Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[Buscemi]

My picks would be Southern Comfort, One Two Three and Coming Home. I'd be surprised if Fox gave up The Birdcage (seeing how successful that one was at the box office).

Also, I'd love to see a full-blown special edition of The Birdcage (with the hours of unused footage and hopefully a commentary by Paul Thomas Anderson on his love of the film*).


* - Yes. The Birdcage is one of Paul Thomas Anderson's favorite films.

[lemonski]

Originally Posted by Buscemi

I think the only people who really see streaming as the future are the studios (because it's their way of manipulating the buyers and increasing profits). If streaming hurts anything, it's the television industry (look at how Netflix has been striking deals with nearly every movie studio it seems like) while it manages to be a new form of the rental industry.

Meanwhile, Blu-ray sales are up and DVD seems to holding on.

+1

As I've said before, this "death of physical media" is complete bollocks. I was in looking at a couple of 4K TV's today (just out of curiousity), one from Sony and another from Samsung. These guys want to develop 4K so they can sell more TV sets to a saturating market; same with the rest of the CE industry who need to keep technology turning over to sell new product. Streaming will always be behind physical media in terms of bandwidth availability, don't have any idea how they expect to deliver a *quality* 4K + audio when they're having enough trouble with standard HD.

[SpartanIre]

Originally Posted by Akijama

2-3 titles from the following list will be released on blu next year, as confirmed by Nick Redman on other forum.

[Show spoiler]The Train (Frankenhaimer)

One, Two, Three (Wilder)

Thunderbolt & Lightfoot (Cimino)

Southern Comfort (Hill)

From Noon Til Three (Gilroy)

Breakhart Pass (Gries)

Irma La Douce (Wilder)

The Fortune Cookie (Wilder)

The Barefoot Contessa (Mankiewicz)

Birdman of Alcatraz (Frankenheimer)

Witness for the Prosecution (Wilder)

Mississippi Burning (Parker)

In the Heat of the Night (Jewison)

Coming Home (Ashby)

Bound for Glory (Ashby)

Thieves Like Us (Altman)

The Birdcage (Nichols)

Dillinger (Hill)

Trapeze (Reed)

Valdez is Coming (Sherin)

The Woman in the Window (Lang)

Bolder ones would be my choices

Ooooohhhhhh - Mississippi Burning and In the Heat of the Night Please!!!! Cannot go wrong with the Hackman or Poitier!

[Edward J Grug III]

Originally Posted by SpartanIre

Ooooohhhhhh - Mississippi Burning and In the Heat of the Night Please!!!! Cannot go wrong with the Hackman or Poitier!

I dunno - Poitier directed Ghost Dad...

[neoz]

Can't wait for this one.

Birdman of Alcatraz (Frankenheimer)

[captveg]

I can see them timing The Train with the video release of Clooney's Monuments Men.

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[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by neoz

Can't wait for this one.

Birdman of Alcatraz (Frankenheimer)

That was the movie which piqued my interest.

[Musicguy]

One, Two, Three

Wilder, Cagney, one of the best!

[Arkadin]

wow!!
the UA catalog is one of the last great classic outposts that hasn't been properly mined so here's hoping TT mines the crap out of it.
soooooo many amazing titles that could be released.
WOO-HOO!

[BarnDoor]

Southern Comfort seems a cert given TT's history of Walter Hill releases and a hi-def master being available.

Otherwise I'm hoping for The Train, Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, Birdman of Alcatraz, Witness for the Prosecution, Mississippi Burning, In the Heat of the Night, or Coming Home.

I love The Birdcage but as someone said I'd like a special edition release of that, with the TV scenes included.

[Member-222782]

People seem to forget that the major studios were ALWAYS against the proliferation of home video, from day 1. Sure, it made them money, but they just weren't in love with the idea of regular people owning personal copies of their films. With technology always improving and products getting better and better (VHS to Laserdisc to DVD to BD) just about anyone could own pristine copies of not just movies but TV shows. I'm sure the latter was even more of a headache for the studios as more and more people buying entire seasons of TV shows meant the profits from syndication weren't as big. Why would anyone watch a rerun on some cable channel, where everything is compressed for time and there are commercials every 6 minutes when they could watch the show at their own leisure and uninterrupted.

So, yeah, the studios won't mind if the day comes when there's nothing physical to sell to consumers. But that day will never come as long as there are people left who want to buy their favorite movies and shows on a disc.

[Arkadin]

Birdman of Alcatraz
The Train
Coming Home
Woman in the Window

not on the list, but UA films

They Shoot Horses Don't They?
The Defiant Ones
Topkapi
A Funny Thing Happened On the Way to the Forum
The Way West
Billion Dollar Brain
Lilies of the Field
Lenny
The Missouri Breaks



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[JoeDeM]

Originally Posted by Akijama

2-3 titles from the following list will be released on blu next year, as confirmed by Nick Redman on other forum.

