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Old 02-15-2014, 06:07 PM   #8961
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Discussion of homoeroticism and repressed homosexuality in Cimino's films is hardly new. Search the web for "Tightass and ********er" by Peter Biskind. The article (written in 1974) claims that the film is significant for "its frank and undisguised contempt for heterosexuality" while playing up the homoerotic overtones. If people were noticing it in 1974, there must be something to it. Through my university, I found several similar articles about TAL as well as Cimino's other films. I was particularly amused by an article from 1979 which discusses repressed homosexuality in relation to The Deer Hunter. The title is "Stalking Young Bucks."
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Old 02-15-2014, 06:39 PM   #8962
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. . . . The cases where that analysis is just a gimmick will fade quickly, just flashes in the pan, and the ones that will stick are the ones where such an analysis unexpectedly does fit the elements of the film (e.g., Manohla Dargis' IMO very accurate observation of This Means War that all the plot and chemistry suggests that it's the two men who were in love and the woman was a superfluous addition). In short, it comes down to doing good research and having a real insight vs. throwing a half-baked idea out to the public and judging its worth on the reaction it garners, and it all sorts itself out.
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Queer theory is really just another academic fad. It's not much different from previous trends, like gender film theory, psychoanalytic film theory, or structuralist-marxist film theory, in that it is too often infused with a political agenda, IMO.
Not so much. And "fad" is an inappropriate descriptor. By definition, a "fad" comes and goes. You/some may not like it/them, but all of the critical approaches you mention are here to stay for any/all interested in critical/cultural studies to have in their "toolbox."
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Old 02-15-2014, 07:10 PM   #8963
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Considering Michael Cimino's, uhh, transformations over the years you'd really have no choice but to at least consider a homosexual subtext over his entire filmography.

Now here's hoping TT can get their hands on Year of the Dragon and Desperate Hours, two films that got a ton of replay from me on VHS back in the day.
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Old 02-15-2014, 07:56 PM   #8964
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Not so much. And "fad" is an inappropriate descriptor. By definition, a "fad" comes and goes. You/some may not like it/them, but all of the critical approaches you mention are here to stay for any/all interested in critical/cultural studies to have in their "toolbox."
Precisely.

I think the reason you see so much of it is because while gay writers, directors, and actors have been part of the Hollywood landscape since the beginning, it's only a fairly recent occurrence where such themes don't have to be hidden in subtext. They've always been there, but since they had to be "hidden" it can be tough to determine what was and was not intentional, vs. what can be interpreted on the screen.

I mean, look at an obvious example of Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. In the play, it's pretty much spelled out that Brick was gay. But I have no doubt that most of middle-America who went to see Elizabeth Taylor and Paul Newman in the film just thought Brick was distraught about his "buddy" dying. When you have a film where the undisputed intention was to portray a closeted gay man, it's not hard to see why when it actually was subtext folks have to dig a bit deep to find it.

Then there is also "who's intention was it?" as so many folks have their hands in the making of a motion picture. Sal Mineo was clearly making go-go-eyes at James Dean - but was that the actor, or something in the text? Personally, in that case, I think it's both - but it's going to be left to interpretation.

Another example from a film on the total other end of the spectrum is Nightmare on Elm Street 2. For years, many fans railed against any suggestion of such. Now, though, there is a really nice and frank discussion of this in the Never Sleep Again documentary and the folks who made the picture have discussed it elsewhere as well. Basically, the actor was gay, played it gay, the writer wrote it as gay, even the prop guys seemed in on it, everyone but the director who to this day says he had no clue. So if we go by the director, it wasn't his intention, but everyone else on the film seemed to know and intend for it.

It's a complex topic with many layers, but in the end - it's up to the viewer. If people don't see it that way, it's totally their own interpretation and they don't have to see it. If others do, or identify themes, it doesn't mean someone else has to change their interpretation. You should hear folks who scream bloody murder when someone points out what can be interpreted as gay-themes in He-man, of all things - personally, I think like many cartoon characters he was a-sexual, but a strong argument can be made for an overly muscled man who wears nothing but a fur loin cloth and a chest accessory (which provides no armor protection) with a lack of female desire (at most he blushes and tries to escape when a female hits on him) who's best friends are a cat and two females (Teela and Sorceress). Is that looking too deeply into it? Probably. But...it's there, if one wants to see it that way.
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:16 PM   #8965
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Fans of Geoffrey Lewis here may not be aware, but he had a unique 'band' in the 80s. I first saw them on the revived Smothers Brothers Show. For it, Geoffrey would tell original stories with a couple keyboardists providing musical accompaniment. There were some exceptional pieces there. Most are still available as CDs (still so desirable, some of them, used, still are nearly the cost of new copies). The band's name was Celestial Navigations.
I worked at a duplication house back in the 80's and we had the contract for the first two Celestial Navigations-es, through K-tel, I believe. Chances are, if you listened to Geoffrey Lewis' storytelling on cassette, I made it. (And I upgraded to CD and iTunes a year or two ago!)
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Old 02-17-2014, 12:11 AM   #8966
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Enemy Mine is now sold out on SAE's website. The company still has 18 left through its Amazon seller account: link. If you want a copy, this is your last chance to grab it before shelling out to a reseller.
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Old 02-17-2014, 12:20 AM   #8967
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Only 39 left of Sinbad Eye of the Tiger at SAE, none on Amazon or tcm shop.

