Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[grape_jelly]

Pre-ordered The Front, and Crimes and Misdemeanors

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[jayembee]

Originally Posted by Aclea

If you ignore their completely extras-free Eclipse range (often of films that have plenty of extras in other territories) and extras-free releases like Kapo, Gervaise, Sword of Doom, Lights of Variety, Mayerling, Le Trou... Admittedly all DVDs, but some will probably eventually turn up equally barebones on BD.

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

They have two price points, $29.99 MSRP and $39.99 MSRP. The $39.99 MSRP are almost universally loaded with features, only the $29.99 ones are lacking.

Originally Posted by Aclea

You mean the ones with the same price point as Twilight Time?

Three of those titles (Kapò, Gervaise, and Mayerling only exist as "Essential Art House" titles, which had an MSRP of $19.95.

[Yojimbo]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

Isolated score + trailer *IS* barebones. Even the few barebones Criterion's generally don't get any lower than having a commentary and trailer.

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

You already pointed out that Criterion is more frequently available for much less than MSRP, but even if they weren't. They have two price points, $29.99 MSRP and $39.99 MSRP. The $39.99 MSRP are almost universally loaded with features, only the $29.99 ones are lacking.

Of the Criterions with the $30 price point, Gate of Hell, Letter Never Sent, Summer Interlude, and Jubal have nothing but the booklet. Not even a trailer. The rest of them have included a trailer and maybe an interview and that's it. I don't want anyone to get me wrong here...I love Criterion and have dozens of them. I am in no way knocking them at all, nor am I unhappy that those Criterions are barebones. Special features are not even a big deal to me. I'm just happy that I have the films in general. I was simply making a comparison of the price of both companies' blu-rays vs. the amount of special features included. Merely an observation due to the fact that atfree mentioned Criterion in his above post and that they include extras, though as I've pointed out, not always.

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

Of course, they've come a long way since then. I knew they were starting to port over a bunch of DVD extras, and actually looking at that list they've done more than I thought (hell I have some of those releases and didn't even realize there were extras on them). I would say they are at least on par with what the studios would likely be putting out themselves - since studios don't do much than port DVD extras anyway.

Yea, I was actually pretty surprised at how much special features they actually had when I compiled the list. My main point was that Twilight Time gets a little more flack over special features than they deserve, at least in my opinion.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Yojimbo

Of the Criterions with the $30 price point, Gate of Hell, Letter Never Sent, Summer Interlude, and Jubal have nothing but the booklet.

All four of the '$30' BDs you listed are currently selling for $19 and change at Amazon.

I'm just saying.

[rock, stone]

Originally Posted by octagon

All four of the '$30' BDs you listed are currently selling for $19 and change at Amazon.

I'm just saying.

Yeah, I don't understand where the disconnect is whenever the concept of MSRP for CC vs the way TT enforces their chosen price point.

[iamnoone]

Every niche Blu/DVD company out there from now on has to price every title they release at exactly the same price as every other niche company prices theirs, and none of them can have any more or any less extras than the others or they will be criticized. That seems like the only scenario for peace.

I love Twilight Time, flaws and all. I also love Criterion, flaws and all. I'll never understand why Criterion left off the VERY COOL trailer on their SISTERS dvd years ago when the trailer was readily available on many PD trailer comps and why they didn't include the trailers on their DAYS OF HEAVEN releases (even though it was on Paramount's old DVD) and no trailer on ROSEMARY'S BABY, etc. - but with Paramount, they can call the shots so who knows what was going on there. But I still loved Criterion's releases of those and didn't go on a tirade against the company. No company is perfect, and TT is relatively new comparative to Criterion and others. I enjoy seeing TT's new acquisitions every month and feel confident that at least 90% of their titles will be great. The NOTLD transfer was the only really messed-up transfer I've seen from them, but let's not get back into that. I haven't opened up my TITUS yet, but I'm keeping it regardless. As long as it's better than the DVD, in even a marginal way, that's good enough for me, especially hearing why there would most likely never be anything better considering the film's history. And at least it hasn't had a revisionist blue tint thrown over the whole film.

If TITUS ends up being a small misstep, that's all it really is. I have a lot of DVDs and Blus in my collection that aren't perfect. And if the $30 price tag comes up again, cost is in the value of the buyer only. Some think $30 is too high for this. I don't. Spend your money as you wish. And enjoy the ones you buy! And let others enjoy theirs. It's all good.

[themoviefanatic]

what is TT or SAE ,return policy on open movies?

[LucasM2012]

Originally Posted by iamnoone

If TITUS ends up being a small misstep, that's all it really is. I have a lot of DVDs and Blus in my collection that aren't perfect. And if the $30 price tag comes up again, cost is in the value of the buyer only. Some think $30 is too high for this. I don't. Spend your money as you wish. And enjoy the ones you buy! And let others enjoy theirs. It's all good.

I agreed with most everything you wrote. Personally, I used to pay $35 for laserdiscs which didn't have remotely the picture and sound quality blus do (granted, they were state of the art at the time). There were even a few laserdiscs I got CAV versions of (sometimes Criterion, other times not) and paid $100 for those (and $100 20-30 years ago was worth considerably more than today).