[Show spoiler]The Train (Frankenhaimer)

One, Two, Three (Wilder)

Thunderbolt & Lightfoot (Cimino)

Southern Comfort (Hill)

From Noon Til Three (Gilroy)

Breakhart Pass (Gries)

Irma La Douce (Wilder)

The Fortune Cookie (Wilder)

The Barefoot Contessa (Mankiewicz)

Birdman of Alcatraz (Frankenheimer)

Witness for the Prosecution (Wilder)

Mississippi Burning (Parker)

In the Heat of the Night (Jewison)

Coming Home (Ashby)

Bound for Glory (Ashby)

Thieves Like Us (Altman)

The Birdcage (Nichols)

Dillinger (Hill)

Trapeze (Reed)

Valdez is Coming (Sherin)

The Woman in the Window (Lang)

Bolder ones would be my choices

that's a good list I would buy quite a few of those, for sure all the Wilder & Frankenhaimer ones

[Thomas Veil]

I thought I saw something in the Criterion thread a while back about a Thunderbolt and Lightfoot release from them in the future

[LucasM2012]

Originally Posted by cine74

People seem to forget that the major studios were ALWAYS against the proliferation of home video, from day 1. Sure, it made them money, but they just weren't in love with the idea of regular people owning personal copies of their films. With technology always improving and products getting better and better (VHS to Laserdisc to DVD to BD) just about anyone could own pristine copies of not just movies but TV shows. I'm sure the latter was even more of a headache for the studios as more and more people buying entire seasons of TV shows meant the profits from syndication weren't as big. Why would anyone watch a rerun on some cable channel, where everything is compressed for time and there are commercials every 6 minutes when they could watch the show at their own leisure and uninterrupted.

So, yeah, the studios won't mind if the day comes when there's nothing physical to sell to consumers. But that day will never come as long as there are people left who want to buy their favorite movies and shows on a disc.

I agree with the above. Since I don't recall anyone else mentioning these in this thread (or anywhere I've looked on Blu-ray.com), I'll add my two thoughts to the discussion.

Switching from hard media to digital copies or downloads would mean rather substantial savings for companies. If they can charge the same (or more) for digital downloads (look on iTunes, everyone), then why would they want to perpetuate keeping all the factories humming pressing discs and printing inserts, and paying for cases for the discs, the assembly of all the parts, the labeling and cellophane outer wrappers, then getting them to the distribution outlets, and dealing with returns of defective product, etc.?

Plus there is a factor present with physical media that does not - can not - happen with digital copies/downloads or streaming: since there is no physical copy of a film/TV series, consumers cannot resell them if they no longer want them, so the studios get to sell direct to everyone who wants one. That easily translates to more profit. Because if you decide you don't like the film or TV series any longer, well, you're out of luck: no more eBay or Amazon Marketplace to sell yours, potentially at a profit if it's gone out of print, but even for a dollar or two otherwise. And no more bargains for second-hand items. You either cough up full price to the studios or you don't get it.

I can't believe that the studios haven't thought of these things and factored them into their future plans. [I mean, seriously, I remember the CD companies in the 80s wanting to outlaw CD resale shops, with Billy Ray Cyrus making a big stink wanting it to be illegal to resell CDs. (My thought to him at the time was, "make something people will actually want to actually keep and you won't have the problem of people reselling your stuff when (not 'if') they get sick of it." )]

[Egbert Souse]

MGM never owned the Samuel Goldwyn library - they only licensed it from Goldwyn's estate. It's currently under license to Warner Bros after years of MGM having video rights.

MGM does seem to still have the license to the ABC Films library from Disney, as well as a few older iTV films (The Ghoul, The Lodger, Young & Innocent, and Sabotage). Although, I think all of them are OOP by now.

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by LucasM2012

Plus there is a factor present with physical media that does not - can not - happen with digital copies/downloads or streaming: since there is no physical copy of a film/TV series, consumers cannot resell them if they no longer want them, so the studios get to sell direct to everyone who wants one. That easily translates to more profit. Because if you decide you don't like the film or TV series any longer, well, you're out of luck: no more eBay or Amazon Marketplace to sell yours, potentially at a profit if it's gone out of print, but even for a dollar or two otherwise. And no more bargains for second-hand items. You either cough up full price to the studios or you don't get it.

I can't believe that the studios haven't thought of these things and factored them into their future plans. [I mean, seriously, I remember the CD companies in the 80s wanting to outlaw CD resale shops, with Billy Ray Cyrus making a big stink wanting it to be illegal to resell CDs. (My thought to him at the time was, "make something people will actually want to actually keep and you won't have the problem of people reselling your stuff when (not 'if') they get sick of it." )]

The studio executives have been dreaming about that scenario since the DVD market began its decline. The ultimate dream is to train the consumer market into accepting a perpetual pay-per-view model in which each viewing leads to revenue. This was obviously not possible with the lack of control the studios had over physical media, once it was sold to the consumer.

In a strange twist of fate, it appears unlimited streaming will likely end up being the market solution instead of pay-per-download.

[klauswhereareyou]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

The studio executives have been dreaming about that scenario since the DVD market began its decline. The ultimate dream is to train the consumer market into accepting a perpetual pay-per-view model in which each viewing leads to revenue. This was obviously not possible with the lack of control the studios had over physical media, once it was sold to the consumer.

In a strange twist of fate, it appears unlimited streaming will likely end up being the market solution instead of pay-per-download.

This wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if the studios could all agree on one standard streaming site/service instead of forcing customers to subscribe or go through many different sites in order to have access to the film or films they want to see. The nightmare scenerio is that someone would need a Netflix, Amazon, I-Tunes, Warner Archive, etc. etc. accounts or memberships in order to have access to this stuff they actually want to see if there are no physical media options.

[Mr.Dig]

Please,Twilight Time! Breakheart Pass would be awesome on blu-ray!

[cavesailor]

Originally Posted by SpartanIre

Ooooohhhhhh - Mississippi Burning and In the Heat of the Night Please!!!! Cannot go wrong with the Hackman or Poitier!

+1 for In The Heat of the Night. " They call me Mr. Tibbs" It is in the AFI's top 100.