There are copies of Enemy Mine left at tcm shop as well as amazon.
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Old 02-17-2014, 02:11 AM   #8968
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A little bit of trivia for 'Enemy Mine' (the name can be seen in the end credits, though not the context for that name).

In the end credits, it says the Production Supervisor for the film was Dieter Meier. Dieter Meier is one-half of the extremely unique band Yello. This film would have come out right around the time the single that got them 'noticed' in the states also came out, but before it was really noticed in the US (that single being 'Oh Yeah', featured rather dramatically in 'Ferris Beuler's Day Off' which came out the year after 'Enemy Mine').

So: a little bit of fun trivia for those who have 'Enemy Mine'.
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Old 02-17-2014, 05:31 AM   #8969
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Can anyone confirm that The Eddy Duchin Story is in it's OAR of 2.55:1?

On Screen Archives website it says 2.35:1

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Old 02-17-2014, 07:45 AM   #8970
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Only 39 left of Sinbad Eye of the Tiger at SAE, none on Amazon or tcm shop.

There are copies of Enemy Mine left at tcm shop as well as amazon.
there's 10 left of enemy mine at TCM and 14 at amazon... this one is just about sold out
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:39 AM   #8971
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Enemy Mine is now sold out on SAE's website. The company still has 18 left through its Amazon seller account: link. If you want a copy, this is your last chance to grab it before shelling out to a reseller.
Well for those of us who ordered Enemy Mine back on Jan. 22nd (when there were still over 200 or 300 available) along with any of the last preorder titles, but still haven't received a shipping notice ... I'm hoping we don't have to sweat out whether we'll actually get our copy of this too. Placing an order shouldn't have to be so nerve-wracking.
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:41 AM   #8972
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there's 10 left of enemy mine at TCM and 14 at amazon... this one is just about sold out
Just about....but not yet. I was just letting people know there were still some to grab so hurry up.
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:49 AM   #8973
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Just about....but not yet. I was just letting people know there were still some to grab so hurry up.
it'll be sold out in 24 hours I'm betting. I'm watching the titles go down on amazon every hour and I doubt it will last the day
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Old 02-17-2014, 09:22 AM   #8974
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it'll be sold out in 24 hours I'm betting. I'm watching the titles go down on amazon every hour and I doubt it will last the day
Im sure, that's why I was directing people there so they could grab one before the price skyrockets.
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Old 02-17-2014, 10:43 AM   #8975
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big question now is will I get a shipping notice before the next titles go on sale Wednesday?
#SAE'Ssadsituation
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Old 02-17-2014, 01:58 PM   #8976
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Well for those of us who ordered Enemy Mine back on Jan. 22nd (when there were still over 200 or 300 available) along with any of the last preorder titles, but still haven't received a shipping notice ... I'm hoping we don't have to sweat out whether we'll actually get our copy of this too. Placing an order shouldn't have to be so nerve-wracking.
I'm in this boat and find it really nerve-wracking. Say they miscounted how many they set aside? This is just one of the problems that arises when you process orders in reverse chronological order. There's an easy solution: process orders in the order they are received!
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Old 02-17-2014, 02:28 PM   #8977
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big question now is will I get a shipping notice before the next titles go on sale Wednesday?
#SAE'Ssadsituation
Seems like this is taking much longer than usual. Maybe someone at Screen Archives quit or is ill. The weather is a factor for sure, but this seems to be something more.
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Old 02-17-2014, 02:35 PM   #8978
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looks like Amazon is sold out now too. and TCM only has 4 left
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Old 02-17-2014, 03:15 PM   #8979
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On a side note, anyone else getting sick of people losing their shit over when The Blob is coming out?
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Old 02-17-2014, 03:24 PM   #8980
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looks like Amazon is sold out now too. and TCM only has 4 left
I knew I waited too long. Dagnabit!
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