As you say: the value is what it is to the buyer. For the Harryhausen films just released, $30 per wasn't even a second thought for me. And, when I first learned of TT - after Mysterious Island had sold out - it was, actually, only a brief consideration before I paid an investor $92 for a copy.

[GueroX4]

does it usually take them awhile to ship? my orders been pending for a week

[RipleyLV426]

Originally Posted by Slikkbradd

what is TT or SAE ,return policy on open movies?

You can email them. Thankfully i read the bad reviews from everyone on here before I opened it, and they said they'll give me a full refund including shipping I paid both ways!

[Keyser Soze.]

Originally Posted by LucasM2012

I agreed with most everything you wrote. Personally, I used to pay $35 for laserdiscs which didn't have remotely the picture and sound quality blus do (granted, they were state of the art at the time). There were even a few laserdiscs I got CAV versions of (sometimes Criterion, other times not) and paid $100 for those (and $100 20-30 years ago was worth considerably more than today).

As you say: the value is what it is to the buyer. For the Harryhausen films just released, $30 per wasn't even a second thought for me. And, when I first learned of TT - after Mysterious Island had sold out - it was, actually, only a brief consideration before I paid an investor $92 for a copy.

Exactly.

Hell, I too remember paying nearly $150 for a CAV copy of Akira on laserdisc.

[themoviefanatic]

Originally Posted by LucasM2012

I agreed with most everything you wrote. Personally, I used to pay $35 for laserdiscs which didn't have remotely the picture and sound quality blus do (granted, they were state of the art at the time). There were even a few laserdiscs I got CAV versions of (sometimes Criterion, other times not) and paid $100 for those (and $100 20-30 years ago was worth considerably more than today).

As you say: the value is what it is to the buyer. For the Harryhausen films just released, $30 per wasn't even a second thought for me. And, when I first learned of TT - after Mysterious Island had sold out - it was, actually, only a brief consideration before I paid an investor $92 for a copy.

that's clever i like that. i am in 100% agreement with you

[Yojimbo]

Originally Posted by octagon

All four of the '$30' BDs you listed are currently selling for $19 and change at Amazon.

I'm just saying.

I realize that. I'm just talking strictly SRP and sale prices not being taken into account. As I stated before, my main point in the above list was just to show that Twilight Time releases have more special features than people give credit for. I'm not knocking Criterion at all, for the record. I love me some Criterions.

[Aclea]

Originally Posted by rock, stone

Yeah, I don't understand where the disconnect is whenever the concept of MSRP for CC vs the way TT enforces their chosen price point.

And some of us don't understand where the disconnect is over the false assumption that every Criterion release has extras and every Twilight Time release supposedly doesn't, even when several of the latter have more extras than the DVD releases. Yet still people keep on trotting out the same claim.

[oildude]

I am trying to decide which of these choices I find the least annoying:

A) Having my nads pounded flat with a mallet.

B) Reading another post on the Twilght Time thread about how much laserdiscs cost back in the day.


I choose A.

[balthazar_bee]

It's every bit as annoying for those of us with a sense of perspective to read page after page of the same complaints that, at best, come off as "highly frugal" in the context of high-end home theatre discussions.

I'm not an elitist when it comes to my equipment -- I've got a five-year-old 46" Panny plasma and a Bose 2.1 sound system -- but when someone with, say, five hundred or a thousand blu-rays is read repeated bemoaning the purchase price of a $30 movie, maybe said person needs to examine whether they actually want to own said movie or are simply locked into a pattern of purchasing as many blu-rays as possible.

I mean, say what you will about laser discs, but man, you didn't buy one unless you really, really wanted it. And $30 was barely the tip of the LD pricing iceberg.

[Member-222782]

I just find it funny, not so much annoying, whenever I read complaints about prices. Like the guy who said he skipped Criterion's terrific release of IAMMMMW because he couldn't justify the price and opted instead for a $5 Walmart version. This was a guy who has 1200+ Blu-ray collection containing a sizeable number of classics. Talk about frugal.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by cine74

I just find it funny, not so much annoying, whenever I read complaints about prices. Like the guy who said he skipped Criterion's terrific release of IAMMMMW because he couldn't justify the price and opted instead for a $5 Walmart version. This was a guy who has 1200+ Blu-ray collection containing a sizeable number of classics. Talk about frugal.

as my financial planner says. people who stay wealthy are not the ones with a high cash flow. it's the ones who understand that you don't spend more money that you absolutely have to for what you want in life

[Yojimbo]

Originally Posted by oildude

I am trying to decide which of these choices I find the least annoying:

A) Having my nads pounded flat with a mallet.

B) Reading another post on the Twilght Time thread about how much laserdiscs cost back in the day.


I choose A.

Hilarious. Thank you for that.

[rock, stone]

Originally Posted by Aclea

And some of us don't understand where the disconnect is over the false assumption that every Criterion release has extras and every Twilight Time release supposedly doesn't, even when several of the latter have more extras than the DVD releases. Yet still people keep on trotting out the same claim.

I would hazard a guess that has something to do with TT planting their flag, early and aggressively, that they were 35 dollars and an isolated score FULL STOP.

Honestly, even though it's been more than a year since TT started to include some extras on certain releases, it takes a long time to turn a boat.

Or to put it another way, CC has branded themselves as the label of bonus features, while TT has branded themselves as the the label without them.