Bros. A possible Blu-ray release would likely consist of the film uninterrupted (the DVD split it in two parts) and the featurette. Though I would love it if they got Treat Williams to do a commentary. And Rollerball was a UA release.

09-05-2013, 10:02 PM	#6350
joie Special Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2011 Blu-ray collection:1 DVD collection:1	Reading the latest Redman interview, isn't the reason given for Twilight Times' name different than the reason given in an earlier interview? Earlier, wasn't it said that the name came because it's "twilight time" for physical media? Somewhere there is a link to a previous interview.

09-05-2013, 10:05 PM	#6351
Buscemi Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Aug 2013 4K collection:10 Blu-ray collection:3837	I think the only people who really see streaming as the future are the studios (because it's their way of manipulating the buyers and increasing profits). If streaming hurts anything, it's the television industry (look at how Netflix has been striking deals with nearly every movie studio it seems like) while it manages to be a new form of the rental industry. Meanwhile, Blu-ray sales are up and DVD seems to holding on.

09-05-2013, 10:10 PM	#6352
Akijama Banned Top contributor Member since:Oct 2011	2-3 titles from the following list will be released on blu next year, as confirmed by Nick Redman on other forum. [Show spoiler] Bolder ones would be my choices

09-05-2013, 10:19 PM	#6353
tama Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Nov 2010 Location:San Jose, CA 4K collection:689 Blu-ray collection:1233	All are great titles. Dammit. Would love for Barefoot Contessa, Witness for the Prosecution, Birdman from Alcatraz, and The Train personally.

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